Antoine Griezmann

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Any idea what kind of money we'd be paying to get him? Around £60m?

Just for general curiosity by the way. I don't really mind if we actually have to break the WR again.
 
AXVnee7 said:
Any idea what kind of money we'd be paying to get him? Around £60m?

Just for general curiosity by the way. I don't really mind if we actually have to break the WR again.
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Think his clause is at £84m or something, but Woody will probably throw in a few more to break the record again, cuz Woody.
 
AXVnee7 said:
Any idea what kind of money we'd be paying to get him? Around £60m?

Just for general curiosity by the way. I don't really mind if we actually have to break the WR again.
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His release clause is 100m euro I think which is £84m
 
Bojan11 said:
Oh God this again.

Any attacker linked with us and fans constantly ask this.

How about trying to get the best players possibles rather than worrying about individuals.
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Well I certainly wouldn't want to lose Rashford. Griezmann obviously world class but would be a kick in the teeth for Rashford. Impossible to keep everyone happy though. Personally I think it's just the press talking.
 
Philadelphian said:
How quickly people forget. Great point about ADM. And I haven't read on yet, but I imagine they will make excuses about the manager at the time, players around him, etc. when really he never got a run of games in his natural role.
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What is has natural role? As to me it looked more like ADM didn't want to be here rather than anything positional preference!
 
Lawman said:
Explain further please @Philadelphian
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Your line of thinking that we could so easily perfect two systems of play which will always have 1 of the 2 most important players out of position - is the stuff of video games and fantasy. It's hard enough to perfect 1 system, let alone 2, which is why you see the best/most consistent teams in the world buy and groom players to fit a system.

And just lay off the frigging exclamation marks. You're way too loose with them.
 
devilish said:
He can play as a forward and he's comfortable dropping deep in a no 10 role or as a left sided flank. We're talking of a guy who already scored 10 goals in 24 appearances. So I cant see why he can't play as a false 9
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He's too small to hold the ball up and offer a focal point, and he's not a dribbler like Messi or Sanchez who are the smallest false #9's. He's scored lots of goals playing off a #9, there's notihng to suggest him playing as the false 9 or any other kind of #9.
 
Philadelphian said:
Your line of thinking that we could so easily perfect two systems of play which will always have 1 of the 2 most important players out of position - is the stuff of video games and fantasy. It's hard enough to perfect 1 system, let alone 2, which is why you see the best/most consistent teams in the world buy and groom players to fit a system.

And just lay off the frigging exclamation marks. You're way too loose with them.
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Teams often change formations or alter shape match to match that you don't or won't acknowledge this is baffling. Maybe it is just your lack of football knowledge! I remember Fergie going 442 in England and 451 in Europe or the big games domestically. I do agree teams are better than individuals but I think you are way off thinking we can't get the best out of both Pogba and Griezman in the same team.

Ps no need to be a twat about exclamation marks!!!
 
Lawman said:
Teams often change formations or alter shape match to match that you don't or won't acknowledge this is baffling. Maybe it is just your lack of football knowledge! I remember Fergie going 442 in England and 451 in Europe or the big games domestically. I do agree teams are better than individuals but I think you are way off thinking we can't get the best out of both Pogba and Griezman in the same team.

Ps no need to be a twat about exclamation marks!!!
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In fairness he's not wrong regarding most of the big teams, they don't routinely swap their formations about, they only switch on certain occassions. When Fergie did it we often looked toothless post Ronaldo with the 5 man midfield and Rooney isolated up top. Ideally big teams enforce their game on others, not switch to negative a system against tough opponents. Also for Pogba it's not going to benefit his development to be moved about all of the time.

With 4-3-3 we have the ability to control midfield and have a unique #8/#10 hybrid in Pogba to link with the attack without exposing the midfield. We should be building on that and adding wide attackers who specialize in that position, to flank Ibra IMO.
 
Philadelphian said:
Your line of thinking that we could so easily perfect two systems of play which will always have 1 of the 2 most important players out of position - is the stuff of video games and fantasy. It's hard enough to perfect 1 system, let alone 2, which is why you see the best/most consistent teams in the world buy and groom players to fit a system.

