Antoine Griezmann

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In all reality we would just be blocking spaces that Rashford & Martial should be playing & if they can't be as good as Griezmann one day then we might as well forget about them.

Griezmann seems like someone who will improve the team rather than really give us what we have been missing.
 
Clas Sified said:
Not wanting to sign Griezmann because he doesn't fit into the current set-up is ridiculously short sighted. Griezmann is relatively versatile, still pretty young and is a marketer's wet dream, and to not sign him would be absolute madness. People have to remember, Ibra will be gone in a year and a half and if we don't sign Griezmann, we'll have to look for another top forward then.
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Griezmann can't lead the line the way Zlatan can, not even near. He won't be replacing Zlatan but will play as support striker, role which he is amazing at. Problem is...we don't play SS...so what do you do with him? Put him wide where he would be good but not amazing? For 80+ million? Or subdue Pogba and force him to play in midfield two...Or play diamond...changing the system completely.

@Acquire Me

No one denies he is absolutely world class player. People, including me, have reservations about is he really what we need. Where do we play him to get the most out of him? Will it affect Pogba like it did for France? What happens with Martial (who I think has higher ceiling than Griezmann and is future Ballon d'or winner)? Why not go for Alexis Sanchez instead who would fit our current system like a glove?

Obviously if he does come I will root for him and hope Jose works it out and that he becomes club legend and win us trophies. In the meantime I just want to express my concerns.
 
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Stacks said:
I'd prefer Aubameyang. I don't believe we need a number 10 because it can impede Pogba and I believe Auba has more weapons in his Arsenal. That pace :eek:
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Aubameyangs pace is awesome and would be great but Griezman all day long for me.
Alexrad said:
Griezmann can't lead the line the way Zlatan can, not even near. He won't be replacing Zlatan but will play as support striker, role which he is amazing at. Problem is...we don't play SS...so what do you do with him? Put him wide where he would be good but not amazing? For 80+ million? Or subdue Pogba and force him to play in midfield two...Or play diamond...changing the system completely.
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We could play him as an inside forward with freedom to roam it wouldn't be a massive change than a ss. I think the who Pogba and Griezman can't play in the same team is disrespectful as they play in completely different positions and have complete different skill sets.
Saying Pogba is only effective in a 433 is also up for debate.
 
I don't see why Griezmann would be an obstacle to Martial's or Rashford's development. Neither of them play remotely close to Griezmann's position. I think the three of them could play together just fine as #11, #10, and #9.
 
Lawman said:
Aubameyangs pace is awesome and would be great but Griezman all day long for me.


We could play him as an inside forward with freedom to roam it wouldn't be a massive change than a ss. I think the who Pogba and Griezman can't play in the same team is disrespectful as they play in completely different positions and have complete different skill sets.
Saying Pogba is only effective in a 433 is also up for debate.
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He isn't at his best as inside forward...and if he plays as SS (his absolutely best position) then he does affect Pogba as we saw on Euros. If you play him as SS you need to play with midfield two...or diamond.
Pogba would be effective in a diamond too...but are we going to completely overhaul the system we currently have to accommodate one player? Is going diamond smart thing to do regardless? We would need huge upgrades on LB and RB as well to make that possible...

podurban2 said:
I don't see why Griezmann would be an obstacle to Martial's or Rashford's development. Neither of them play remotely close to Griezmann's position. I think the three of them could play together just fine as #11, #10, and #9.
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So, you bench Zlatan then and/or force Pogba to play in midfield two? If Griezmann comes Martial gets benched and Rashford gets less playtime too...or we go 4231 which limits Pogba. That also requires from us to sign some absolute monster DM and some other changes which would prompt much longer discussion...
 
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Alexrad said:
So, you bench Zlatan then and/or force Pogba to play in midfield two? If Griezmann comes Martial gets benched and Rashford gets less playtime too...or we go 4231 which limits Pogba.
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I wouldn't care too much about Zlatan. He will be gone soon anyway. Rashford is young enough to play as an impact sub for another year, it's too early to rely on him as a starting player anyway, and he will still be given every opportunity to fight himself into the starting XI. Besides, it wasn't long ago that people on here were slating Rashford and calling him an average "run the ball out of play" player. Things change quickly, but competition is never negative. People had the exact same worries when Zlatan came here, and look how that is turning out.
 
podurban2 said:
I wouldn't care too much about Zlatan. He will be gone soon anyway. Rashford is young enough to play as an impact sub for another year, it's too early to rely on him as a starting player anyway, and he will still be given every opportunity to fight himself into the starting XI. Besides, it wasn't long ago that people on here were slating Rashford and calling him an average "run the ball out of play" player. Things change quickly, but competition is never negative. People had the exact same worries when Zlatan came here, and look how that is turning out.
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But Griezmann isn't the guy who can effectively lead the line, be the lone striker. He won't be signed as replacement for Zlatan nor he will play that position even when Zlatan is gone...
 
