I don't know why you even bothered replying to that post, so much wrong with it.
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I don't know why you even bothered replying to that post, so much wrong with it.
Again they are stacked with Jesus, Aguero, De Bryune , Silva, Sane. None of them are even close to Messi. Can you not see the difference?
Messi is GOAT. Messi would mean Man City would get attention world wide for every match. They will increase in profile like PSG have now.
Why are you repeating the reputation-increase argument? Isn't it all about winning trophies?
Whatever. I think a lot of you just watch YouTube clips and make decisions. There is nothing wrong with my assessment.
Being rivals doesn't mean anything. He may go back to any of the top teams in La Liga. You are putting too much weight on it. That is why there are 64838383 articles talking about his moves to Real and Barca?
Also, read my post. He is better fit for possesion football. I understand that Atletico Madrid does not play that kind of football. I get it. But the only reason they don't is because they can't win by playing possession football as they don't have the players. However, as a player AG is better suited for that type of football.
Madrid and Barca would go for it. If they had to or saw a need to.
You are going to spend 100 to 200 mil this is too much money if he can't deliver on CL during a two year period. If it was 50 to 80 mil it would be a reasonable buy with some risk. The squad as of now can win EPL. Why spend on AG? It makes no sense.
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His release clause will be the same as it was this year, that has been widely documented.
If countinho is going for 100 mil plus, do you think we will get AG for less than 100 mil? It will probably be 200 mil with add ons. 200 mil plus, if we can't win CL, biggest waste of money.
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Did you read what I said? Are you aware that his release clause was 100m euros? It still is. So no, we wouldn't be paying anything like you're describing.
His release clause will be £89M in January, what is so hard to understand?
He has a £92.5m release clause from january
So you think Messi won't increase Man City's chances of winning trophies.
@Footballsaurus why is he a better fit for possession football? Please elaborate
I never said that. I was merely curious as to why you used increased club reputation as an argument instead of winning the league.
Where did footballsaurus go 
Anyway let's hope he has a good season since it's highly likely we'll sign him next summer. Has played 67 mins of league football so far this season with a staggering rating of 4.91 on whoscored.com
Sooooo... Grizemann plays well at Atletico + Atletico don't play possession football = Griezmann fits possession football?
Also, I'm not sure if you understand how a release clause works, but we won't need to be a single cent over 100 million euros because that's what the clause is. Atletico has no say in this matter.
Anyway let's hope he has a good season since it's highly likely we'll sign him next summer. Has played 67 mins of league football so far this season with a staggering rating of 4.91 on whoscored.com
They've only played one game and he got sent off.
Anyway let's hope he has a good season since it's highly likely we'll sign him next summer. Has played 67 mins of league football so far this season with a staggering rating of 4.91 on whoscored.com
Let's hope he has a bad season and that makes him want to leave, and we will sign him because we know his underlying real quality
Given where the market has gone this summer, competition to sign him will be intense. That price will be a bargain. I don't like our chances of getting him now.
Congratulations, you've outdone yourself. A truly shocking series of posts.
Which part? SI puts Neymar cost at 595k:
"The deal will reportedly pay Neymar around €30 million annually after taxes (which amounts to around $35.5 million). The deal could total around $595 million, including bonuses and his existing transfer buyout clause with Barcelona (worth around $263 million). All in all, it would be a world record fee to pay for a player."
That is a little over 200% of release clause. MU will pay more than 100 mil for AG when everything is said and done. You want to pay more than 100 mil for a player that might or might not improve the team. In the process you probably have to sell someone or two. It probably might not cost that much if you do sell but I don't think it will be a guaranteed improvement. What is shocking?
You are claiming AG is match for MU because his current team plays like MU, but so do most teams because they are not good enough to keep possesion often. I am claiming he can fit in Barca style team better. Since very few teams are Barca, it is hard to say otherwise. I don't think he will improve Barca, he will just fill a gap so that continue playing the style they are known to play. Most players will not reject playing for Real or Barca if they really wanted him. What is so shocking? Name me one player in this transfer window that would say no to those teams?
If you have a team like Man City or PSG, if you spend the amounts they are spending and you win, it's fine, but if you don't win CL or EPL (Man City) then it becomes harder and harder to justify more spending. If you pay 100 mil (200 mil at end) for AG and you don't win CL, then it is a waste of resources. What is shocking?
Are you a politician by any chance, you shift goal posts everytime someone calls you on your bs.
First you call griezmann a midget and a player who is only good in a possession based team, when people called you out on that, you started chatting bs about how while he may be playing in a non possession based team but he is good in a possession based team, how does this even make sense. So what if he is good player in a possession based setup he has proven at atletico that he can play a system much like what jose plays, add to that the small fact that for atleast 26-28 of the 38 pl games we play we will be the team dominating possession and if he is good in that setup as you put it isn't it a good thing.
Next you tell us how if coutinho will cost 100mn plus griezmann will cost 200mn or so, when people called you out on that rubbish you spin into to wages and stuff added in, for starters you never mentioned wages or any other costs during the coutinho post. Now you are just trying to act clever when you have again been called out on baseless stuff you are posting.
