Martial has got to give himself a shake and also improve his off the ball movement. Rashford is too young to lead the line for United week in week out for me. He's a very exciting prospect but blows to hot and cold as you'd expect right now.
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Martial has got to give himself a shake and also improve his off the ball movement. Rashford is too young to lead the line for United week in week out for me. He's a very exciting prospect but blows to hot and cold as you'd expect right now.
Just got robbed.
Exactly. Maybe for players in their 30s one extra season of CL football could have some importance (and even for Zlatan it played no part) but for a 26-year old, who easily has 5-6 years left at top level, a year without Champions League is really nothing.
The man can finish.
Nice assist.
What on Earth is Umtiti doing there? He fell asleep completely.
He's got the instincts of a no.9. The finishing to go with it too.
He decides games, that goal was onside and that assist was a peach of a ball. What we've been lacking all season, someone who just wins games consistently.
Great assist. On a more important note though. He better gets a haircut that hippie.
Proving to be a big game player, exactly what we need when Ibrahimovic tends to fade a bit in big games.
Think it suits him tbh.
Finally has some world class locks for his world class ability.http://www.marca.com/en/football/spanish-football/2017/02/07/589a32fee2704e266d8b45f9.html
He's coming, isn't he?
He's coming, isn't he?http://www.marca.com/en/football/spanish-football/2017/02/07/589a32fee2704e266d8b45f9.html
What? Quite an odd thing to say from a supposed professional
That small club is the biggest in the world in terms of revenue etc.Reminds me of Forlan with that hair
At Madrid are far better than us at the moment, but to say we're a small team is just being salty
That small team is going to activate the release clause in Griezmanns contract that he values so highly
Seeing the itw it seems like it was intended as sarcasm ...
At Madrid are far better than us at the moment, but to say we're a small team is just being salty
Are they though? They're 4th in a less competitive league. They are reliant on Griezmann. When he wasn't performing earlier on in the season they were struggling.
Is this even a debate? We're sixth in the our league, we've not won the league in a while and they reached the finals of the CL twice in 3 seasons.
Over the past 3 seasons they've been 100% better. This season it's closer though they'd be favorites. They haven't been as good this season as their previous standards under Simeone.
If they lose Griezmann to us this summer I'll be very interested to see how they'd reinvest the money to replenish the squad.
His first touch is so slick, reminds me of Solskjaer the speed with which he sets up a chance and goes for goal. Really hope we get him.
Judging by that comment I'd say so, he's either salty over the transfer or how much money we have as they're struggling atm, or both.http://www.marca.com/en/football/spanish-football/2017/02/07/589a32fee2704e266d8b45f9.html
Past 3 seasons isn't even a debate, but currently, it's very debatable who is better imo.
I don't think I've ever seen him kick a football. Not a single highlight.
EDIT: Oh actually I saw a few of his goals at the Euros.
EDIT: Oh actually I saw a few of his goals at the Euros.
Don't even care about formations or players needed to make him work. At this stage I just want to see some world class players at United. That said you'd have to say one of our top players, Mata or someone, would have to leave
He's iight
1) Yes, Mr. G is coming.http://www.marca.com/en/football/spanish-football/2017/02/07/589a32fee2704e266d8b45f9.html
2) Aguero will come back to his spiritual home.
3) Win-win.
Would you also say that Chelsea, City, Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool are better teams than them? And the Spanish top half isn't less competitive than the English top half IMO. I would back Athletico in a two legged CL tie against any English side at the moment.
Anyway, on Griezmann, he had a solid game yesterday, and has the ability to win games, he did great for the equalizer and his goal should have stood. I thought Athletico were the better side even before Barca went down to 10 men.
The delusion of Premier League fans can be absolutely staggering. La Liga has absolutely dominated both the Champions League and the Europa League for many years now.
With that being said, Cerezo is likely just bitter with his small team comments as Griezmann is about to leave.
Playerwise all of them are better apart from Liverpool. Griezmann is a better player then all of those teams have, and plays a huge part in Atletico's recent success. The manager plays an even bigger part. Take those 2 away and Atletico will (again) be a team at Liverpool/Everton level. I said it now...you will see.
