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Ed will pay whatever it takes and we'll break the record again
Chance yes but he would be more inclined to join United for several reasons, saying that if we dont make top 4 and theres a strong chance we wont then it could scupper him coming to United and may well end up at Chewsea
Never going to happen just like I spent the whole summer telling you in the Pogba thread.
We need more French lads in the team we have enough Spainards 
I think he has a release clause which is lower than the record
Thread needs to be blessed with more Ed gifs. C'mon Caf lads, party on
Replacement for Rooney?
Might as well support the ones that get you results then?
2018 confirmed.
Simeone is off to Inter then and Griezmann will leave too.
Simeone is off to Inter then and Griezmann will leave too.
Certainly, regardless if it's a homegrown Manc lad that was born inside OT during a United game, or someone who signed solely for the money
Not sure why people are convinced he'd leave to go to Inter so soon. Atletico's up there as one of the best run clubs in the world. Inter is a mess at the moment, much better to have someone clean up there and he can walk in and take them to the next level.
If we get Griezmann, will Simeone be included?
How old is he? I also think if he is to come, it will be in 2018 when Zlatan leaves. Or next year if Rooney surprisingly leaves
We will pay extra just to break the record again
or to have them take Fellaini away to hzved
can't fit our best player Herrera?
not sure where he'd fit but I guess we would have to experiment with diamond, Is this Jos way?
How he could work IMO. It's the diamond with the players opposite each other having different defensive duties. Meaning Valencia or the right-back is more offensively minded than the left-back, while the #8 on the right is more defensive than Pogba on the left. Also, the two forwards ahead of Griezmann would be a bit more wide than usual in a 4-4-2. You could also argue it's a 4-3-3 with a false nine.
Think that's the club's plan.
Whats his current release clause ?
Guys, we HAVE to stop putting square pegs in round holes.
Lets have a "what we need" summer rather than a what we want summer, eh?
Do you think Juve fans were buzzing when they got a seemingly finished Pirlo - no -look what happened. I despise the dippers but look at Mane, perfect for their system. Not ALL about cash, Griezmann would only work here as a false nine, which is more Pep than Jose.
Lets have a "what we need" summer rather than a what we want summer, eh?
Do you think Juve fans were buzzing when they got a seemingly finished Pirlo - no -look what happened. I despise the dippers but look at Mane, perfect for their system. Not ALL about cash, Griezmann would only work here as a false nine, which is more Pep than Jose.
How he could work IMO. It's the diamond with the players opposite each other having different defensive duties. Meaning Valencia or the right-back is more offensively minded than the left-back, while the #8 on the right is more defensive than Pogba on the left. Also, the two forwards ahead of Griezmann would be a bit more wide than usual in a 4-4-2. You could also argue it's a 4-3-3 with a false nine.
I quite like the look of that. Martial will always drift wide left anyway so if Ibra was to stay and still be a main part of the team I see no problem with Griezmann having a free role, just behind the 2 with instructions to drift right more than left. (I know not quite a free role then
)My biggest problem is that Mou doesn't like lining up like that now (and it would work wI think Mata in there aswell) so would he do it next season or would hexpect play Pogba/Griezmann out of position instead.
Griezmann is everything we need.
I quite like the look of that. Martial will always drift wide left anyway so if Ibra was to stay and still be a main part of the team I see no problem with Griezmann having a free role, just behind the 2 with instructions to drift right more than left. (I know not quite a free role then
My biggest problem is that Mou doesn't like lining up like that now (and it would work wI think Mata in there aswell) so would he do it next season or would hexpect play Pogba/Griezmann out of position instead.
We're kinda playing similar to that in a way. In the last game for example, Ibra dropped deep quite a lot to link up, almost like a false 9 at times. Whilst Rooney and Mata came inside, they didn't really make runs in behind, but a slight adjustment could make that happen.
Yeah it was a really strange set up against Swansea with 4 players all occupying the same space.
How he could work IMO. It's the diamond with the players opposite each other having different defensive duties. Meaning Valencia or the right-back is more offensively minded than the left-back, while the #8 on the right is more defensive than Pogba on the left. Also, the two forwards ahead of Griezmann would be a bit more wide than usual in a 4-4-2. You could also argue it's a 4-3-3 with a false nine.
Champs manager and FIFA has a lot to answer for FFS. Anybody who thinks that is how a team is run needs their head examined.
I tend to agree it's going a bit overboard when you need fancy diagrams to explain how we will line up. Keep it simple.
