Antoine Griezmann

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Celestiale said:
Wouldn't be so sure. But possible. In other teams? Not so much..in "all Premier league sides"? Not by far...those 4 are actually exactly situated, where we have weakspots in our squad (apart from Griez). Other teams in the PL don't have weakspots in those positions..
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Godin is a better CB than and more accomplished than any of ours, we have a LB problem so Luiz fits in and Koke is one of the best MF's in world football. As much as I love Ander, Koke is an upgrade on him.

Griezmann, well no explanation needed considering we want to sign him.
 
VanGaalEra said:
Yeah all 4 walk into our squad tbh.
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Celestiale said:
Wouldn't be so sure. But possible. In other teams? Not so much..in "all Premier league sides"? Not by far...those 4 are actually exactly situated, where we have weakspots in our squad (apart from Griez). Other teams in the PL don't have weakspots in those positions..
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Luiz played for Chelsea, you probably don't remember as he couldn't get a game.
 
VanGaalEra said:
I do remember, Azpi was preferred to him. So because he couldn't get a game for Chelsea, he's no better than Darmian/Blind/Rojo or Shaw at LB?
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Sorry the original comment was that those players would walk into any team in the league.

I'm not sure that he would get into our team, in his own words:-

“Speaking about Mourinho is always controversial and there’s always some intrigue surrounding him, but he is an awesome coach who tries to take the maximum from each and every one of his players.

“I think that’s one of the reasons why he loses the dressing room sometimes. He asks so much of his players that some can’t handle it for too long. In my case, we got along very well and he helped me when I wanted to rejoin Atletico. He’s a very good coach. It’s just a pity I wasn’t able to convince him that I should start for Chelsea.”
 
VanGaalEra said:
Godin is a better CB than and more accomplished than any of ours, we have a LB problem so Luiz fits in and Koke is one of the best MF's in world football. As much as I love Ander, Koke is an upgrade on him.

Griezmann, well no explanation needed considering we want to sign him.
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Listen, in their current Atletico form they would probably start for us. But quite often players can't take over their form in a transfer. So while i agree that all 4 could start for our club, it's far from a certainty that they actually would, if they moved here (i think for Griezmann and Koke it would be pretty certain though). We already had players with a higher profile that couldn't get in our team...
 
Celestiale said:
Listen, in their current Atletico form they would probably start for us. But quite often players can't take over their form in a transfer. So while i agree that all 4 could start for our club, it's far from a certainty that they actually would, if they moved here (i think for Griezmann and Koke it would be pretty certain though). We already had players with a higher profile that couldn't get in our team...
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Can as yourself the opposite question: how many United players would get into the Athletics Madrid team? Not many I would argue.
 
Celestiale said:
Not really. You would have said the same about Ibrahimovic, Mata, Micky..all were known for finishing off their chances quite well...it's rather a mentality thing in the club, no proof that Griezmann wouldn't fall to the same decease..
Tbh, i hope that the conversion rate becomes "normal" again, before Griezmann joins us..this season! Otherwise top4 will be a hard task
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Ibra has never been recognised as a particularly prolific striker throughout his career, before he joined PSG he'd managed over 20 goals just twice in twelve seasons. Neither Miki/Mata have finishing as their strongest asset, not even close.
 
hellohello said:
Can as yourself the opposite question: how many United players would get into the Athletics Madrid team? Not many I would argue.
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De Gea, Valencia, Bailly, Pogba, Micky, Martial, Ibra..Rashford is also better then Carrasco, who is a regular starter. Carrick and Gabi are pretty similar in class, age and style...i would prefer Carrick though for his superior passing. Mata would also get into their team. Pretty much any of our senior squad attacking players are better then theirs bar Griezmann. Of course they couldn't get into the first 11 all at once, but everyone of them would get in himself.
 
EyeInTheSky said:
What a fecking finish. How we could do with that at the club. I have no doubt he would be the best finisher at the club
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I'm more impressed with the touch, that's a fast pass close into his body and he kills it dead, setting it up for an easy shot. Many strikers wouldn't have got that under control so easily.
 
Celestiale said:
De Gea, Valencia, Bailly, Pogba, Micky, Martial, Ibra..Rashford is also better then Carrasco, who is a regular starter. Carrick and Gabi are pretty similar in class, age and style...i would prefer Carrick though for his superior passing. Mata would also get into their team. Pretty much any of our senior squad attacking players are better then theirs bar Griezmann. Of course they couldn't get into the first 11 all at once, but everyone of them would get in himself.
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Rashford is not better than Carrasco, not currently at least.
 