Just from the top of my head: Godin, Filipe Luis, Koke, and Griezmann would get into pretty much any Premier League side, United included.
Heavily disagree, Athletico is a top side, and Athletico is a lot more than just Griezmann, if you saw the game yesterday from the start you could see Athletico as a team putting pressure on Barca at their homeground, and creating some good chances, and not because of any Griezmann solo plays. They have been playing really well for many seasons now, and of course Simeone should take a lot of credit, but you can't say that Simeone is the reason 10 players play well, but the 11th (Griezmann) is playing well based on his own merit.
Athletico is a well drilled solid team with many good players, I don't even think Griezmann is their best player (although he is their best attacker IMO).
There is no delusion, the top teams in the La Liga are far superior to the lower teams, that's simply not the case here. Hence it being a "less competitive league"
People tend to overrate players that work well within a cohesion - you just brought the perfect example --> Filipe Luis. Didn't get a sniff in the Chelsea team, even when they were in pretty bad shape. There is no proof what so ever that the others would make it (well, apart from Griezmann who is on a different level). Call it the Dortmund syndrome if you like (Kagawa, Götze, Sahin, Hummels). Godin get's worse with the minute atm, it seems. Koke stagnating for quite a long time now.
You called it. As a team. They work brilliant as a team. Now take one of those parts out, and it's far from certain, that it will work anywhere close as good as before --> reason in the other answer^
I love him. We need to sign him. He's gonna score so many goals for us.
Koke is a far superior player to Herrera who is a starter for United, so I'm pretty sure Koke would be too.
Koke is the best player at Atletico Madrid not named Griezmann and one of the best midfielders in La Liga. You only need to watch his performance today to understand why.
More competitive doesn't mean that the teams are better. I agree that PL is the most entertaining league, and a league where the smaller teams beat the bigger teams more regularly. This doesn't mean that the teams in PL are better than the Spanish teams, and looking at recent European records (and even looking at the games) indicate the opposite. The Spanish league is better at the moment IMO.
The parts are still top quality, and why is Griezmann on a 'different level'? Is he not helped by the 'team'? I don't understand that argument at all.
And being able to work well in a solid system is a skill just like anything else in football, so I don't see why that should be an argument to use against certain players. The ability to be aware of ones role in the team, and consistently fulfill ones defensive and offensive duties is one of the most important skills in football. And I don't buy that the players are not top class in their own right, Alderweireld couldn't get into the Atletico team for example, and he is one of the best defenders in the PL. You don't achieve what Athletico have achieved lately with Griezmann plus a support cast of average players.
Koke is great. What did you make of the game yesterday? Suarez somehow managed to get two yellows in the space of 5 minutes. Was never a red for me, so it was unlucky.
I agree but going by this season alone Atleti haven't looked very impressive. They've been quite poor, if anything. Started to perform lately though.
He is on a different level, because he was the deciding factor in a load of games against the best teams in the world lately (Real, Barca, Bayern). Atleti would not have won one of those very important encounters in the CL without him.
Being able to work in a system, it's the manager who does this for players, more then everything. Some people still don't understand how big a part a manager, and team spirit play in football. This goes way beyond individual class of the players.
You'll (all really) see - Atleti will fall back to an "ordinary" team, not rival for any title, as soon as Griezmann and Simeone are gone. Quote me anytime in the future....
Of course they have very good players apart from Griezmann..like Koke, Godin..
Everton has those as well..Lukaku, Coleman. Or Liverpool...Coutinho, Mane
I agree that they haven't been good so far this season, I was mainly reacting to people saying United are on the same level. Might happen eventually, but that statement is a bit premature to me.
Fair enough, guess we're not going to agree completely on this
I do agree with you that the manager is extremely important in any club, but players have to be able to perform within the system as well. But I think that even if they lose Griezmann they will either find a different player who is given the freedom Griezmann is, or tweak the system. I think they will remain a top contender (although maintaining it in the same league as Real and Barca is a big ask). You can quote me as well
For the record, I rate Griezmann highly, although maybe not as highly as some posters on here, and I don't think he will be the solution to your goal-scoring singlehandedly. Would be hard to prove though since I think this is something Jose will manage to improve the rest of the season, and next season I think you will challenge for the title, with or without Griezmann.
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