Alexrad said:
But Griezmann isn't the guy who can effectively lead the line, be the lone striker. He won't be signed as replacement for Zlatan nor he will play that position even when Zlatan is gone...
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To be fair, you don't know that. Why wouldn't he lead the line?
 
Alexrad said:
Griezmann can't lead the line the way Zlatan can, not even near. He won't be replacing Zlatan but will play as support striker, role which he is amazing at. Problem is...we don't play SS...so what do you do with him? Put him wide where he would be good but not amazing? For 80+ million? Or subdue Pogba and force him to play in midfield two...Or play diamond...changing the system completely.

@Acquire Me

No one denies he is absolutely world class player. People, including me, have reservations about is he really what we need. Where do we play him to get the most out of him? Will it affect Pogba like it did for France? What happens with Martial (who I think has higher ceiling than Griezmann and is future Ballon d'or winner)? Why not go for Alexis Sanchez instead who would fit our current system like a glove?

Obviously if he does come I will root for him and hope Jose works it out and that he becomes club legend and win us trophies. In the meantime I just want to express my concerns.
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This "we can't fit him into our system unless we play him wide or play a diamond" is really nonsense.

Firstly, United has played 4-2-3-1 as the system more than any other this season - with a support striker. They have moved to 4-3-3 of late but Carrick is 100 years old so that system won't last forever in its current form. Although the team is playing better as late, they still lack firepower and struggle to break teams down.

With either of those systems, whoever plays nominally on the right is given significant freedom when the team is attacking. Valencia provides the width on the right hand side and whether it is Mata, Mkhitaryan or Lingard who has the right sided role in the 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3, they are rarely posted wide on the right.

Griezmann would also give the option of playing 2 up front (it might be nice to have the option of changing the formation occasionally) and should link really well with Ibra.

As for "go for Sanchez instead". RVP to United was a huge shock at the time but whatever about back then, there is zero chance Arsenal will sell their best player to United while Mourinho is manager.
 
Alexrad said:
But Griezmann isn't the guy who can effectively lead the line, be the lone striker. He won't be signed as replacement for Zlatan nor he will play that position even when Zlatan is gone...
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Well why would he have to lead the line, isn't that what we hope Rashford or Martial will eventually do?
 
I think our goal output the rest of the way will tell the tale here. As things stand right now our goal output in the league is relatively poor and this is a system that needs the wingers/inside forwards to produce goals. IF Martial returns to form there is absolutely no need to replace him. If Ibra leaves after next season and Martial goes back to the head of the spear, that's when I'd break the bank for Griezman.
 
Alexrad said:
But Griezmann isn't the guy who can effectively lead the line, be the lone striker. He won't be signed as replacement for Zlatan nor he will play that position even when Zlatan is gone...
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He's definitely not a Mourinho striker that's for sure.

I really wouldn't be shocked to see us go for Lukaku after Zlatan with Griezmann behind him and a destroyer behind Pogba.

Zlatan/Lukaku
Martial - Griezmann - Mkhitaryan
Pogba ---------
----- Bakayoko
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Lukaku could be deadly with that supply and equally would be a real handful for any defense having to deal with all those pacey technical players around him.


Bakayoko could mop things up while Pogba marauds around doing what he does best.
 
Pexbo said:
He's definitely not a Mourinho striker that's for sure.

I really wouldn't be shocked to see us go for Lukaku after Zlatan with Griezmann behind him and a destroyer behind Pogba.

Zlatan/Lukaku
Martial - Griezmann - Mkhitaryan
Pogba ---------
----- Bakayoko
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Lukaku could be deadly with that supply and equally would be a real handful for any defense having to deal with all those pacey technical players around him.


Bakayoko could mop things up while Pogba marauds around doing what he does best.
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You are expecting something from Bakayoko that he hasn't been able to do.
 
