Antoine Griezmann

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shamans said:
I think you're not understanding my point. In terms of selection, Mata will be an option just like Lingard is right now and I don't think Mata will be happy being an option just like him. Which is why I originally said he'd probably want to leave.
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Not so sure. Not many players (unless virtually no game time) would want to leave OT. I'm biased obviously, but where better to play your football in a team that's surely going places. The team spirit seems to be there and having endured fallow times, you'd think players would want to be part of the good (or great) times ahead. We'll see but I don't see him leaving any time soon.
 
Lawman said:
Would love to have the quality of Mata on the bench. If we had Martial Zlatan Griezman and Mykytarin all playing I could see Mata being a real threat to one of their places as he is quality but Lingard isn't and never will be imo in that bracket.
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Pretty much all the players are squad players and accept being rotated. I'm sure Mata would see plenty of game time, and could easily be selected in preference to the marquee names depending on form, opponent and tactics etc etc. He seems happy here, so obviously that helps.
 
notcool said:
Is that us being bad finishers or us not creating good enough chances for our players to score from? If you look at Chelsea's (who are top of the chance conversion table) chances they look a lot more clear cut than ours. Against Leicester, Mata and Mkhitaryan had very promising chances and scored. I'm not sure we've had chances like that all season.
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We rank even lower on the table for "big chance conversion".
 
Nanook said:
He laughed after he said it 0:30

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Thanks. We can put this to bed. Cerezo is clearly being cheeky/joking when he says this, and even goes on to list many star players he's lost, such as Forlan, Torres, Diego Costa, and something along the lines of "y ahora la de Griezmann, cual es la proxima?" (And now the departure of Griezmann, what will the next one be?). He definitely seems resigned to losing him.

Does Cerezo think United is a small club? Obviously not. Does he realistically think he can keep Griezmann? No.
 
SwansonsTache said:
That and the increased exposure and marketability.

Tbf I would rather still have a pull even if it not directly related to sporting success than not have any.

It is the difference between ending up with Pogba, Zlatan and Bailly as opposed to Wijnaldaum, Origi and Klavan.
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Brutal
 
shamans said:
I think you're not understanding my point. In terms of selection, Mata will be an option just like Lingard is right now and I don't think Mata will be happy being an option just like him. Which is why I originally said he'd probably want to leave.
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Ok but I don't think he'd ever have Lingard status I think he'd probably get enough game time to keep him happy as he looks happy just now. Plus Mata has the ability to stay in the starting 11 if firing where I never feel that with Lingard.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Godin is very good but Savic is average. He just looks better as he's in a strong defensive team. Wasn't exactly a star in Italy either.
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Yeah. Bailly would look excellent next to Godin. Clear everything.

I think Pogba would play on the left in the 4-4-2, coming in and leaving Filipe Luis space to overlap (and Conte seemed to prefer Pogba wider) with Mkhitaryan on the right and Griezmann and Ibra up top.

Against the great teams with high lines, Simeone might start Griezmann and Mkhitaryan (or even Martial or Rashford (who has a lot of what Torres brings them but is faster and more dangerous) up top) and use Saul or Koke wide with Gabi into the team and Ibra the main option off the bench. Or play 4-1-4-1 with Saul holding, Koke and Pogba at CM and Griezmann, Mkhitaryan and a 3rd attacker, across the front 3 in some combination, as he goes to that formation as a plan B at times. Likely Ibra up top on that scenario.
 
If we don't act swiftly we risk losing Griezmann.

Other teams are interested in him.
 
NoPace said:
Yeah. Bailly would look excellent next to Godin. Clear everything.

...I think Pogba would play on the left in the 4-4-2, coming in and leaving Filipe Luis space to overlap ...
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I reckon he could play in goal, too. He's pretty tall, after all. Would just need the right rush-goalie at centre-half to give him license to attack.
 
Acquire Me said:
We will probably get CL. That said, we are a bigger club than Chelsea. We are the most famous club in the world.
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This is what I've been trying to tell people. We're the Kim Kardashian of footballing clubs. Albeit, it's arguable our rear offers considerably much less protection than hers.
 
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jungledrums said:
Our football does not match our mammoth status, but he's got a point. Have you got something more to add than 'Oh dear'?
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His statement was the most famous club in the world, and that simply isn't true.

Real Madrid are, and I can't see how anyone can logically argue against that. We are a unquestionably a huge club, and one of the biggest but to state we are more 'famous' than Real is fanciful at best.
 
