Not sure anything was well documented but my quote is verbatim. The rest is just a matter of opinion of which I disagree with....
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Not sure anything was well documented but my quote is verbatim. The rest is just a matter of opinion of which I disagree with....
Heh, Di Marzio is quite good with his replies.
If we have pulled out of the Griezmann race then there must be another fish in the net, Mbappe is probably that fish I'm guessing. Would prefer Griezmann as Mbappe might struggle at first in the Premier League.
Wasn't confirmed, he went on record that Thiago was a brilliant player. Wasn't until after Moyes was sacked and his PR machine was in full flow that Giggs somehow got the blame for this. Thiago signed for BM just 5 days after Giggs became player/coach. Perhaps if Moyes hadn't started the job by going on holiday he'd have had time to scout one of the brightest young talents in the game.
It was a very odd situation, it seemed literally everyone knew how good Thiago was except the people involved with our club.
That's partly why, a year later, it seemed opportunistic that United (and you basically don't get more United than Giggs) was to blame, rather than dithering Dave. The "if only my player/coach had allowed me to sign Thiago (who probably wanted to learn from the great David Moyes) instead of Fellani then we would have won everything" line... so it's all someone else's fault... etc. etc. etc. Same sort of stuff we've heard ever since.
We are buying both.
Believe.
Believe.
There's people wanting lukaku more than Griezmann?
Griezmann has got to be our number one target. At this stage he is in the top 5 attacking players in the world. He would lift us up a level on his own.
I can't.
I think our club new a lot about him since Sir Alex had been tracking him for about 3 years before that but didn't want to pay the buyout which was 90mil at the time.
Even remember him scoring a cracker against us in pre season when the stories were rife that SAF was going to sign him. Dave turned his attention to Cesc and failed and lost out on Thiago.
Pep had to convince the Bayern board that they needed Thiago as they weren't convinced as they felt like they had enough quality in the team.
Bayern if they want to spend 90 mil can easily do so. I don't know why people don't think they can't. Their buisness model is similar to ours and they are a powerhouse. They agreed to pay the 60 mil for Sanches an 18 hr old with 6 months of football. They paid 42 mil for Martinez years ago. If they want Griezmann they can afford Griezmann. Neymars dad was in talks with Bayern about a move so if that is true I'm guessing they wouldn't sweat 90mil.
Lukaku vs Griezmann. Completly different players but for our needs then Lukaku would clearly be the better player. I'd rather Dybala over Griezmann anyway.
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Hopefully it's not one of these deals that fail "only" because we fail to qualify for CL (if we do so). Generally, I have a very good feeling about this whole saga. Much better than the whole Pogba-thing, to be honest.
Bayern can afford, but they don't want to break their strict wage structure. Having Griezmann would mean open the floodgate & potential having more players demanding top wage. Kroos left due to Bayern refused to accept his wage raise request. There ain't no 200k euro per week players in their teams. Their best paid players are only at 160k euro per week last time I saw report about their wage bill.
Don't think that's correct. Lahm, muller, ribery etc are on 200k+ I believe. Even gotze was on that much.
Götze earned 12 million a year in 2013, so Lewandowski is probably earning 15 now.
Kroos was offered 8 million a year, the same that Müller got during that time. He wanted to earn more, Rummenigge didn't think he was worth more so they sold him.
Griezmann isn't going to Bayern though, never going to happen.
Kroos was offered 8 million a year, the same that Müller got during that time. He wanted to earn more, Rummenigge didn't think he was worth more so they sold him.
Griezmann isn't going to Bayern though, never going to happen.
I've read quite a few posts from your good self believing that we will sign player x. Are you ITK? I'm not trying to come across aggressive etc!
Fair point, though it was quite obvious Thiago wasn't going to go for his release clause as he was unsettled and wanted to leave. It was just complacency and/or stupidity on our part tbh. I refuse to believe even David fecking Moyes could be so daft to turn his nose at Thiago.
He went for Cesc tho. At the time Cesc was flying. Personally I would have gone for Thiago but can certainly see why if he felt like he could have gotten Cesc why he would go for it.
That whole transfer window was a mess for Dave. He even said he never intended for Fellaini to be the first signing. I don't even really think he wanted Fellaini. Think he just panicked when it became clear he wasn't going to get his targets. I mean he tried to sign Bale and Cesc. It's not like he was going after small fries.
Yep - this.
He dithered and ended up in the bargain bin. To add insult to injury the bin is more apt than the bargain in that phrase.
