Correct. That said, if Ibra were to play he probably wouldn't start at #10 but it would be more a case of him dropping into #10 and Griezmann peeling wide to the flank he would have supported. When the move is down the other flank Ibra would be upfront waiting for the cross.
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Correct. That said, if Ibra were to play he probably wouldn't start at #10 but it would be more a case of him dropping into #10 and Griezmann peeling wide to the flank he would have supported. When the move is down the other flank Ibra would be upfront waiting for the cross.
Who says Mourinho has to see it through
There's no way we should keep changing managers so as to allow for the formation of the latest target
This was what I was initially trying to describe. I probably worded it poorly. I meant the type of width you get with this system is not something I like.
Playing Griezmann, Martial and rashford on top is a bad idea. Too much of the same. In this system the opposition will simply press the DLP and we are screwed. The team would be also quite limited in terms of tactical flexibility. These systems pretend to solve a problem (“lack of quality winger”) but they don’t. In the end someone has to occupy wide spaces.
Personally I love it because the 442 diamond allows you to answer any questioned asked by the opponents with the same set of players. The only problem being that it requires players with a certain type of intelligence, vision and physical attributes.
I wouldn't mind a diamond. end of the day if you have a group of good players who are all willing to work hard for each other and if you have footballing intelligence, players who can beat a man and ability to keep the ball.. does it matter what formation they are on paper as long as they can stretch the game, create chances at will and win football matches.
For me if you have a side with the likes of Griezmann, Pogba at the heart of it.. you've got a very creative duo there.. good enough to lead France to Euro 2016 final. At the same time, if you do commit to having them both in your team.. you need to make sure that your wing backs are super gifted going forwards to provide quality width, and that your wide men can dangerous.. especially if Griezmann is played as a false 9.
Its about constructing a team. Not just buying a load of big names in an ad hoc manner and trying to fit it into an orthodox system which doesn't let them flourish. Jose needs to let go of this 4-2-3-1 dogmatic approach and be more flexible in terms of his tactics.
For me if you have a side with the likes of Griezmann, Pogba at the heart of it.. you've got a very creative duo there.. good enough to lead France to Euro 2016 final. At the same time, if you do commit to having them both in your team.. you need to make sure that your wing backs are super gifted going forwards to provide quality width, and that your wide men can dangerous.. especially if Griezmann is played as a false 9.
Its about constructing a team. Not just buying a load of big names in an ad hoc manner and trying to fit it into an orthodox system which doesn't let them flourish. Jose needs to let go of this 4-2-3-1 dogmatic approach and be more flexible in terms of his tactics.
Shame nobody thought about that when Milan won two CLs playing that way. There are examples, obviously, but it's not that simple: ball-playing defender is still an outlet, pass it to the fullbacks and there's an outlet... What do we have today which is better than having that midfield? Fellaini?
Okay, it is a bit simplistic, but I still think that this lineup is pretty questionable. If any manager really wants to go down this road….well….okay…..but I don’t see anyone who is going to do that. Certainly not Mourinho.
Not sure we could fit both him and Rooney in the same team tbh. Think I'll pass on this one.
You mean Rooney? cuz otherwise it would be mental
Don't think there's a muppet in the land with the stamina to last until the summer with this one. Left the traps too early lads.
Griezmann, Van Dijk, Fabinho and a DM in the summer and we win the league
We said the same thing last summer after buying Pogba, Ibra, Bailly and Mhikitaryan.
We're not winning the league simply by buying certain players. You would have thought we learnt that by now.
It definitely would, it's just the front 3 would all be very similar there, I think that creativbe player in behind them to help Pogba create chances for Griezmann and Martial would be important.
Luke Shaw at left back?
Oh he's so ours next summer.
I suppose that's true. If you have the cash to buy decent alternatives you would be crazy not to. Thing is Dutch clubs don't have that kind of money so we like to say nehmeh at least we have homegrown players. It's sad more than anything else really
Has done nothing to prove himself for United.
I was being "funny"
can't fit our best player Herrera?
not sure where he'd fit but I guess we would have to experiment with diamond, Is this Jos way?
Herrera is my current POTY but if it was him or Pogba to be dropped, I think Jose will go with Le Pog. That being said, I really wish we can just play the diamond instead with both him and Pogba, and someone controlling from deep.
How he could work IMO. It's the diamond with the players opposite each other having different defensive duties. Meaning Valencia or the right-back is more offensively minded than the left-back, while the #8 on the right is more defensive than Pogba on the left. Also, the two forwards ahead of Griezmann would be a bit more wide than usual in a 4-4-2. You could also argue it's a 4-3-3 with a false nine.
Lack of width be damned, I really like the look of this
Lack of width be damned, I really like the look of this
How many times that been said though?
If people have ever learnt anything, it's always the teams that people hate that tended to do better for us then the teams people were happy with. We NEED width. It's so important else you are much more containable. There is a space for someone of Griezmanns ability clearly - but hopefully Shaw can improve A LOT going forwardValencia has had his most convincing season going forwards, but he's also our best source of width - which is not good lol
Gosh, not another player competing for Rooney's position? Blasphemy!
How many times that been said though?
Valencia has had his most convincing season going forwards, but he's also our best source of width - which is not good lol
Shaw must improve, of course, but you need to get past no wingers= no width. Most of the better wide forwards of today actually cut inside and it's the fullbacks stretching the defence.