SammyUnited_83 said:
His statement was the most famous club in the world, and that simply isn't true.

Real Madrid are, and I can't see how anyone can logically argue against that. We are a unquestionably a huge club, and one of the biggest but to state we are more 'famous' than Real is fanciful at best.
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United are more popular than Real In many countries.
 
SammyUnited_83 said:
His statement was the most famous club in the world, and that simply isn't true.

Real Madrid are, and I can't see how anyone can logically argue against that. We are a unquestionably a huge club, and one of the biggest but to state we are more 'famous' than Real is fanciful at best.
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I doubt you're right. If you were to ask everyone on earth if they'd heard of Manchester United and if they'd heard of Real Madrid, United would be comfortably more well known.
 
Adnan said:
United are more popular than Real In many countries.
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I'm not denying that, but it doesn't mean we are the most famous.

The 2 need to be separated, historically speaking, and with their standing in football, Madrid are no1 and I can't see that changing.
 
Pass and Move said:
I doubt you're right. If you were to ask everyone on earth if they'd heard of Manchester United and if they'd heard of Real Madrid, United would be comfortably more well known.
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As I have said, I'm not denying that.

Yet, what would the answer be if you asked most footballers / pundits. At the peak of our powers, playing amazing football, reaching CL finals and winning titles - we still lost our best player to them. In fact he pretty much demanded a move there.
 
SammyUnited_83 said:
I'm not denying that, but it doesn't mean we are the most famous.

The 2 need to be separated, historically speaking, and with their standing in football, Madrid are no1 and I can't see that changing.
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Real are the most decorated, there is no doubt about that. But if we are taking the most famous to mean the most popular then there certainly is an argument to be had between United and Real.

In footballing terms, I personally understand 'famous' to mean an accumulation of both popularity and footballing success, so I would agree that Real are top.
 
United are by far the most popular team in Asia and America, and the likes of Australia. We also sell 30% more shirts globally than Madrid.

'Oh dear', silly comment. At best they're close. They're obviously more successful though.
 
How can you determine most famous? Anyone in football knows who United are, as they would do for Madrid, Barca, Bayern, Arsenal etc. Surely their fame is equal.
 
SammyUnited_83 said:
His statement was the most famous club in the world, and that simply isn't true.

Real Madrid are, and I can't see how anyone can logically argue against that. We are a unquestionably a huge club, and one of the biggest but to state we are more 'famous' than Real is fanciful at best.
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SammyUnited_83 said:
As I have said, I'm not denying that.

Yet, what would the answer be if you asked most footballers / pundits. At the peak of our powers, playing amazing football, reaching CL finals and winning titles - we still lost our best player to them. In fact he pretty much demanded a move there.
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You seem to be contradicting yourself. Fame has nothing to do with pundits, success or fan base. It's purely a measure of notoriety, and by that measure United are unquestionably the most famous. I'd rather have the success than the fame though.
 
Pass and Move said:
You seem to be contradicting yourself. Fame has nothing to do with pundits, success or fan base. It's purely a measure of notoriety, and by that measure United are unquestionably the most famous. I'd rather have the success than the fame though.
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Yes, but you can only gain notoriety from the things you have mentioned.

I agree as a club we probably do have the most supporters in Asia / Worldwide, and we probably are the richest club (yippee). But within the football world, taking all things into consideration Real (and to some extent Barcelona) are completely different animal(s).

Pretty much any player would go there, if given the choice.
 
SammyUnited_83 said:
Yes, but you can only gain notoriety from the things you have mentioned.

I agree as a club we probably do have the most supporters in Asia / Worldwide, and we probably are the richest club (yippee). But within the football world, taking all things into consideration Real (and to some extent Barcelona) are completely different animal(s).

Pretty much any player would go there, if given the choice.
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Madrid and Barca are irrelevant anyway in the context of which the point was made. If it's between us and Chelsea, we would win. I'm sure we would have got Hazard if we'd have just paid the damn agent fees at the time. Costly miss that given what he's done since and is worth now.
 
SammyUnited_83 said:
His statement was the most famous club in the world, and that simply isn't true.

Real Madrid are, and I can't see how anyone can logically argue against that. We are a unquestionably a huge club, and one of the biggest but to state we are more 'famous' than Real is fanciful at best.
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We are. To say we are more successful or have more pulling power is untrue, but one thing we are is more well known globally. In Asia, America, Africa, Scandinavia.
 
SammyUnited_83 said:
Yes, but you can only gain notoriety from the things you have mentioned.