Then you start about how he will go to barca or real and not utd, when there have been no reliable stories about it, only time griezmann was linked to barca was after neymar' sale and dortmund acting difficult with dembele and even that came from unreliable click baits not any reliable journos same with madrid, you need to do yourself a favor and just stop, your posts are becoming more and more hilarious as you go along with your tirade.
Am I the only here who does not want Griezmann? Reasons why we should not get him:
- He is going to cost 100m. Is he worth a 100m upgrade over Mata and Mkhi? No.
- Same profile of player like Mata and Mkhi, i.e., doesn't offer genuine width,.
- Might do a Mkhi during his first year - struggle in the EPL.
- World cup year coming up. France would probably go far and he might miss out on pre-season like Pogba.
- First instinct is to receive the ball to his feet and playmake. We need players running off the ball.
- I think woodward wants him more than Jose does.
I really don't think you've watched much of Griezmann. At his best he's superior to Mata and Mkhitryan. He's a completely different player to them both and isn't a conventional playmaker by any means and he's known for movement and goalscoring.
He might not offer width which is understandable as he plays behind the striker as a SS, he's not a winger.
His first instinct isn't to receive the ball into his feet at all. He's one of the best players in the world at working the channels, if anything it's his movement off the ball that he's renowned for. He plays very well off another striker who can hold the ball up etc. for him as his movement is phenomenal at his best.
He might come and struggle in his first season, that much is true. That can be said for just about any player in football though. Every transfer has some risk involved.
I'm not disputing that he isn't superior that Mata and Mkhi. I'm asking whether is worth to splash 100m for him? Is he worth paying that sum? In my opinion, no.
I honestly think we do not need anymore SS type of players. We have Mata, Mkhi, Rashford and some might say Martial.
I've watch him play for France. Working the channels only happens when you aren't pegging your opponent back. He might be superb if we are playing on the counter in the big games but I think we would be spending more time trying to break down an opponent this season.
So he's reached the level of arguably the third best player in the world while playing for a team that doesn't fit his playstyle.
Ok.
While I'm sure that he could do equally well while playing possession football (which is good, since we will normally have most possession against most teams), he has proven ability to do very well in a more counter-attacking style. The ability to do both to a high level, no matter which he might (or might not) be slightly better at, is just another reason he'd be a great option for us.
Great reply. I was reading this guys posts and you've just pretty much summed up my reply on his posts.
A player like AG would definitely be better suited for Europe for us...a bit like what Mikhi was last year. Even if it takes him a year to get used to the PL, he definitely wouldn't need that time when playing in the CL.
We do have a lot of players in his position, granted but I believe we do miss the guile of an AG. Also, he's so hard to track as a defender as he's constantly on the move...which we need to break down the "2 banks of four" we will come across most weeks.
The issue with Griezmann for me is not whether he is good enough but it is one of competition. He had the opportunity to come this year, and hasn't, most people are saying this is because of the Atleti ban, I am not so sure. If that was all that was stopping us why don't we have an agreement for him to come in January or next year (anyone who thinks we would be hiding this for some reason is deluded). I suspect that he decided not to come initially because of the ban, but he has then seen how things have developed at PSG and Barca.
I can't see him leaving in January, as that would leave Atleti in a bad position, so it will be next year, and that means we will face competition from Barca, Real, PSG, Bayern, City, etc especially if the price is 100m. PSG could offer huge wages to Griezmann outside our range, Barca are Barca and I am sure he would love to play with Messi, Suarez and Dembele, the others also have attractions and then we have us.
Griezmann if he really does love Atleti may also agree to sign a new contract so that Atleti get an even bigger sum of money, after all why wouldn't he? He would get a bigger pay packet as a reward, plus he helps Atleti in the transfer market. I can't see us being the winner in either a 100m clause fight (due to options), or in a straight out best offer fight (City and PSG will blow us away)
I can't see him leaving in January, as that would leave Atleti in a bad position, so it will be next year, and that means we will face competition from Barca, Real, PSG, Bayern, City, etc especially if the price is 100m. PSG could offer huge wages to Griezmann outside our range, Barca are Barca and I am sure he would love to play with Messi, Suarez and Dembele, the others also have attractions and then we have us.
Griezmann if he really does love Atleti may also agree to sign a new contract so that Atleti get an even bigger sum of money, after all why wouldn't he? He would get a bigger pay packet as a reward, plus he helps Atleti in the transfer market. I can't see us being the winner in either a 100m clause fight (due to options), or in a straight out best offer fight (City and PSG will blow us away)
Don't think it will be possible with a transfer to United after all that's been said on the caf after missing out on him during the summer.
We had an agreement with Real for them to purchase Ronaldo in 2009 and I'm fairly sure it was rather hidden throughout media.
I'm not saying we have an agreement or not, but these things can be hidden. Correct me if I'm wrong re: Ronaldo.