And just lay off the frigging exclamation marks. You're way too loose with them.
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You're talking down to the wrong fella, I think. Just unfortunate to have chosen one of the few lads on here who would actually know exactly how this stuff works.
 
Anyone know what's going on with Atletico this season? They seem to be taking massive beatings and are currently sitting outside a top 4 spot.
 
Theafonis said:
Anyone know what's going on with Atletico this season? They seem to be taking massive beatings and are currently sitting outside a top 4 spot.
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I think a lot of it is down to the coach. He has been giving mixed signals about his future, ever since the CL final. I think the squad and Simeone are mentally exhausted.
 
Adisa said:
I think a lot of it is down to the coach. He has been giving mixed signals about his future, ever since the CL final. I think the squad and Simeone are mentally exhausted.
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Perfect time to step up and raid them. Griezmann, Carrasco and Gimenez please.
 
Adisa said:
I think a lot of it is down to the coach. He has been giving mixed signals about his future, ever since the CL final. I think the squad and Simeone are mentally exhausted.
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Let's just hope Saul wants a new challenge and huge paycheck :drool:

Given a free pick of any Atletico player he would be my choice.
 
SwansonsTache said:
Let's just hope Saul wants a new challenge and huge paycheck :drool:

Given a free pick of any Atletico player he would be my choice.
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A situation with Saul is a bit like Griezmann, though. Both are excellent players and would no doubt improve the squad, but in terms of systems and personnel Saul is pretty similar to Ander Herrera in that he's an all-action midfielder who is probably at his best in a three-man midfield as the supplementary CM.

A more orthodox winger like Carrasco would be my preference if we're cherry picking Atletico players.
 
Would be a welcome addition here but where would he play? Mkhi has the RW spot nailed down. Martial on the LW and Zlatan is up top.

Who does he replace?
 
Jaybomb said:
Would be a welcome addition here but where would he play? Mkhi has the RW spot nailed down. Martial on the LW and Zlatan is up top.

Who does he replace?
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Rooney out next summer I think?
 
I have to say that if we stick with 4-3-3 as we should, I think Griezmann could definitely excel in the role Lingard had tonight, he thrives on his movement the same as Lingard does and he has the workrate, so in retrospect it could work.
 
Devil may care said:
I have to say that if we stick with 4-3-3 as we should, I think Griezmann could definitely excel in the role Lingard had tonight, he thrives on his movement the same as Lingard does and he has the workrate, so in retrospect it could work.
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As can Mkhitaryan, thankfully.
 
Am starting to think it'll be a square peg in a round hole if we sign Griezmann, as good as he is to get the most out of him would mean a switch to playing 4-2-3-1 again which subsequently wouldn't then get the best out of Pogba
 
Jaybomb said:
Would be a welcome addition here but where would he play? Mkhi has the RW spot nailed down. Martial on the LW and Zlatan is up top.

Who does he replace?
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Any of those spots in rotation? What's he like on the wing? Martial needs competition anyway, and Ibra isn't getting any younger.

I wouldn't want someone for the sake of it though if he wouldn't fit in. Someone mentioned his best spot is number 10? So would he be better than Mata?
 
Devil may care said:
He's not the goal scorer that Griezmann is though and he can play on the left as well, so not an either/or situation.
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He scored 23 goals last season.

Any case, Mkhi on the left so that Griezmann can play on the right wing would be frivolous in the extreme. How about buying Carrasco, the guy who actually plays on the right for Griezmann's team?
 
charlenefan said:
Am starting to think it'll be a square peg in a round hole if we sign Griezmann, as good as he is to get the most out of him would mean a switch to playing 4-2-3-1 again which subsequently wouldn't then get the best out of Pogba
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We're signing him because Jose wants him. That's good enough for me.
 
As good as our midfield is, there's nobody out there who can replace Carrick so Griezmann as a 10 or tip of the midfield would take us to the next level.
Griezmann v a 25 year old Carrick is a different story. Griezmann takes our attack to an elite level which makes up for the slight control we would give up in midfield.
 
Rozay said:
He scored 23 goals last season.