Of course, you don't want your two up top to be central and incompetent out wide, but a trio of Griezmann, Martial, Rashford wouldn't have that problem.
@Lawman Why couldn't you answer like this in the first place instead of trying to wind me up with my mental health? Being mentally ill shouldn't be an insult.
In Carrick's or the holding midfielder's case I thought the player could exploit the space behind Pogba better, since Pogba would be playing more offensively than the #8 on the right. At the same time the holding midfielder needs to be more aware defensively in that space.
If you think it's nonsense that's fair enough.
In Carrick's or the holding midfielder's case I thought the player could exploit the space behind Pogba better, since Pogba would be playing more offensively than the #8 on the right. At the same time the holding midfielder needs to be more aware defensively in that space.
If you think it's nonsense that's fair enough.
He IS exactly what we need, a player of that quality who actually dreams to play for us and bring us back to the top? Just get rid of the deadwood and bring it on!
Of course, it requires a few tweaks, but the tweaks I indicate below we need anyway. Will cost 150-200M overall depending on who the other two are. Fabinho also looks an obvious option given needs, but haven't watched him for a long time, how is he getting on?
SUBS: Darmian and/or Young (feck it, can't buy a zillion players), Smalling/TFM for Bailly, Blind for either of the new ones, Mata for Griezmann, Ibra for those upfront.
DUNNO: Schneiderlin and Mkhitaryan would fit well as backups (even starter with Mkhi) but it doesn't look like they will play anyway. Lingard as squad player, would keep if Mkhi goes, inevitably moves on if that gets sorted.
OUT: Jones (always injured), Carrick (or one year contracts), Schweinsteiger, Fellaini, Depay. I'd shift Rooney for wages and moving on more than him not being a competent backup in this setup.
Seems to me the size of squad Mourinho is more comfortable with, blood in youngsters to fill gaps. Would have a very good 2017 and I would be very optimistic about 2018.
Fabinho has been good for Monaco in MF.
Ball playing CB in the lineup could be Van Dijk.
100 million €.
He IS exactly what we need, a player of that quality who actually dreams to play for us and bring us back to the top? Just get rid of the deadwood and bring it on!
Of course, it requires a few tweaks, but the tweaks I indicate below we need anyway. Will cost 150-200M overall depending on who the other two are. Fabinho also looks an obvious option given needs, but haven't watched him for a long time, how is he getting on?
SUBS: Darmian and/or Young (feck it, can't buy a zillion players), Smalling/TFM for Bailly, Blind for either of the new ones, Mata for Griezmann, Ibra for those upfront.
DUNNO: Schneiderlin and Mkhitaryan would fit well as backups (even starter with Mkhi) but it doesn't look like they will play anyway. Lingard as squad player, would keep if Mkhi goes, inevitably moves on if that gets sorted.
OUT: Jones (always injured), Carrick (or one year contracts), Schweinsteiger, Fellaini, Depay. I'd shift Rooney for wages and moving on more than him not being a competent backup in this setup.
Seems to me the size of squad Mourinho is more comfortable with, blood in youngsters to fill gaps. Would have a very good 2017 and I would be very optimistic about 2018.
That front 3
We said the same thing after getting Di Maria &. Falcao
I'm no tactical expert but surely Greizmann can operate as a wide forward in the system that we already have?
Yes he can, but he has found his mojo in a different role, why come to be yet another player shifted to the wing despite being better elsewhere?
Yes, he can but he wouldn't be worth the money we get him for.
He must have seen us against Fenerbahce. Or Chelsea.
If he's interested we'd be mad not to go for him. The quality and creativity he would give us are too good to turn down.
If he's interested we'd be mad not to go for him. The quality and creativity he would give us are too good to turn down.
Would like to see us go in hard for Griezmann and Verratti next summer, they would really get us back among the elite and both classy as feck.
If you do go diamond, you need really talented wing backs and Auerier/Bernat are the only two I can think of who could possibly be tempted off the top of my head.
But either way even if we just got Griezmann, if we used that template and used Valencia.. we could be fine. PL is getting tougher and will get tougher next year, so we do need to do something drastic tactically and bring in big players in terms of talent to catch up to the other sides.
Buying a feckload of players has never worked for us, why would it work now?
Would like to see us go in hard for Griezmann and Verratti next summer, they would really get us back among the elite and both classy as feck.
If you do go diamond, you need really talented wing backs and Auerier/Bernat are the only two I can think of who could possibly be tempted off the top of my head.
But either way even if we just got Griezmann, if we used that template and used Valencia.. we could be fine. PL is getting tougher and will get tougher next year, so we do need to do something drastic tactically and bring in big players in terms of talent to catch up to the other sides.
In addition, the midfield is definitely not defensively sound and we'd look almost as bad as we currently do, having to wait for more players to settle in.
It is a vicious cycle. Buying lots of players doesn't lead to success but at the same time, when you see Chelsea in 03/04 and you see Man City when they acquired David Silva, Kompany, Toure and Aguero.. it is possible to buy a brand new team and do really well. We have just brought really badly and had shit managers in charge.
We can't afford to just get scared of spending just because we have been bad at it, eventually one has to hope we do start recruiting right.
That midfield is defensively sound enough, with that quality in midfield we would be dominating possession pretty much every game and the amount of defending we would have to do as a side would be less.. even so Verratti and Herrera are strong enough defensively imo, Verratti's defensive ability is underrated.
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