Take Griezmann out of the Atletico team and put him in ours, then we're the better team in my opinion.

Surely that's more relevant, although these 'why would he leave a better team' comments tend to be bonkers given how quickly that can change.
 
We'll see how small this team is after we sign their best player...
 
Adam-Utd said:
I'm more impressed with the touch, that's a fast pass close into his body and he kills it dead, setting it up for an easy shot. Many strikers wouldn't have got that under control so easily.
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They are both vital aspects that compliment each other. As close to a complete striker as you can get. That pass was so exquisite in its weight and spin you can even see the spin of the ball it wasn't just "get it in an area".
 
Celestiale said:
With his pace, dribbling, and good runs in space and the tactics Atletico plays he would probably shred La Liga apart
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I'd hardly call Rashford a decent dribbler. He quite often gets tackled on the left... Carrasco > Rashford
 
Celestiale said:
De Gea, Valencia, Bailly, Pogba, Micky, Martial, Ibra..Rashford is also better then Carrasco, who is a regular starter. Carrick and Gabi are pretty similar in class, age and style...i would prefer Carrick though for his superior passing. Mata would also get into their team. Pretty much any of our senior squad attacking players are better then theirs bar Griezmann. Of course they couldn't get into the first 11 all at once, but everyone of them would get in himself.
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Not even close, Rashford's a fraction of the player Carrasco is.
 
I wonder if we're watching the same games. For me Martial has been average, Rashford drifts in and out of games, and hasn't shown any end product. Pogba has shown glimpses, but not been a consistent great midfielder. Bailly might have 'potential' but as with Shaw, this doesn't guarantee anything. Valencia is good, and Mhiki, DeGea and Zlatan are class players IMO

The idea that 8/9 players would walk into the Atletico team sounds bizarre to me. If so Mourinho must be severely underachieving.
 
Raoul said:
What if we added a vowel to his name.
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Wouldn't change anything, just like when people say if Jesse was called Lingardinho people would rate him higher. Objectively Rashford isn't nearly as good as Carrasco righht now, he's also a few years younger so no need for the comparison as they are in different stages of development.
 
goin4glory said:
Of course he would make a huge difference right now don't be ridiculous. Our biggest failure this season has been scoring goals we're 18th in the league for chance conversion and Griezmanns biggest asset is his finishing, it's why this is a transfer rumour I firmly believe is true and likely to happen this summer.
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Is that us being bad finishers or us not creating good enough chances for our players to score from? If you look at Chelsea's (who are top of the chance conversion table) chances they look a lot more clear cut than ours. Against Leicester, Mata and Mkhitaryan had very promising chances and scored. I'm not sure we've had chances like that all season.
 
Celestiale said:
De Gea, Valencia, Bailly, Pogba, Micky, Martial, Ibra..Rashford is also better then Carrasco, who is a regular starter. Carrick and Gabi are pretty similar in class, age and style...i would prefer Carrick though for his superior passing. Mata would also get into their team. Pretty much any of our senior squad attacking players are better then theirs bar Griezmann. Of course they couldn't get into the first 11 all at once, but everyone of them would get in himself.
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De Gea
Juanfran Godin Savic Luis
Koke Saúl Pogba
Griezmann Zlatan Mkhitaryan
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Don't think Bailly has done enough yet to get ahead of these 2, perhaps Carrasco ahead of Mkhitaryan due to his overall season but I think Mkhitaryan is the better player, 7 Atletico players for me.
 
Celestiale said:
De Gea, Valencia, Bailly, Pogba, Micky, Martial, Ibra..Rashford is also better then Carrasco, who is a regular starter. Carrick and Gabi are pretty similar in class, age and style...i would prefer Carrick though for his superior passing. Mata would also get into their team. Pretty much any of our senior squad attacking players are better then theirs bar Griezmann. Of course they couldn't get into the first 11 all at once, but everyone of them would get in himself.
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Funny post. No way is Rashford better then Carrasco and it's debatable how many players would fit their system. Mata wouldn't: he's too weak and can't press. Ibra wouldn't fit their pressing style either.
 
MyOnlySolskjaer said:
De Gea
Juanfran Godin Savic Luis
Koke Saúl Pogba
Griezmann Zlatan Mkhitaryan
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Don't think Bailly has done enough yet to get ahead of these 2, perhaps Carrasco ahead of Mkhitaryan due to his overall season but I think Mkhitaryan is the better player, 7 Atletico players for me.
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Godin is very good but Savic is average. He just looks better as he's in a strong defensive team. Wasn't exactly a star in Italy either.
 
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