I agree as a club we probably do have the most supporters in Asia / Worldwide, and we probably are the richest club (yippee). But within the football world, taking all things into consideration Real (and to some extent Barcelona) are completely different animal(s).

Pretty much any player would go there, if given the choice.
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You're quite right about attractiveness of Real and Barca over us to many players, but that's not got a bearing on which is the most famous club in the world. Donald Trump is more famous than Rachael Riley, but I know where I'd rather spend my time.
 
septic said:
Madrid and Barca are irrelevant anyway in the context of which the point was made. If it's between us and Chelsea, we would win. I'm sure we would have got Hazard if we'd have just paid the damn agent fees at the time. Costly miss that given what he's done since and is worth now.
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Acquire Me said: ↑
We will probably get CL. That said, we are a bigger club than Chelsea. We are the most famous club in the world.

I'm not saying we aren't bigger than Chelsea, see the statement above, 'We are the most famous club in the world' how are Barcelona and Madrid irrelevant?
 
Rado_N said:
Why do you keep ignoring the various examples of the players who came when we didn't have CL?

Perhaps because it doesn't suit your nonsense narrative?
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SammyUnited_83 said:
Why do people ignore players that we have missed out on due to not being in the CL.

Posters keep are banging on about this being a done deal, yet if we don't finish in the CL and someone like Chelsea goes in for him, then I wouldn't assume we are favourites.
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Please provide the list of players we have "missed out on" due to not being in the CL and the sources of direct quotes from players or agents.
 
Lawman said:
Ok but I don't think he'd ever have Lingard status I think he'd probably get enough game time to keep him happy as he looks happy just now. Plus Mata has the ability to stay in the starting 11 if firing where I never feel that with Lingard.
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I don't get why people are so quick to try and push lingard out the door. The lad is local, a quality squad player who does a good job when he comes on. We need a big strong squad to compete and he deserves to stay. We will never have 22 world class players - that just doesn't happen as you'd never keep them happy.
 
golden_blunder said:
I don't get why people are so quick to try and push lingard out the door. The lad is local, a quality squad player who does a good job when he comes on. We need a big strong squad to compete and he deserves to stay. We will never have 22 world class players - that just doesn't happen as you'd never keep them happy.
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He's a million miles away from world class, so why do you assume anyone who doesn't want Lingard at the club must want a world class player to replace him? There are loads of players who aren't world class that would be a big upgrade on him. I don't understand why the term "squad player" has suddenly become synonymous with average/crap player, as if it's fine to have a massive drop in quality after the starting XI.
 
RedFish said:
Not so sure. Not many players (unless virtually no game time) would want to leave OT. I'm biased obviously, but where better to play your football in a team that's surely going places. The team spirit seems to be there and having endured fallow times, you'd think players would want to be part of the good (or great) times ahead. We'll see but I don't see him leaving any time soon.
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I think you're being heavily biased. If Mata doesn't get enough game time he will obviously leave. As it stands you can say "surely going places" about any of the top 6 premier league teams. There is never a guarantee for "great times ahead" either.

I am not being a pessimist but just saying Mata (and all professional players) don't think about their careers in terms of how us fans would. The want maximum football, money and trophies.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
He's a million miles away from world class, so why do you assume anyone who doesn't want Lingard at the club must want a world class player to replace him? There are loads of players who aren't world class that would be a big upgrade on him. I don't understand why the term "squad player" has suddenly become synonymous with average/crap player, as if it's fine to have a massive drop in quality after the starting XI.
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Massive drop? I don't think so.

The likes of O'Shea, Phil Neville etc were the backbone of title winning sides
 
AndyJ1985 said:
He's a million miles away from world class, so why do you assume anyone who doesn't want Lingard at the club must want a world class player to replace him? There are loads of players who aren't world class that would be a big upgrade on him. I don't understand why the term "squad player" has suddenly become synonymous with average/crap player, as if it's fine to have a massive drop in quality after the starting XI.
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Spot on I'd rather have Mata as back up than Lingard. Yes if they are home grown even better but not just home grown and a big drop in ability level.
As I said give me Mata all day long over Lingard @golden_blunder.
 
golden_blunder said:
Massive drop? I don't think so.

The likes of O'Shea, Phil Neville etc were the backbone of title winning sides
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No the were not they were fillers and were stoppers also they were never the backbone they were guys who helped our world class attacking prowess by filling in and being wholehearted. Right now we don't have that quality in attack and having a guy like Lingard in those positions limits us.
 
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