Yep, hard to argue with this. But I am based mostly on last season, because I haven't seen Atletico much this season.
What has happened to Gimenez? He was arguably the best young CB in the world in the last two seasons.
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What has happened to Gimenez? He was arguably the best young CB in the world in the last two seasons.
You sound like a bible salesman.
Do think you could make a case for Valencia but apart from that I'd say it's spot on, they also have Oblak too who's no slouch.
I think we agree that de Gea, Zlatan and Miki would get into Atletico's team. If Atletico played in a 3 man midfield, Pogba would easily get into it aswell, but given that they don't it could be argued whether he'd get in over Saul, Koke or Gabi there. Same could be said about Carrick with Gabi. Martial has been struggling the same way Shaw has this season as Mourinho drops them too consistently to give them any chance of proving themselves. Martial has proven, even this season, that he is better than Rashford on the wing and Mourinho stuck with Darmian at LB even though he was average at best throughout his spell in the first team. With that said, Filipe Luis would get over Shaw, based on what's happened this season, but I'd personally take Martial over Carrasco on the left wing. Valencia has been one of our best players this season and it's a close call between him and Juanfran. Godin is a starter, but Bailly would get game time switching with Savic and Gimenez.
So that would for me be 3 United players definitely starting for Atletico, with 4/5 other players potentially also getting into the team. So on paper imo the number of players that could get into either team looks pretty even to me.
Add Miki to that list too.
I think it's completely cut and dried:
If Mourinho wants him, we will get him.
I think he probably does. So I fully expect him to be the no 7 next season.
If Mourinho wants him, we will get him.
I think he probably does. So I fully expect him to be the no 7 next season.
Absolute utter nonsense.
He will go first and foremost where the money is right. Combined with commercial, the income he would make here will be unparalleled.
Secondly, United are more prestigous than any of the other possible options.
It's quite clear Mourinho is building a team that will challenge for everything in the next couple of years too.
CL qualification this year is not a factor whatsoever. He will be signing a five year deal.
Ridiculous statement. He is twice the player Rashford is.
He was out of favour at the start of the season. Once he was brought back in the side he got a pretty bad thigh injury, his season has been stop-start since. Just last week he got the very same thigh injury.
Griezmann with that hair and those eyebrows look like he could audition for a mob movie.
You keep telling yourself that.
There are numerous examples of players turning us down when we had CL, so I'm not getting giddy putting him in fantasy line ups just yet.
Edit. 'where the money is right' - great yet another mercenary.
I'd suggest Gabi instead of Saul, Rojo ahead of Savic (based on form alone), and Valencia possibly in ahead of Juanfran. I like Gameiro too but it's difficult to oust Ibra. Pogba isn't exactly pulling up trees either but would walk into their team based on ability and reputation.
He would do better staying at Atletico.
For him I imagine it's a choice of stay and compete for titles, or move to United and build something potentially great
For him I imagine it's a choice of stay and compete for titles, or move to United and build something potentially great
Individually I think most of our players are more talented than those in the Atletico squad, however as we know Atletico are more than the sum of their parts and most of our players would individually struggle to displace them I think. Going the other way, other than Griezmann over Mata, I'm not sure I'd take any Atletico players for our team. Possibly Koke.
Even with the abilities of Godin et al, When we're dominating territory and our defence is pressing up to the half way line, I love the pace of Shaw, Smalling and Valencia to mitigate the risks of a counter.
Why do you keep ignoring the various examples of the players who came when we didn't have CL?
Perhaps because it doesn't suit your nonsense narrative?
Or move to one of the numerous other clubs who would presumably be interested in him if he wanted out (PSG, City, Chelsea, Bayern, Arsenal).
Miki has said as much in interviews that he couldn't turn down United. The shirt means a lot to some players. Granted that to some players the CL is more important but we get the feeling that Greizmann is of the former opinion.
Not to take away anything from Rashford and how hugely talented he is but yeah currently Carrasco is indeed twice the player Rashford is, how can someone even begin to compare the 2?
As much as I love Rashford, that statement is very wrong
It's not even close to be honest.Rashford has no clue how to dribble.
If we had a better squad than Atletico, we'd be sitting comfortably on top of the PL table.
We most certainly wouldn't.
I wasn't talking about wages as I don't really care about that. Was considering our formation. Some of our top players will cease to get enough game time and will wanna go.
Is that not already happening with Rooney though? What if we play a 4231 with Zlatan leading the line and Mykytarin Griezman and Martial against most teams at OT and then 433 against tougher away opposition. Do you not think there will be enough game time to keep guys happy? Not sure what do you think?
Why do people ignore players that we have missed out on due to not being in the CL.
Posters keep are banging on about this being a done deal, yet if we don't finish in the CL and someone like Chelsea goes in for him, then I wouldn't assume we are favourites.
Exactly.
We will probably get CL. That said, we are a bigger club than Chelsea. We are the most famous club in the world.
In terms of trophies maybe, but we'll double his salary or more, and he'd have an even higher profile.
You're the one saying it absolutely won't happen just for that reason, choosing to ignore the multiple examples of why it's wrong.
This is your main pull...
Why Aguero and Yaya signed for City is obvious, as is the qualities they brought to their team. Why care about why Griezmann or other top players come to us if it's not to be a stepping stone?
Honestly, of the choice is between Messi, because he wants $$$$ or Milner, you'd take Messi for cash in a heartbeat.
Honestly, of the choice is between Messi, because he wants $$$$ or Milner, you'd take Messi for cash in a heartbeat.
To my point, that would leave Mata and put him in the same selection bracket as Lingard
Who have we missed out on?
That and the increased exposure and marketability.
Tbf I would rather still have a pull even if it not directly related to sporting success than not have any.
It is the difference between ending up with Pogba, Zlatan and Bailly as opposed to Wijnaldaum, Origi and Klavan.
Completely agree. Nothing wrong with that at all, and lets be honest, the prospect of trophies isnt exactly non-existant. With the team you have Griezmann could take you there.
Would love to have the quality of Mata on the bench. If we had Martial Zlatan Griezman and Mykytarin all playing I could see Mata being a real threat to one of their places as he is quality but Lingard isn't and never will be imo in that bracket.
I think you're not understanding my point. In terms of selection, Mata will be an option just like Lingard is right now and I don't think Mata will be happy being an option just like him. Which is why I originally said he'd probably want to leave.
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