JPRouve said:
You are expecting something from Bakayoko that he hasn't been able to do.
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With that attack ahead of him, a good defense behind him and Pogba supporting him he'll be just the man.
 
Pexbo said:
He's definitely not a Mourinho striker that's for sure.

I really wouldn't be shocked to see us go for Lukaku after Zlatan with Griezmann behind him and a destroyer behind Pogba.

Zlatan/Lukaku
Martial - Griezmann - Mkhitaryan
Pogba ---------
----- Bakayoko
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Lukaku could be deadly with that supply and equally would be a real handful for any defense having to deal with all those pacey technical players around him.


Bakayoko could mop things up while Pogba marauds around doing what he does best.
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There is just no way we're reverting to 4231, playing a no10, when clearly Jose favours the current formation, and gets the best out of Pogba. If we were going to do this, he would already be playing Mata or Mkhi there. Greizman will rotate with Zlatan up front (the latter will be 36 next year, and cant expect to start every game). Just as important as replacing Zlatan (which I think Greizman is), is replacing Carrick, and this needs to be on Jose's mind just as much, and Bakayoko isnt that man. We need a much more defensive-minded player, who is comfortable distributing the ball from the back.
 
redNATION said:
There is just no way we're reverting to 4231, playing a no10, when clearly Jose favours the current formation, and gets the best out of Pogba. If we were going to do this, he would already be playing Mata or Mkhi there. Greizman will rotate with Zlatan up front (the latter will be 36 next year, and cant expect to start every game). Just as important as replacing Zlatan (which I think Greizman is), is replacing Carrick, and this needs to be on Jose's mind just as much.
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There's no way Mourinho will purchase players to accommodate his favoured 4-2-3-1?


There's no way Griezmann is going to lead the line in a Mourinho team, I can tell you that now. He'll be played as a second striker, the role he wanted Rooney to play.
 
Pexbo said:
With that attack ahead of him, a good defense behind him and Pogba supporting him he'll be just the man.
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I don't really understand your logic, he has concentration lapses and isn't positionally good, which is why Fabinho is the destroyer next to him. You are suggesting to do a Schneiderlin mk2, take a player, ignore what he is and fantasize a role for him.
 
JPRouve said:
I don't really understand your logic, he has concentration lapses and isn't positionally good, which is why Fabinho is the destroyer next to him. You are suggesting to do a Schneiderlin mk2, take a player, ignore what he is and fantasize a role for him.
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I'll be honest I've only seen highlights of Monacos games this season and studied his stats so maybe my view of what he can be is skewed. What I have seen is a player who is physical, covers ground quickly, strong in the tackle and picks out a fair pass. I think all the potential is there for a great holding player.

Show me a 22 year old with great positioning and prefect concentration. The tools are there for me.
 
podurban2 said:
I don't see why Griezmann would be an obstacle to Martial's or Rashford's development. Neither of them play remotely close to Griezmann's position. I think the three of them could play together just fine as #11, #10, and #9.
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Could Griezmann play as a 'false 9' with those two flanking him do you think?
 
Pexbo said:
There's no way Mourinho will purchase players to accommodate his favoured 4-2-3-1?


There's no way Griezmann is going to lead the line in a Mourinho team, I can tell you that now. He'll be played as a second striker, the role he wanted Rooney to play.
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I'm not sure where you're getting you're certainty - the squad is full of n10s being shunted out wide (Rooney, Mata, Mhki) to accommodate Pogba as the 'free' midfielder - the role in which he excels. I cant see the most expensive player of all time being limited to accommodate Greizman. Jose will have noticed one thing in this winning run - the balance of the team is excellent - with a deep-lying midfielder, a ball winner and Pogba playing freely. Bakayoko doesnt have the technical skills that we need for our midfield, he'll end up another Schneiderlin. Greizman will play up front, if he comes at all. I get the feeling Jose might opt for Icardi, given he is a more traditional no9.
 
Pexbo said:
I'll be honest I've only seen highlights of Monacos games this season and studied his stats so maybe my view of what he can be is skewed. What I have seen is a player who is physical, covers ground quickly, strong in the tackle and picks out a fair pass. I think all the potential is there for a great holding player.

Show me a 22 year old with great positioning and prefect concentration. The tools are there for me.
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I just gave you one, his teammate, Fabinho who is also a better passer.

And since you have only seen highlights, Herrera is better at doing the things you described than Bakayoko. Bakayoko is having a very good season as a box to box, but he is too often lazy and doesn't track back properly, he too often switches off but fortunately he is almost all the time saved by Fabinho.
 
