On the contrary - money is paramount. We pay higher transfer fees and higher weekly wages than all clubs spare a couple of one offs like Ronaldo, Messi, Bale etc. If a player like Griezmann makes 112k/week and we offer his club 85m and the player 250k/wk the transfer will always happen.
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On the contrary - money is paramount. We pay higher transfer fees and higher weekly wages than all clubs spare a couple of one offs like Ronaldo, Messi, Bale etc. If a player like Griezmann makes 112k/week and we offer his club 85m and the player 250k/wk the transfer will always happen.
Please come, we need you. A7G
Every large city has good and bad neighbourhoods. People who call it that have probably never been there. If it was a huge shithole it wouldn't have some of the most expensive real estate in the US. Think of it as East and West London equivalent.
We need someone like him desperately.
Manchester as a City to live in or LA mmmmm. Every city has shithole places, but would sooner be in the sunshine in the better parts of LA than any city in England
Performances like today's will surely endear us to him, definitely a done deal now...
I'm sceptical about any transfer now. Every single purchase we have made since RvP has been underwhelming to some degree. Whether it's complete shite like Depay or ever so slightly like Blind.
Really?
I'd argue that Mata, Mkhitaryan, Bailly, Herrera, Martial, Romero and Blind can all be seen as fairly objective successes. That's not including Zlatan either since I'm guessing you used the word "purchase" in order to exclude him.
Mata is fairplay yeah. Romero too. As for the others they haven't settled/haven't been as good as was hoped when we bought them. Zlatan you can't argue with his scoring record so fairplay I'll exclude him.
Were we hoping for very much from Martial or Blind? As far as I remember the signing of Martial was met with bewilderment as he was practically unheard of to a lot of posters. Martial's impressive first season stood out all the more because of this, our expectations were nonexistent because we didn't know what we were getting. Any expectations we had were based on the size of the fee alone, which he quickly justified.
As for Blind I seem to remember the consensus on here being one of inevitability and dismay. We all sort of knew Van Gaal would bring Blind with him after the world cup, but no one was really excited about his signing when it happened. The fact he then went on to demonstrate a large amount of intelligence and versatility in a short amount of time here meant he pleasantly surprised a lot of posters who considered him arguably our best piece of business that summer. Again, he couldn't help but exceed expectations because there weren't really any. You could argue the same for Bailly. He's come in and done an excellent job, but I don't think many knew what to expect when he signed for us.
Herrera is only recently showing the kind of form and consistency that made us giddy when we signed him, I will agree. It's taken him a while but he's a key player for us now. I remember being delighted when we signed him after his showing against us for Athletic Club in 2012, so it's great that he's finally started to meet the expectations we had for him in 2014.
With Martial, because he was an unknown quantity he surprised a few people. The second season you could look at it 2 ways. Is he predictable that most of the time defences now know how to play him, or is it 2nd season syndrome, and he will come good again? The same could be said about Rashford. Mata has been the best signing post fergie, pre jose. The rest have been up and down. Not one has set the world on fire though. Will we sign Griezmann? I dont think he will come.
Someone was wondering in the matchday thread if we're the worst run "big" club in terms of on field activities and I have to agree. I don't know if it's just poor signings or just the pressure to play for a club like United but we've spent a feck tonne and have nothing to show for it. And now apparently we need to spend £100m+ in the summer just to stay still, with the teams around us always improving. Our transfer strategy has not been brilliant. I think we could get help with that by appointing a DoF to work alongside Mourinho. The Galactico policy especially has not paid off with the likes of Di Maria, Schweinsteiger, Falcao and Pogba all being extremely disappointing. Luckily Zlatan turned out okay.
Yes.
100% money is the main factor for any transfer.
In fact, I would argue that it is 90% of any players decision. With trophy potential, prestige, etc making up the remaining 10%
Yes, to be fair LA area has some seriously nice places, e.g. Malibu which would be pricey even for footballers.
I would note that most United players live in the Cheshire countryside which is beautiful and has, for example, some of the best private schools in the world.
Obviously, the London lifestyle for a millionaire footballer is unparalleled in Europe really. I would say only Barcelona and Paris have similar to offer.
Di Maria was great until he decided not wanting to play for us. No one could have foresaw that so I would put that down as a coincidence. Think of what we could do with him playing on the left for us right now.
Schweinsteiger was bought to be a leader and offer experience to the team. I mean I don't think anyone thought a 31 year old playing only 28 games prior season and having just won the World Cup would suddenly have the drive and energy become a key player for us. Had he not been injured, I would consider what he did for us as good enough.
Falcao was definitely a disappointment, but it was also a loan. I don't think he was ever brought over to be an essential player in our plan that season.
Pogba however is for sure a key player purchase who is expected to be one of our most important player in the coming years. So far he has been decent, I wouldn't go as far to say a failure. He also didn't lit the league on fire, which many expected a 89m player would. But I don't think that's fair, he's a CM, not striker or winger. Just look at the West Brom game, without him our attacking players look like headless chickens, each trying to do their own cheeky passes, wonder goals or poorly executed crosses. I think Pogba have gotten a lot of unfair criticism just like Carrick did a few years back when people see him side pass and think that's all he does for the team. After our key players from SAF era are gone, we all see him as essential. Not saying they have the same role, but I'm saying their importance to the team is not always obvious to those that don't play or study the sport.
