Antoine Griezmann
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He plays in a fairly free role as second striker and not as a wide-player. He is mobile and can pop up almost everywhere, but he is clearly at home in the center. I'll go on a rampage if we buy him and play him in any other position. He played on the (left) wing in the past, but he is not that kind of player anymore and shifting him out wide would be criminal. Even in the games where he nominaly might play on the right, his real position/role doesn't really reflect this. Atletico often uses a system, that is not symetric.
Ballbag has changed his tune, I am sure he was saying the complete opposite last week.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/fo...Balague-Antoine-Griezmann-Man-United-transfer
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/fo...Balague-Antoine-Griezmann-Man-United-transfer
What pathetic article. "Yes maybe he could leave, or maybe not." Just covering his bases so he doesn't end up with egg all over his stupid face like he did with Pogba.
He does that on every transfer, in the hope that some people on a fans forum will give him some respect.
He something right the other year and some people on here, well you could almost hear them sobbing over their keyboards, "Stop calling him Ball bag, he's got something right sob, sob, boo, hoo!"
How would you feel if he was signed as a replacement for Martial?
Would love the guy, class player! I've always thought next summer Rooney will be off, with Griezmann being a nice replacement.
The only worry is i do tend to think his best position would be where Pogba is playing, mind you he seems a good enough player to play anywhere across the front!
The only worry is i do tend to think his best position would be where Pogba is playing, mind you he seems a good enough player to play anywhere across the front!
Unimpressed. 6 months of suspect form and hes done? I would hope the club had more faith in his talent.
Also if we were to replace him if would have to be for someone who best/most effective position is operating LW, we have already sold Memphis so I think we should look to add there anyway (as well as keep Martial)
Wouldn't like it, because I rate Martial very high and think that he has Ballon D'Or potential.
If we sign Griezmann, it should be as a replacement for both Rooney and Mata. If you add their minutes and give to Griezmann, you can keep happy both him and Martial (well, give some minutes from Ibra to Martial). I think that Ibra, Griezmann, Martial, Mkhitaryan, Rashford and Lingard could be kept happy (of course, Lingard would get far less minutes than any of the others). There are enough minutes in 55 or so matches per season for all of them.
I am talking about where he is actually playing, no player cares about some "position" some media puts him in. There are no positions in real football, just like there is no definite position for an electron. And Griezmann is mostly on the right wing. Saul Niguez, who is mostly marked as right midfielder, plays a lot more central then Griezmann for example. Just shows that those "positions" tell nothing but shit. He is no extreme wide player though, would perfectly fit to Valencia, who would hug the touchline like he is doing now.
Actually it's completely the other way round. In most games he is marked as a striker he still drifts to the right side mostly. His actual position (where he is really playing) is pretty similar to Mata, when he played on the right for us, a tad more offensive.
I am not sure you even watched Griezmann plays, he played mostly as striker/second striker in central position since he moved to Atletico, and that's his best position, not in right wing where Mata usually plays for us
I have seen well over 150 live games. He is a free roamer like Mata or Micky, with a tendence to the right wing (like Mata)
Mata and Micky are more of a creator, Griezmann is finisher, them being free roamer does not mean they are similar player
If I have to compare Griezmann to another player then it would be Dybala, not Micky or Mata
Didn't say that he is a similar player, just that he is found in similar kind of positions. Dybala is a pretty similar player in addition, who also plays the same position, yes.
What i wanted to say is that Griezmann is pretty much a like for like replacement for Mata, when it's about positional play, so people should stop worrying about this "where does he fit in" nonsense.
Well that's not true at all.
This french girl I'm talking to keeps reminding me how nice his ass is.
Of course it is. Players move around, and don't stick to one position. Trees have positions. Players do not (you might make a case for the goalkeeper)
I agree.
Atletico usually plays either 4-4-1-1 or a asymetrical 433.
In their "classic" formation they start with Koke and Saul as wide midfielders (=Koke - Gabi - Thiago - Saul), while Griezmann plays off a central forward like Torres/Gameiro/Mandzukic/Jackson/Vietto. In this system he has all the freedom on the world to roam around. Due to their injuries Correa also played a couple of games on the right side, so Saul played centrally.
In their "make-shift" 433, they usually start with Carrasco as a left winger, who provides width on the left, while Juanfran played as stand-in right winger similar to what Valencia does for United, while Griezmann is playing the classic role of a SS. Against the ball they usually switch back to a 442 and Carrasco defends as LM, while the other three midfielders fill the other three positions (= YFC - Koke - Gabi - Saul). Occasionally Griezmann has to defend on the right side of the midfield to help out, but it is not really his position.
He is best at finishing in/around the box, so he should play in this area. Additionally he has great work-rate/mobility and is always willing to be an option for his team-mates, which helps the team to link up. Thats why he is playing centrally, while shifting him out to the right would be stupid.
Good analysis. Good that we have a vacant position for him.
Over Mkhi or dropping Martial?
Over Mata, presumably.
The position Mata or Micky were playing lately. Micky could shift to the left, and rotate with Martial (and sometimes with Griez, when he needs a rest).
That offside goal from last night. Holy feck.
Wow, never looked at Griezmann in that way before
That's where I think he's likely to play as well, and when Mata and Mkhi are there they drift central most of the time anyway so it's not a huge change for him.
Jep, it's more or less the same, positional. Micky drifts central regardless if playing "right" or "left", so when we play both would probably be good to get a Left-side Valencia, if Shaw isn't going to get fit until the new season.
It also means we better make sure the RB we get to cover/replace Valencia is capable of dominating his flank like Tony does.
Don't think there are any capable of doing what Valencia has been doing this season.
Very few. Coleman, but at the time Valencia probably declines, Coleman will be 30 as well. Bellerin would be a nice buy.
This is even more obvious than the Pogba ordeal
Mata/Micki defend "on the wing", while Griezmann usually doesn't. He defends in the center and starts his contibution to the offence in the center. Yes, he is very mobile and doesn't stay in this position, but his position/role for Atletico is quite different to the role/position of Mata or Micki in our team. I'd also add, that I don't think that Mata or Micki are really similar players, but that is a different issue.
I am not saying that Griezmann doesn't fit into our team, but he should't be seen as like-for-like replacement and we should adapt accordingly.
His heatmaps tend to disagree with you
I agree that it's not an exact like for like with the 3 players mentioned here, all would be slightly different playing off the RW, but I think there's enough common ground with players of this quality to make it a viable starting point of fitting Griezmann into the team without resorting to a 4-2-3-1 and neutering Pogba.
I think he would do well coming from the right and being more of an right inside forward for us than a winger. We kind of already don't actually play with a right winger anyway. The only issue really is freeing him from too much defensive contribution in that position.
Otherwise I would happy if Mourinho basically switched us to a 2 striker system, with Griezmann playing off Ibra and Rashford playing off Martial as the backups.
Otherwise I would happy if Mourinho basically switched us to a 2 striker system, with Griezmann playing off Ibra and Rashford playing off Martial as the backups.
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