Any case, Mkhi on the left so that Griezmann can play on the right wing would be frivolous in the extreme. How about buying Carrasco, the guy who actually plays on the right for Griezmann's team?
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Carrasco would cost as much, doesn't play on the right but like Mkhi is two footed, and isn't as productive as Griezmann, but I wouldn't obect to him either.
 
Devil may care said:
Carrasco would cost as much, doesn't play on the right but like Mkhi is two footed, and isn't as productive as Griezmann, but I wouldn't obect to him either.
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TBH I don't particularly think we need Carrasco either. Just an example. But yea, I can't see the need to sign Griezmann at all, and I would go as far to say that our team may even be worse for it, as we would spend ages trying to force him into the side at the cost of the balance of the team.

Personally, I think the midfield three is the strongest for us, and don't see the need for a SS.
 
Would be crazy to pass up Griezmann, he's world class and still only 25! He's the type of player that wins you trophies
 
Rozay said:
TBH I don't particularly think we need Carrasco either. Just an example. But yea, I can't see the need to sign Griezmann at all, and I would go as far to say that our team may even be worse for it, as we would spend ages trying to force him into the side at the cost of the balance of the team.

Personally, I think the midfield three is the strongest for us, and don't see the need for a SS.
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I had the same objections but watching us today Lingard played pretty much exactly how Griezmann does for Atletico in terms of making the runs in behind and his movement around the striker, so we wouldn't need to deviate from the midfield 3, simply plug Griezmann into the Lingard role and improve the quality and goal threat of the front 3.
 
PlayerOne said:
Would be crazy to pass up Griezmann, he's world class and still only 25! He's the type of player that wins you trophies
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Surely that can't be the only rationale behind signing a player?
 
Rozay said:
Surely that can't be the only rationale behind signing a player?
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It's not, but he's far too good to pass up, top five for me. He would school the defenders in the PL. Griezmann would be like Pogba, he would take us up a level.
 
Devil may care said:
I had the same objections but watching us today Lingard played pretty much exactly how Griezmann does for Atletico in terms of making the runs in behind and his movement around the striker, so we wouldn't need to deviate from the midfield 3, simply plug Griezmann into the Lingard role and improve the quality and goal threat of the front 3.
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Atletico play 4-4-2 though and playing as the 10 gets the best out of Griezmann, he's going to be no where near as effective playing wide for us, as shown for France in the summer when they only got anything out of him when they played him up front on his own
 
PlayerOne said:
It's not, but he's far too good to pass up, top five for me. He would school the defenders in the PL. Griezmann would be like Pogba, he would take us up a level.
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Perhaps he is a top 5 player. I'm not advocating we sign rubbish instead. I'd rather we signed a current, or future top 5 centre forward who can lead the line instead though, as this is what we need.

And I'm not sure he'd transform us anyway. As good as he is, he isn't that much of a great individual player, if you get what I mean. He's the epitome of a forward who excels as part of a cohesive unit, he won't just win games on his own for his team. He's more the finishing touch to a working system, and my belief is that he will not be part of such a system at United, as our personnel is not set up for us to include him as part of a great system. He's no Neymar, who I might agree with you if we were talking about him, who you sign just because he produces such magic that beats teams alone.

Griezmann will struggle if the unit struggles. Balance is particularly important for him.
 
Theafonis said:
Anyone know what's going on with Atletico this season? They seem to be taking massive beatings and are currently sitting outside a top 4 spot.
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I think it was a matter of time. They do have a talented squad (with Griezmann the obvious star) but I think they've been punching slightly above their weight in recent years with such a budgeted squad.

Whether it's a temporary blip or something more permanent is yet to be seen. My gut feeling says a few clubs will start to eclipse them though, and I dont think we'll see them in any more CL finals for a while
 
Theafonis said:
Anyone know what's going on with Atletico this season? They seem to be taking massive beatings and are currently sitting outside a top 4 spot.
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When I watched the Villareal vs Atletico match (which they lost 2-0) they said Simeone tried playing a more expansive style of football and they were struggling under it at home. Plus there's uncertainty about him leaving
 
Did not jose sign 3 players from atletico for chelsea?Time to do it again.carrasco,griezmann,koke please:drool:
 
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