However I do agree many of our acquisitions have been poor. Particularly we've been buying average players for too long. Since SAF last few years we bought the likes of Young, Butner, Fellaini, Blind, Rojo, Darmian, Jones, Smalling, etc. Many of those while aren't terrible, yet we desperately needed better. So I don't think the big names we bought were poor, rather the other transfers we got were poor. That I think is the bigger culprit to our poor results since Moyes. The fact that we bought Martial - a teenage striker, just to play him as a winger shown how poor some of these transfers are. With RVP, Rooney, Falcao, and Zlatan, Martial were never going to get to play as striker and he's unfortunately not a winger either. He can't cross, he hasn't got the best dribble, he's not a great passer with great vision, and he's not going to fashion much chances for others because of that. Right now all he does is side pass or try forcing his way into the box. While useful, it's too one dimensional and slow. Furthermore, we're forced to shove him to the flanks because we do want to play him, but we have no where else to put him. Rashford is suffering the same problem and so far this season neither of them have actually fit into our system and offer the team what we really needed on the pitch. I don't know what Jose's plans are for next season, but if we are going to keep Martial and Rashford, and genuinely want to play them because they have potential, we need to play a formation that can fit both Zlatan and Martial/Rashford in it. Otherwise they're just going to be backups for Zlatan, Mata, Mhki, and potentially Griezzmann or similar caliber player. Which is fine by the way. But that's my whole point. It's not that our galactico signings haven't pay off, but that we don't have enough of them and are actually fielding too many average players around the few that we got.
I agree.
My concern with players we are being linked with is that it feels as though we expect one or two players to make a difference every time we go shopping. But the issue seems to be more with our fundamental style of play - we never look like we have too many ideas. It's like we are expecting Martial or whoever to create magic to unlock a defense - if they are not able to, then we just pass the ball wide then back again praying for something to present itself.
We desperately need world class attackers.
I don't think the board and Mourinho could reasaonbly ask for better conditions for signing a players as good as Griezmann as he has surrounding him.
The buyout clause is very fair.
I don't think the board and Mourinho could reasaonbly ask for better conditions for signing a players as good as Griezmann as he has surrounding him.
The buyout clause is very fair.
Simon Stone of BBC saying we keen to get this deal over the line.
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Antoine Griezmann to United is a deal I would say Manchester United are keen to get over the line. But the question is, do Manchester United need to qualify for the Champions League if they want to attract names like Antoine Griezmann to the club?
Jose Mourinho is a big enough name to attract big name players and yes, they managed to persuade Paul Pogba, but he had history and ties to Manchester United, he knw the area and the club.
Will Griezmann come to Manchester United with no Champions League football? That's something we will only see pan out over the next four or five weeks.
Sounds non committal. Covering all bases.
Where did he say this? Cant see anything on his twitter
Looks like there's quite a few after him. I don't see Barca or Madrid as options though, he won't get much game time at Barca and Atletico will hardly sell him to Real.
Chelsea seem focused on buying 2 strikers, with Lukaku and Sanchez named. City are a viable option to be fair.
I do think we are the most logical destination. Let's get this one over the line.
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind he is coming to us.
City and Chelsea the cnuts
Vidal flashbacks...
We can outbid them all!
There's no outbidding. Pay the release clause.
Maybe he meant in terms of our offer to the player itself (bonus, image rights and salary).
He put us first and with a hashtag, we are favourites
In terms of wages etc.
Logically, he only comes if we get champions league. He just said today he sees himself staying next year at atleti. I think either it will be athleticp's decision to sell him or he does not want to burn any bridges before the summer.
He could go to chelsea with costa constantly wanting/rumoured to move. He wont go to arse, wont go to liverpool or PSG. City i am not sure about? they need defensive re-enforcements but i am pretty sure they will want to smash the world record fee with pep at the helm and griezmann is top5 in the world. Barca aint got no money and madrid wont get him especiall if they take Hernandez from athletico against their wishes. It will also make him the ultimate traitor for atleti fans.
If we get CL i am very certain he will come. He is inspired by bekham and to play for beckham's team wearing his number will hold an appeal that money just cant buy.
He could go to chelsea with costa constantly wanting/rumoured to move. He wont go to arse, wont go to liverpool or PSG. City i am not sure about? they need defensive re-enforcements but i am pretty sure they will want to smash the world record fee with pep at the helm and griezmann is top5 in the world. Barca aint got no money and madrid wont get him especiall if they take Hernandez from athletico against their wishes. It will also make him the ultimate traitor for atleti fans.
If we get CL i am very certain he will come. He is inspired by bekham and to play for beckham's team wearing his number will hold an appeal that money just cant buy.
Here is me pouring some cold water over your hopes while lighting up a ittle spark in your heart.
He'd be a perfect Costa replacement but I think he's already one foot in Manchester. Think he'll be José's Fabregas or Costa type signing where you guys buy him very quickly in the summer.
I think I would cry if you manage to sign both of Sanchez and Griezmann.
I can see the Beckham/7 thing being used as a reason to join Real over us if that makes sense.
Beckham had 23 there. It dont make sense. It would ruin his fans and he will bw forever a traitor. It will be difficult especially if hernandez moves to real.
Maybe he'll go to Barca for £86M and they'll flog us Neymar for double that.
Think he's staying at Atleti, seems to have a solid for Simeone
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"Always are the same questions, I am sick of it. I have said many times that I see myself here, and about Madrid? , is the BBC"
He's hardly going to say otherwise, is he?
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