He is going to cost €100m because that will be his release clause next year. There is nothing extra to it, we would have to pay him wages anyway and they are not included in the transfer fee (they are not included in Coutinho's fee either). We cannot pay more than €100m fee for him even though you are trying very hard to prove we can.
1. What @BigCaine said lol. You can't keep jumping argument to argument to justify or make up for what you initially said and then just repeat that cycle when said argument is shot down and move on to another theory. Doesn't work that way.
2. What do you mean "200 mil at end"? AG's release clause has stayed the same throughout at €100M. All that changed was he signed an extension which got him a pay raise for his loyalty to AM. Everyone and their dog knows full well he was on his way to United but stayed due to the ban in hopes of not leaving Atletico in a disadvantageous position.
3. So you're saying whoever pays €100M for AG or a player and doesn't win the CL was a waste of resources? I hope you understand there's only one CL winner each year lol. PSG dished out €222M for Neymar, Barca €105M for Dembele (€147M with add-ons). PSG are on the verge of buying Mbappe as well for another €140M and Barca are still kicking tires on Coutinho who they're offering to purchase for €150M. According to your logic, if one of PSG/Barca win the CL, then the other wasted their resources because they "[didn't] win CL". How about if neither win the CL; did they both waste their resources since they both paid €100M+ for a player(s) and still lost? United paid €105M (£89M) for Pogba, if they don't win the CL this year either does that also mean it's a waste? How about the latest addition of Lukaku as well. He was bought for €82M (£75M) which is close enough to €100M, is he also a waste if we don't win?
...if you say no to any of those, then it's also not a waste for Griezmann who's well worth it in comparison to those other crazy fees. At just €100M, his eventual purchase will look like a bargain just as Pogba's was as the market keeps inflating and prices keep rising for lesser players than him. And if you say yes, then you're just delusional and have a very bizarre logic to jump to such conclusions - pretty much saying any team buying a player for €100M+ has to win the CL to justify the buy. Just look at how crazy and silly that sounds.
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No, his release clause changed to 200m this summer, and will move back to 100m in January.
Nope, it's a misconception and Atletico's president even confirmed it didn't change.
https://www.google.ca/amp/www.goal....act-release-clause/1vwu6853z4vyh1k7l7uor854q7
It never went up, was pretty clear he only got a pay raise with the release clause staying the same. Don't get where the '€200M to €100M in Jan' notion really came from. I think it was sky sports that just spew it out but I wouldn't take what they say for gospel hahah
It is unless your club in completely irrelevant. City are a tier below all top clubs regardless of their recent success.
Size does have some relevance in the EPL, BUT it isn't the be all and end all.
Kante was last year's player of the year and I think AG is at least as tall as him. Kante is "physical", though.
EPL tested is absolutely relevant.
I remember Fergie buying a lot of EPL tested players. In fact, he would spend a lot of money on buying EPL tested players, breaking British transfer records, rather than buy a cheaper foreigner. The one time he spent big on a foreigner (Veron), he wasn't so great. And more recently, Di Maria. Being EPL tested is definitely worth paying extra for, as foriegn players can struggle to adapt to life in England and the playing style of EPL.
In support of your argument though, AG is not some "unknown" and should at least do reasonably well in the EPL.
I just don't see him joining us. He is at a club he clearly loves (even money could not lure him away) and I think he'll remain there for a good few years.
I wasn't overly keen on him but at 100m he is a steal given prevailing prices. One of the few players out there who really has an X-factor about him which could take us from PL to CL challengers.
I genuinely don't get this, do you mind explaining? Like why won't it be possible and what's been said on the caf?
From what I understand we didn't "miss" out on him. He would be a United player right now if it weren't for the CAS ruling and you have to respect such rare loyalty from a player to club in this modern era of football. Don't get why the United fans would hold that against him if that's what you're saying was said on the caf (like I said, I really don't know). He didn't reject us, just prolonged the move in good will to Atletico which is something you have to appreciate.
...and a side note, tbh it ended up being a massive win-win for both sides (United & Griezmann) anyways. Allowed us to get Lukaku who we probably wouldn't have been able to acquire if we got Griezmann in the first place. And in doing so, surely has cemented any doubt AG might have had in joining a rebuilding/transitioning United side which more or less could have been struggling as the previous few years. There's certainty we're on the uprise now and it should go a long ways in a potential AG move knowing we're definitely heading in the right direction and are truly in the competitive phase. And like I said, it's a transition and something which Griezmann would join and grow with along with the rest of the new core - would fit right in
Absolute steal no other way to put it, as Pogba was.
Just look at these ridiculous fees. Griezmann like Neymar is a top10 player in world football at this very instant and majority of people will agree with that sentiment. Griezmann will cost more than 50% less than what he want for lol. Dembele gone for €147M, not a top10 player. Sure he has the potential to maybe reach that one day but he's not a top10 player as of yet and same thing with Mbappe who's set for a €140M move himself. Barca ready to dish out €150M for Coutinho, certainly not a top10 player. Griezmann with his release clause is as good as it'll get - €100M, top10 player.
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