I read it in the sense that he's asking Pogba 'are they really worth the hype and media attention they get?
I'd love him here but think we'll be paying his buyout clause which would be Pogba kind of money, not sure he'd be worth it.
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I'd love him here but think we'll be paying his buyout clause which would be Pogba kind of money, not sure he'd be worth it.
You mean Hot Line bling? Get with the times Granddad!
If you weren't being so sensitive, you would realise I meant it in terms of getting the best out of him. It's a legitimate concern given Mourinho spent some time playing Pogba out of position and still doesn't appear to know what his best team is. Likewise, France have had some troubles finding a system that suits both Pogba and Griezmann when they both play such specific roles.Yep he'll have no fecking idea. Jose's credentials are that of a Sunday League coach.
Give your head a wobble.
As someone else suggested, I think we could make it work if we adopt a similar system to Liverpool with Griezmann playing the Firmino false 9 role. Having both of them in the same team would probably mean it's quite restrictive to how we could play though and I don't think it'd be worthwhile unless Mourinho decided to drop Ibrahimovic or bin him altogether, which I don't think he will.
Just a question for the people with all the formations. Don't United fans care about the number of English players in their team at all? I guess in Holland it's the only thing we can still feel pride about, but seeing a preferred United squad with no one from England in the starting 11 just feels wrong. How is that better than City or Chelsea.
Alright fair enough. It's just I don't know anymore. Everyone seems to have digs at Mourinho at the minute and you're right I do get touchy over him. I'm a big fan.
I personally think Griezmann should play as a deep lying forward myself in a front 3. Along Martial/Rashers and whomever else. Possibly the Armenian if he's still here.
I've seen Griezmann play up front with Torres a few times too, and that worked well in my opinion, so I think it could work the same for Ibra.
Not really worried if Mourinho would get the best out of him as I think Griezmann is such an amazing versatile player he'd do well anywhere across the front 3 for us.
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Griezmann: So how much do you make now?
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Griezmann: I want to play with Pogba.
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Griezmann: I want to play with Pogba.
I personally couldn't give feck how many homegrown players we have. I mean, it's excellent to see Marcus Rashford doing well for us but ultimately it's about what best for the club, for me. Marcus Rashford is in the team because he's good enough. So if there is 11 players out there that are better than 11 homegrown players we have then by all means, replace them.
Ps - I'm not talking about United players exclusively, rather that if there is a player that's available from Spain that marginally better than the a player from England the it's a no brainer.
It's just the sad reality of the lack of quality English players around right now.
I'd say a large proportion of United fans do care, but there's obviously some that get carried away and conjure up these fantasy lineups of star players from around the globe. I'd personally love to see a strong English core develop in our side again over the coming years, Shaw and Rashford are the only ones in the squad right now that I see being a part of that, or at least the only ones that should be a part of that if we want be the best in Europe.
On topic though, I'd love Griezmann to come here and have done so for two or so years now, this deal almost makes too much sense for it not to happen next summer (famous last words). I'd let Ibrahimovic go in the summer to make Grizzi the main man but of course if Zlatan was fine with a lesser role then that would be OK too.
You can't be serious right? Have you seen the current batch of English youngsters?
We have 3 exceptional youth products coming through that are English that have Pogba expectations of their chances of success.
We will have enough to please England watchers.
Yep, I think it's a cyclical thing. We've went through a period where we had a core of homegrown players i.e. class of 92
Arsenal went through a period of having like no British players in the first 11 and now they have Walcott, Ox, Ramsey, Gibbs and they had Chambers and that shite right back.. both of them are obviously not good enough but still I think that it goes through phases.
To buy Griezmann we have to sell Schneiderlin Tbh it's not much of an issue.
I do not want 4 French players at the club unless it was someone who happens to come through the youth system.
Having too many players from 1 country can cause a split in team friendship and hard work. The same goes if we are to buy a Spanish player. Sell 1 to buy 1.
I do not want 4 French players at the club unless it was someone who happens to come through the youth system.
Having too many players from 1 country can cause a split in team friendship and hard work. The same goes if we are to buy a Spanish player. Sell 1 to buy 1.
wedefinitely need more brasil samba
---------------Martial/Ibra
------------------------Griezmann/Rashford
----------------Mhiki/Mata
--------Pogba-------------Herrera
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Shaw-----Blind-----Bailly-----Valencia
A formation like this would require a player in Carrick's mould to free up Pogba and Herrera. Can't say there are many options in the market though. William Carvalho's one that comes to mind, but he didn't come across as what I'd describe as mobile during the Euros. Another option would be pushing Blind forward into that role so that our focus would instead be on a CB to complement Bailly/Smalling (as both of them together doesn't really work). A ball-playing CB (that can actually defend as well) would probably be easier to acquire also.
