While I still have some concerns about how we fit him into the team in a way that allows us to get the best out of both him and Pogba, I think he's probably too good to pass up on. Would be fantastic to get this done early.
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Well if a player doesn't care about CL football / team playing well then the only other thing he's likely to care about is money. I'd rather have a player with high standards than a mercenary.
Yeah Kante looks like a real mercenary. Couldn't give a shit.
Think you're misunderstanding me. I'm saying I don't have a problem with a player having high standards, which could be CL-only team, could be team he believes will win trophies in the future, whatever. I don't think there's anything to suggest Kante didn't care about the standard of team he was moving to.
Im not saying all of them, not all of Dortmunds, Juventus, PSG's players want to move either. But have you ever seen such a player at Barcelona, Real or Bayern move. A superstar, no conflict or contract conflict whatsoever. Wont even be surprised if Pogba is next.
Robben Moved from Madrid to Bayern, Luis Figo Moved from Barcelona to Madrid.
Pogba and Griezmann will work fine.
We are only 1 injury away from Pogba/Ibra for him to be absolutely fine even in the worst circumstances. You sign players like this if you get the chance.
We are only 1 injury away from Pogba/Ibra for him to be absolutely fine even in the worst circumstances. You sign players like this if you get the chance.
Wanting to come to be part of great club like United, help turn their team around, leading them back to the Champions League and Premier League glory, under one of the most succesfull managers of all time, becoming a club legend.....nah, that seems like a hard sell.....
I honestly doubt players care about the 'project' and doubtful future prospects like that. We might return to our former glory, or we might end up like Liverpool. Plus by the time we get back to the top, who knows how many years may have passed and where the player's career might be at that time?
How does Griezmann and Zlatan fit in the same team? Should Griezman play on the wing, or behind Zlatan?
No he didn't. Guardiola was furious with bayern for selling him. Guardiola considered him his most important player. Kroos left them for money
Kroos started 24 games in Bundesliga and that;s more than any midfielder except Muller but then again Muller is attacking midfielder.
He also started in all but 1 game in CL.
He started in all German cup games, Club world cup, super cups.
Only Dante, Neuer, Lahm, Alaba played more mins than Kroos in 2013-14 season. So he was the player with most mins in midfield.
Interesting question. I haven't been able to find any statistics that would paint that picture I'm afraid.
You don't have to. Kroos was starter and only Lahn, Dante, Neuer played more mins than him that season. He was the midfielder with most starts, mins, appearances.
Only because Schweinsteiger, Thiago, and Martinez were injured an awful lot that season, he basically played most because he was most fit. He got subbed off more often than he liked and this resulted in a lot of frustration from him. youtube.com/watch?v=R00uPJ6sxBk
Then played an excellent world cup and Bayern couldnt do too much either.
Robben was forced out after Real Madrids spending spree in 2009, after buying Ronaldo and Kaka, they told him be could leave. Figo's case is exactly I was saying, contract conflict. He heard Litmanen earned more, tried to use Real to get a higher wage and eventually he did. No player at these clubs who are still the star player and without any conflict or bad situation will choose to leave.
Kroos left bayern for money, Figo left barcelona for money and because the barca board at the time were weasels, robben was forced out by florentino(wanted to stay and pellegrini wanted to keep him, too. Same thing with sneijder)
Robben didn't "want" to join Bayern - more like he was told he surplus to requirements at Real.
Hew asn't subbed more often, even when he was he was off after 80 mins.
Also in CL he started in all but 1 game and he was subbed out only 2 times. In German cup he started all games and was subbed out only 2 times, both times he played 80+ mins.
Kross was regular even the season before that but was injured from CL QF stage.
Predictable potential transfer. Reminds me of the Zlatan one last year, where it was no surprise it would go through once Mourinho was appointed
It's only a red flag if he doesn't look at the context though, and really even if we do scrape in he must know that this team isn't going to suddenly be a CL contender next season, so any player looking at joining United has to surely be looking long term.
My take is that Spurs and Liverpool might well beat us to top 4 this year, but if you are a player looking to win a PL title and be a serious contender in the CL, we are the better bet IMO over the long haul. I can only see CL as a deciding factor in not joining United if a player is going to Barca, Bayern, Real, juve or indeed staying at Atleti.