I don't play either. Thanks for the input. Could you elaborate why you think it is nonsense?
What's complicated about what I have posted?
How he could work IMO. It's the diamond with the players opposite each other having different defensive duties. Meaning Valencia or the right-back is more offensively minded than the left-back, while the #8 on the right is more defensive than Pogba on the left. Also, the two forwards ahead of Griezmann would be a bit more wide than usual in a 4-4-2. You could also argue it's a 4-3-3 with a false nine.
This is exactly the system we'd need to make Griezmann a viable option, but I personally don't think he should be playing in the hole behind two strikers, I think you need a creative player there, we could use Mata or Mkhi at the head of the diamond with Martial and Griezmann as the 2 strikers.
I tend to go along with this. Griezmann would be muppetastic, but I don't think he's exactly what we need. I'd rather we had a look at that. Who cares if they cost 10m or 100m? As long as they improve us.
That would be great to see as well. Was just trying to get the best out of Pogba and Griezmann.
There's no way we're playing any sort of 'diamonds' or false winger-box-to-box #8s under Mourinho. It's almost certain to be a 4231/4141 system.
I like the look of that, but no way is Carrick going to be around if/ by the time we get him. Also, that XI seems to be massively lacking in width, which is one of the main reasons we're struggling to break teams down currently.
It's pretty much how Rodger's Liverpool played with SSS. Could work really well, especially with 2 hard working CM's and a good controlling DM like Carrick.
How he could work IMO. It's the diamond with the players opposite each other having different defensive duties. Meaning Valencia or the right-back is more offensively minded than the left-back, while the #8 on the right is more defensive than Pogba on the left. Also, the two forwards ahead of Griezmann would be a bit more wide than usual in a 4-4-2. You could also argue it's a 4-3-3 with a false nine.
Shaw, Smalling, Jones, Lingard, Rashford, Rooney are more than most PL sides.
Then the likes of CBJ, Wilson, Tuanzebe, Johnstone etc.
Putting in english players for the sake of it is a nice idea in theory, but if the players aren't good enough - why should they play?
Lets say that the arrows makes me think that you have Cruyff's 343 in mind but made it a little bit fancier.
I wouldn't say it's complicated, more overly ambitious.
I only used the players we currently have and Griezmann. A new right-back, a new partner for Bailly and someone to replace Carrick are needed as well. I am not the biggest fan of the diamond either, specifally for the lack of width, but it could easily be a 4-3-3 with a false nine.
Lets say that the arrows makes me think that you have Cruyff's 343 in mind but made it a little bit fancier.
That's true, I was thinking about that formation. I was hoping the arrows make it easier to understand, what I meant when I said one full-back is a bit more restricted than the other going forward. And I also wanted to show in Pogba's case that he likes to drift into that area, similar to Isco and Schweinsteiger.
Didn't think of that. Good suggestion.
He IS exactly what we need, a player of that quality who actually dreams to play for us and bring us back to the top? Just get rid of the deadwood and bring it on!
Of course, it requires a few tweaks, but the tweaks I indicate below we need anyway. Will cost 150-200M overall depending on who the other two are. Fabinho also looks an obvious option given needs, but haven't watched him for a long time, how is he getting on?
SUBS: Darmian and/or Young (feck it, can't buy a zillion players), Smalling/TFM for Bailly, Blind for either of the new ones, Mata for Griezmann, Ibra for those upfront.
DUNNO: Schneiderlin and Mkhitaryan would fit well as backups (even starter with Mkhi) but it doesn't look like they will play anyway. Lingard as squad player, would keep if Mkhi goes, inevitably moves on if that gets sorted.
OUT: Jones (always injured), Carrick (or one year contracts), Schweinsteiger, Fellaini, Depay. I'd shift Rooney for wages and moving on more than him not being a competent backup in this setup.
Seems to me the size of squad Mourinho is more comfortable with, blood in youngsters to fill gaps. Would have a very good 2017 and I would be very optimistic about 2018.
A diamond doesn't lack width, like you said it's no different to a 433 with a false nine and that's why today's Ibrahimovic has nothing to do in it unless it is to play as a sort of #10, the two strikers will be the ones streching the field alternatively with the fullbacks.
In that type of systems you create width by using an asymetric formation for example when the left striker stretches the field, the right fullback plays as a right midfielder and the right striker runs inside. And you do the opposite when it's the right striker who is stretching the field.
Who says Mourinho has to see it through
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