------------------------Griezmann/Rashford
----------------Mhiki/Mata
--------Pogba-------------Herrera
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Shaw-----Blind-----Bailly-----Valencia
A formation like this would require a player in Carrick's mould to free up Pogba and Herrera. Can't say there are many options in the market though. William Carvalho's one that comes to mind, but he didn't come across as what I'd describe as mobile during the Euros. Another option would be pushing Blind forward into that role so that our focus would instead be on a CB to complement Bailly/Smalling (as both of them together doesn't really work). A ball-playing CB (that can actually defend as well) would probably be easier to acquire also.
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It's all nice and dandy but where would we play him was my question?
Center forward or on the right, like Mata?
I get what you are saying but Pogba's long term future is as a box to box player who starts from deep. As we have seen he struggles in behind the striker but if we got a defensively strong partner for him that play a bit there is no reason him not to succeed as part of midfield two and don't forget that he is still growing as a player.
He ain't a winger nor is he centre forward. Mata role could suit him probably because he would have freedom to drift around.
Yeah, and right now it seems like Spurs got ahead of things on the English front, like you say it goes in cycles.
Sorry, but are you talking about Rashford?
I would play him as a no10/Second striker hybrid behind Rashford. Give him the license to float around and that could very well work.
He probably won't come next summer, but the summer after I think could be the time to get him.
He probably won't come next summer, but the summer after I think could be the time to get him.
No I'm not, because he is a centre forward. Played very good in that position last season.
Any French source? @JPRouve
Well it came from the horses mouth so I don't think you can get any more French than that.
It might sound ridiculous but honestly I don't want him. If we play 4-4-2 diamond we would lack width. If we play 4-2-3-1 with him in the hole we've just shunted our best player this season thus far in Mata(IMO) outwide or taken him out of the starting 11 AND we'll have put Pogba in a 2 man midfield, which nullifies his best qualities. If we play 4-3-3 with him on the right that means no Mkhitaryan AND we'll have bought a player for a presumably very high fee and played him out of position.
Call me crazy but I am heavily against this, I would much rather buy a player that would suit our current personnel and in suitable formation.
Call me crazy but I am heavily against this, I would much rather buy a player that would suit our current personnel and in suitable formation.
DO IT WOODWARD
read it as DIE ANTWOORD
Yep I think it's crazy not to want him. he is the type of player if ends up somewhere else will rip it up and we would wish he was A United player. anyway it's not as if we have found a perfect set up under mourinho yet anyway
Yes but I feel that Mourinho could set us up as a world class team if he used Pogba, Mkhitaryan, Rashford and Martial together in a 4-3-3.
I stuggle to follow your rational?
Frankly speaking, English talent is rubbish for the most part. It's either adopt a complete English squad and fade into mediocrity or implement some foreign talent which can actually play football.
I mean it's not really that bad though. Pogba is an academy player, I know we had to pay to get him back but Real Madrid and Barcelona still count guys as academy players and pay buyback clauses so why can't we? Even right now we have Shaw, Smalling, Lingard, Carrick, Rooney and Rashford as 6 pretty regular English starters. Depending on who we bring in permanently at right back that could be four not to mention the guys being blooded through our academy like Gomes and Tuanzebe.
There's no need to force anything.
Tactics isn't what's holding us back from being "world class", the fact that 95% of our squad isn't performing is the reason.
I would love for us to sign him! His movement is phenomenal, and I could see him playing the Mata role coming in from the RW, he'll have license to roam, he can come short, in behind, and if Ibra is still here next season, then with his movement coupled with Ibras hold up and link up play, it could be quite something! but we will need a good attacking RB, I think Valencia has done well, but I wonder if we could upgrade that position. Only issue is, who is defensively sound yet a good attacking right back? Cancelo is good attacking wise but isn't the greatest defender, and other RBs are young.
Martial - Griezmann
Mata
Pogba - Herrera
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???? - ???? - Bailly - Valencia
De Gea
Mata
Pogba - Herrera
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???? - ???? - Bailly - Valencia
De Gea
Cmon Jose, make us great again.
Football is football. Play the ones who'll get you results, not just because they're local kids.
He's not a traditional winger, but hardly anyone has that kind of players anymore. He'll be great in that Mata 'false' winger role of last year. His movement and finishing is deadly.
GRIEZS GRIEZS ON FIRE!!!
Guys you don't just pass up a player like Griezmann. He is something special and will light up the Premiere League.
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