There is a difference between caring about playing in the CL and caring about actually being a contender for domestic and European titles, and you have to look beyond a singular season to gauge that.
I get what you're saying but we haven't been competing for major honors in 4 seasons now. Of course as United fans we're hopeful that will change soon but as a foreign player, I could definitely understand someone being wary of joining us for that reason.
Personally I'd be delighted if we get him, whatever his attitude towards CL football.
I just think they have to look at United as a total and not just where we are right now. Anyone with sense and good advisors would recognize how horribly the club has been ran since Fergie retired and how overstuffed with mediocrity the squad had gotten before Jose came in and started the long process of removing the average and adding the caliber needed. I can understand him not coming here if he's staying with Simeone at Atleti or heading to Europe's elite, but beyond that I don't think CL should be a game changer when signing a 5 season deal.
According to whoscored.com we give up the least amount of shots in the league per game so apparently I was wrong. Maybe it's the lack of continuity or knowledge that one slip up back there could mean lost points because of the lack of attacking production that's causing these nervy moments from the back four.
What a strange post. He loves Atletico. Don't think he spends time at home praying he had gone to Real Madrid.
We just haven't undone the damage to the players mentality that david moyes did. If he doesn't join then its down to the damage that moyes did
He already said that he liked Madrid,years ago in the radio(although Simeone also did when was at Sevilla).
Since the deal Madrid-Atleti seems unbreakable his only option is Barcelona or England.
He looks happy but at some point Atlético will be too small for him.
I agree that we are a good bet in he 'long haul'. I disagree that a world class player in his prime at 26 should be more concerned with the long haul than he immediate.
Even if the immediate is just a a club that makes up the numbers in the CL?
Well that is not his choice is it? Here is no 'United or Leicester flaming City' debate going on. It is United and struggle to qualify for CL, or not go to U tied. He's currently at a side that made the final twice in 3 years. He could just stay. He probably wants to take the next step in his career. Our best pitch is the next step for his 'brand'.
I'd be glad if he signed, but I just strongly disagree with the implication that he's making some sort of mindless decision by not joining us due to concerns about where the team is.
I'm all for blaming moyes for everything in general but to blame him for tony g not signing ? Come on.I already said though that I could see the CL argument if he's staying put or going to one of the 4 clubs I listed, but the idea of CL being all conquering is what I disagree with.
This is the exact formation I'd like to see. We'd need width from the fullbacks though, and although Valencia has the whole right side locked down. Shaw still needs to show he can do it too. I hope he can.
Or may be the players know that neither of Dortmund and Atl Madrid have enough ambition to win trophies compared to Manchester United. Mkhytaryan had won nothing with Dortmund. Griezmann also had won nothing with Atl Madrid. While United had won something recently even if they are just Mickey Mouse trophies and we also show the world that we have very high ambition, we want to win something and back to the glory days by spending a lot of money to get top players. A manager like Jose Mourinho who has great CV also offer another power to attract top players.
They are quoting MEN.
Atleti have came extremely close to winning the Champions league twice in the past few years alone, whilst we've only qualified for it once in the past few years.
We have ambition but we've come up short constantly post SAF. We are going in the right direction with Jose but you could understand some players being reluctant.
It's indeed still hard to predict if he can fits into our team. His best position is a second striker. But he can also play as a centre forward or main striker, number 10 and wingers.
If Zlatan leaves the club, that means we have an open position for him to play as a main striker or centre forward which is the closest role to his best position.
If Zlatan stays then we can either play him behind Zlatan or wide as an inside forward.
Here how i think we can fit him in assume that Zlatan is staying with us next season.
433 or 343
Back four
Pogba Herrera Mkhytaryan/new mid
Griezmann Zlatan Martial/Mkhy
Back five
Pogba Herrera
Griezmann Zlatan Martial/Mkhy
4231
Back four
Pogba Herrera
Mkhytaryan Griezmann Martial
Zlatan
Something about his comments regarding needing to feel good about weather and life in England puts me off a bit. Would hate to bring in another Di Maria like softie.
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