I remember that summer well as I recall saying to myself we should have just bought the whole Spanish under 21 midfield. Thiago,Illarmedi, Isco then maybe thrown Strootmann. Dave's big mistake was either paying the team left behind by SAF too much respect or just not realising it needed heavy investment. The players were there for him and he had enough time to plan what he wanted to do in the summer. He could have organised it from his holiday. I think Ed's inexperience played a huge part also but now Ed is a wrecking machine. He'd probably have Levy quaking in his boots
I remember that summer well as I recall saying to myself we should have just bought the whole Spanish under 21 midfield. Thiago,Illarmedi, Isco then maybe thrown Strootmann. Dave's big mistake was either paying the team left behind by SAF too much respect or just not realising it needed heavy investment. The players were there for him and he had enough time to plan what he wanted to do in the summer. He could have organised it from his holiday. I think Ed's inexperience played a huge part also but now Ed is a wrecking machine. He'd probably have Levy quaking in his boots
Off topic but he was in a no win situation - the side had certainly reached "the end" by the time he got it, but obviously Ed/Glazers and the public at large still went with the narrative "We won the title, so not much needed"
He was a clown, but things did conspire against him in that sense.
Didnt Hoeness say Bayern want to decrease their transfer spending? By buying Griezmann for 100m Euros?
I dont believe Bayern would spend 100m on one player, unless they sell someone for top money.
I dont believe Bayern would spend 100m on one player, unless they sell someone for top money.
I think that comment was related to the changes in the youth system and the new facilities and so on, he wants more youth products in the first team and rely less on big money transfers.Didnt Hoeness say Bayern want to decrease their transfer spending? By buying Griezmann for 100m Euros?
I dont believe Bayern would spend 100m on one player, unless they sell someone for top money.
Definitely not.
The only two players I've said I think we will sign are Griezmann and Mbappe.
I am very confident on Griezmann simply because all the conditions look good to me. He would not say no. Of that, I am certain. I am not certain he is a target for us but one would expect so.
Mbappe - I'm just speculating.
I certainly think Woody would allocate the budget needed to sign both.
Are people really shitting their pants at the sight of Bayern? Have you no trust in Woodie after last summer's window? Griezmann is as good as ours, with or without CL. Go buy that #7 shirt.
You think Woody would spend 200m on two offensive players? Thats mental, even for Woody. We need to spend the money more wisely, our team lacks balance. Adding 2 attacking players wont change that. I dont think we will spend more than 200m in the whole summer anyway, so i think that scenario is hugely unlikely. Even if we look at sales, we dont know which players will be moved on. Rooney could still be here next season for all we know.
Nah, I think that they have several players who are on 200k/week or more. In addition, they are filthy rich and considering that it isn't a private company, they cannot get dividends, so they have to do something with all that money they have. Transfers and wages seem the only thing they can spend the money, they surely don't require a new stadium and likely have the best marketing structure in football, in addition to relatively cheap tickets.
I agree, I think Griezmann is nailed on.
Mbappe we may be forced to move for because of other teams or we risk the possibility of missing out. He seems like a once in a generation type talent to me, and it'll come down to where he wants to move to. I don't think he'll stay at Monaco this summer, it would be good for him if he did however. So whether we get him is another question.
You are correct. The likes of Lewandowski and Müller are rumored to be on €15m p.a. which translates to around £250k/week. They spent on their new youth academy which will open this year.
The question is if they want to spend. Not if they can, because they do.
I think they want to spend. It would be either spending or putting money on the bank. They are rich, they have an amazing structure in every level (stadium, academy, marketing), they don't have owners who can get dividends, tickets aren't expensive, and their wage isn't very high compared to their revenue. They have to do something with their money.
They don't have owners but haven't they sold shares for sponsorship deals? Do they not pay dividends on that?
I think that the club still owns more than 50% of shares, and so they don't vote to pay dividends. Some of our German Caftards can help us. @Balu
The football department is separated from the original club, 25% of the football department are sold, 8.33% to each of Addidas, Allianz and Audi. The remaining 75% still belong to the actual club. And yes we pay dividends to the owners, I think it was 12 million total last year. 9 million went back into the original club and 1 million to each of the 3 companies holding 8.33% .
Overall it's not that much and doesn't impact our transfer budget.
Good stuff. I admire the mupperty. It's going to be an intriguing summer King.
What's @Acquire Me saying to it? Any latest developments a la Griezmann, Mbappe or anyone else?
Apparently Pogba has been assuring him about the weather not being bad....ffs this wont end well!
This will happen.
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