Antoine Griezmann

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I've gone cold on the idea of Griezmann. Lately I've just had the feeling it wouldn't work out.

I think United need a Summer of getting less high profile players and getting players we actually need. I still think the defense should be our main priority
 
I honestly think that he might regret going to Atletico in the first place. Now he can't go to Real without being seen as the biggest traitor since Figo.

Honestly, if he was playing anywhere but Atletico, he'd be nailed on for Madrid by now. He's incredibly good (certainly better than Benzema nowadays), and also quite handsome, which is something that Perez likes.
 
I've gone cold on the idea of Griezmann. Lately I've just had the feeling it wouldn't work out.

I think United need a Summer of getting less high profile players and getting players we actually need. I still think the defense should be our main priority

Bit confused here. Our defence, although sometimes performs a little unorthodox - holds one of the best records in the league and we have conceded only 23 goals in the league this season, which is only two more than Chelsea and Spurs who have the best record of 21.

Also could be expanded on the fact that our midfielders don't chip in with enough goals either - they should be contributing a lot more too.

It's extremely clear to me that our problems and main priorities this coming transfer window is our attackers - and most importantly - goalscorers. We have scored the same amount of goals as Bournemouth in the league this season and it's embarrassing considering we create more than enough chances most games to win comfortably.

All in all, Griezmann would be a good addition regardless because he's naturally very good at putting the ball in the back of the net when he gets the chance.
 
I'd like him here but these are not good reasons.
1) there are many top players around. What matters is how well they fit in the team
2) Zlatan Pogba and Griezman come nowhere near MSN or even RBB
3) Being a fan doesn't mean much in professional decisions.

That's why I mentionned ' in marketing terms', and not in football terms
 
I've gone cold on the idea of Griezmann. Lately I've just had the feeling it wouldn't work out.

I think United need a Summer of getting less high profile players and getting players we actually need. I still think the defense should be our main priority

- 3rd best defence in the league, 2 goals behind the best despite no full time left back.
- 7th best attack (level with Bournemouth), 19 goals behind the best, relying on a 35yo

Yep we should absolutely focus on the defence, that's the source of our problems :wenger:
 
we have conceded only 23 goals in the league this season, which is only two more than Chelsea and Spurs who have the best record of 21.

- 3rd best defence in the league, 2 goals behind the best despite no full time left back.
- 7th best attack (level with Bournemouth), 19 goals behind the best, relying on a 35yo

Yep we should absolutely focus on the defence, that's the source of our problems :wenger:

Nah I don't buy that at all. Bailly is the only CB we have that would have a chance of getting into other top teams. Smalling, Jones & Rojo wouldn't even come close.

Also consider that if Jose had better defenders, we'd also feel more freedom to attack and score more goals. Rather than trying to pretect Smalling, Jones and co at 1-0 and putting all the men behind the ball

You're welcome to your opinions but I definitely think I'm right about this. If you asked Jose off the record what he wanted to strengthen more, he'd say the defense
 
Nah I don't buy that at all. Bailly is the only CB we have that would have a chance of getting into other top teams. Smalling, Jones & Rojo wouldn't even come close.

Also consider that if Jose had better defenders, we'd also feel more freedom to attack and score more goals. Rather than trying to pretect Smalling, Jones and co at 1-0 and putting all the men behind the ball

You're welcome to your opinions but I definitely think I'm right about this. If you asked Jose off the record what he wanted to strengthen more, he'd say the defense

We create countless chances, attacking isn't our problem. However, just as more proof:



This is from the official Premier League website. 'Big Chances Missed' and we are top of the table by a long mile. Our problems clearly lie with our attack mate.

Also, your point about sticking men behind the ball to 'protect Smalling and Jones' is utter dribble to be honest. Jose has been doing that for years - and with much better defences!
 
Nah I don't buy that at all. Bailly is the only CB we have that would have a chance of getting into other top teams. Smalling, Jones & Rojo wouldn't even come close.

Also consider that if Jose had better defenders, we'd also feel more freedom to attack and score more goals. Rather than trying to pretect Smalling, Jones and co at 1-0 and putting all the men behind the ball

You're welcome to your opinions but I definitely think I'm right about this. If you asked Jose off the record what he wanted to strengthen more, he'd say the defense

I think you are wrong. Defense is robust; its the attack where we are malfunctioning. We are creating chances but cannot seem to finish them. We could really do with a Van Niestelroy.
 
Bailly is the only CB we have that would have a chance of getting into other top teams. Smalling, Jones & Rojo wouldn't even come close.
Depends how you define top team. There are top teams with pretty shitty CBs out there..Barcelona, Sevilla, Liverpool, AS Rom (apart from Manolas), Dortmund (apart from Sokratis)..we are not absolute top bracket regarding CBs - like we used to be -, but definitely not bad compared to some other top teams
 
I'm not saying Griezmann is making this demand, but if he could be swayed from coming to this great club based on whether we get CL or not then he's not truly wanting to play for United, I doubt Jose would have anything to do with that, same as Fergie would have fecked him off.
 
I'm not saying Griezmann is making this demand, but if he could be swayed from coming to this great club based on whether we get CL or not then he's not truly wanting to play for United, I doubt Jose would have anything to do with that, same as Fergie would have fecked him off.