JPRouve said:
I just gave you one, his teammate, Fabinho who is also a better passer.

And since you have only seen highlights, Herrera is better at doing the things you described than Bakayoko. Bakayoko is having a very good season as a box to box, but he is too often lazy and doesn't track back properly, he too often switches off but fortunately he is almost all the time saved by Fabinho.
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Fair enough mate, you watch far more than I do so I'm in no position to argue. I stand by that setup for Griezmann/Pogba working though.

MounchesterUtd said:


Tap him up, Ander, tap him up :drool:
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I'm absolutely certain it's going to happen, Pogba and Martial will have him on board. He's been flirting with us for years anyway.
 
Pexbo said:
Fair enough mate, you watch far more than I do so I'm in no position to argue. I stand by that setup for Griezmann/Pogba working though.



I'm absolutely certain it's going to happen, Pogba and Martial will have him on board. He's been flirting with us for years anyway.
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I would love to see him join United but people really need to stop with the flirting thing, he hasn't flirted with anyone and he is actually fed up with all the talks about transfers.
 
Pexbo said:
He's definitely not a Mourinho striker that's for sure.

I really wouldn't be shocked to see us go for Lukaku after Zlatan with Griezmann behind him and a destroyer behind Pogba.

Zlatan/Lukaku
Martial - Griezmann - Mkhitaryan
Pogba ---------
----- Bakayoko
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Lukaku could be deadly with that supply and equally would be a real handful for any defense having to deal with all those pacey technical players around him.


Bakayoko could mop things up while Pogba marauds around doing what he does best.
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I dont see how that midfield would function at all. There's nobody there who can actually link things up or provide any element of control, unless Bakayoko has more to his game than has generally been described on the caf. Looks like a disjointed team.
 
Lately, I've warmed up to the 'Alexis > Antoine' bandwagon, but I honestly can't see it happening unless Wenger retires. Even then, there's a big chance he ends up at Italy or Bayern IMO as they have no immediate need for our money.

Going back to Griezzy, he might not be as versatile and hard working (work rate on pitch, not training habits) as Alexis, but I don't necessarily agree with him not having a place in our team. If we sign him, he'll be our #9 and will play the role that Ibra plays now which is a 9.5 anyway. I trust Jose won't pull a Van Gaal and buy him, only to completely change his game.
 
Needless to say if we buy him, Jose will know exactly what he wants to do with him in terms of position/formation etc.
 
Pogba's gonna replace Zlatan

------Pogba
------Greizmann
Martial--Midfield----RW

We've solved all of France and United's problems. World Cup for France, Champions League domination for United.
 
Pogba has the potential to become the best player in the world and Martial the best striker in the world. But with Griezmann and the problems he's going to bring, I'm afraid that it will never happen.

So I don't want Griezmann :mad:
 
Christ, are people genuinely of the opinion that one of the World's best players who most likely wants to play for us due to being a fan of the club, wouldn't be a good signing?

If Jose wants to sign him all this bickering about formations won't mean anything as I'm sure he has a system in mind.
 
Jib said:
Pogba has the potential to become the best player in the world and Martial the best striker in the world. But with Griezmann and the problems he's going to bring, I'm afraid it will never happen.

So I don't want Griezmann :mad:
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This is bollocks tbf, if Martial and Pogba are that good, they would fulfill that potential. Singing a World class player and improving the squad wouldn't hinder them from achieving that.
 
Hasn't Griezmann publicly said he has no intention of leaving Atletico and actually got angry at reporters for repeatedly asking the question? Why do we seem so confident he's coming here?
 
I'd be more worried about the formation than anything else. United have only just began to look like United when Jose switched to a 4-3-3. Antoine is an SS, a position United does not have in their current system.

Icardi would make more sense IMO
 
Womp said:
Christ, are people genuinely of the opinion that one of the World's best players who most likely wants to play for us due to being a fan of the club, wouldn't be a good signing?

If Jose wants to sign him all this bickering about formations won't mean anything as I'm sure he has a system in mind.
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Maybe just maybe, they'd rather the money be spent on another area of the team, or just give some of our current players a try out. Martial and Rashford are both going to stupendous players. I hope they don't realise their potentials elsewhere. They will both require game time as strikers, if we carry on buying established strikers then then will obviously leave. As long term neither are wingers.
 
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