I think people need to get over this way of thinking. We are not the only big club in the world. Ultimately, Griezmann must put his career first, and even if he would like to play for United, it should be on terms that work for where he wants his own career to go. He's clearly a CL level player, and rightly feels his club should be at that level.
 
I'm not saying Griezmann is making this demand, but if he could be swayed from coming to this great club based on whether we get CL or not then he's not truly wanting to play for United, I doubt Jose would have anything to do with that, same as Fergie would have fecked him off.
I rather he be swayed by ambition like CL than just shit loads of money.
 
I think people need to get over this way of thinking. We are not the only big club in the world. Ultimately, Griezmann must put his career first, and even if he would like to play for United, it should be on terms that work for where he wants his own career to go. He's clearly a CL level player, and rightly feels his club should be at that level.

I rather he be swayed by ambition like CL than just shit loads of money.

If he or any other player doesn't see the bigger picture of United I'd be quite happy for them feck off, if they are basically going to keep us hanging until they know whether we are in the CL then I'd rather not bother, this was Alexis Sanchez way of thinking and look where it got him.
 
If he or any other player doesn't see the bigger picture of United I'd be quite happy for them feck off, if they are basically going to keep us hanging until they know whether we are in the CL then I'd rather not bother, this was Alexis Sanchez way of thinking and look where it got him.

So Alexis Sanchez would have been better off being a United player the last two years? Because we have more twitter followers?

What exactly is the bigger picture? Us not making the CL hasn't proved to be a one-off. We've made it once in the last 3 seasons and are currently outside the top 4 again, at the end of March.
 
If he or any other player doesn't see the bigger picture of United I'd be quite happy for them feck off, if they are basically going to keep us hanging until they know whether we are in the CL then I'd rather not bother, this was Alexis Sanchez way of thinking and look where it got him.
God forbid the third best player in Europe isn't so keen on Thursday road trips to Rostov or Genk.
 
So Alexis Sanchez would have been better off being a United player the last two years? Because we have more twitter followers?

What exactly is the bigger picture? Us not making the CL hasn't proved to be a one-off. We've made it once in the last 3 seasons and are currently outside the top 4 again, at the end of March.

If he'd have been at United we'd have made the CL in both of LvG's seasons and wouldn't be floating around 6th this season, he's gotten nothing but an ulcer playing for Arsenal.

God forbid the third best player in Europe isn't so keen on Thursday road trips to Rostov or Genk.

That's fine, he can go somewhere that will guarentee it every year, you come to the PL and there are no guarentee's.
 
If he or any other player doesn't see the bigger picture of United I'd be quite happy for them feck off, if they are basically going to keep us hanging until they know whether we are in the CL then I'd rather not bother, this was Alexis Sanchez way of thinking and look where it got him.
Bigger picture? You've got me all excited. Is our team about to go places or something?
 
If he'd have been at United we'd have made the CL in both of LvG's seasons and wouldn't be floating around 6th this season, he's gotten nothing but an ulcer playing for Arsenal.
How do you know that? Any player as good as Griezmann currently is within his rights to postulate terms before joining. Like others have said we aren't the only 'big club' around and we certainly haven't shown enough quality within the last 3 seasons to prove we have enough going for us to just ride on our name.
 
- 3rd best defence in the league, 2 goals behind the best despite no full time left back.
- 7th best attack (level with Bournemouth), 19 goals behind the best, relying on a 35yo

Yep we should absolutely focus on the defence, that's the source of our problems :wenger:

Where would you guess we rank in chances surrendered? It does feel like we give up a lot of scoring opportunities so the defensive numbers could be deceiving on account of having a droid in goal.
 
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I'm not saying Griezmann is making this demand, but if he could be swayed from coming to this great club based on whether we get CL or not then he's not truly wanting to play for United, I doubt Jose would have anything to do with that, same as Fergie would have fecked him off.
Rejecting a player like Griezmann because he wants to play in the CL is stupid
 
Bigger picture? You've got me all excited. Is our team about to go places or something?

No, I just firmly believe that any player that doesn't see more in joining United than whether we are in the CL that season is not the type we want.

How do you know that? Any player as good as Griezmann currently is within his rights to postulate terms before joining. Like others have said we aren't the only 'big club' around and we certainly haven't shown enough quality within the last 3 seasons to prove we have enough going for us to just ride on our name.

We've been short of firepower two seasons in a row, we missed out last year on goal difference, I think Sanchez is a difference maker and would have been the difference for us. Griezmann is within is rights, as would United be in not wanting to bother with a player whose view on United is so short sighted.
 
Rejecting a player like Griezmann because he wants to play in the CL is stupid

I don't think so, if his interest in playing for us hinges solely on whether we are are in the CL that season when he signs means he's really not that bothered about playing for us.
 
I don't think so, if his interest in playing for us hinges solely on whether we are are in the CL that season when he signs means he's really not that bothered about playing for us.
So he probably wants to win the CL, not a bad thing in my book
 
So he probably wants to win the CL, not a bad thing in my book

There's no guarentee of winning the CL, logically right now unless you are going to Barca, Bayern or Real your chances are slim anyway, to me when you choose your club you have to be looking at it beyond a single season.
 
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