Remember ADM? A player is as good as the system you build around them, we can already see the challenges of playing him and Pogba in their preferred positions so its not a stretch to conclude that if we get AG one them will suffer or the system will get clogged going forward with too many players gravitating towards the hole in behind. I think we need a winger more than an AM.
Antoine Griezmann
- Thread starter MounchesterUtd
- Start date
- Status
Same thing we all heard from putting Ronaldo, Benzema and Bale on the same 11, or Messi, Suarez and Neymar.
It's even easier with Griezmann, he barely played as a CAM until two seasons ago, he was a left winger for most of his career, And we're talking about a guy that has enough quality to fill almost any attacking position, there's no need to limit him to a single position as if he was Fellaini 2.0
Also, worst part about not signing Griezmann would be that then you have to play against him, even if he delivers at 80% is still more than many other players and you save the problem of him signing for Arsenal, Chelsea or City
And we are talking about a player who wasn't playing at that level when he was a left winger and no it has nothing to do with the players you mentioned since their positions are very obviously not the same and pretty complementary.
Agree with this. As odd as it would be to reject such a talented player, I think that signing Griezmann would present as many questions as answers, whereas Aubameyang would instantly improve the team. The biggest question mark would be over Rashford's future but, that aside, Aubameyang would be a seamless fit.
We don't have a chance of signing Aubameyang though.
I think Jose will morph our midfield into a midfield 2 and would use Griezmann just behind our number 9. Use his workrate to help out the midfield when needed.
We have no idea what Jose expects from his side, if we do sign Antoine then we should take our clues from that.
I think Jose will morph our midfield into a midfield 2 and would use Griezmann just behind our number 9. Use his workrate to help out the midfield when needed.
We have no idea what Jose expects from his side, if we do sign Antoine then we should take our clues from that.
Why is everyone so confident about this transfer? Is it based on Griezmann saying he'd want to play in the Premier League and happens to be friends with Paul?
Isnt that enough? The Pogba transfer started out in similar fashion.
That's not what he said, he said that if he had to leave Spain it would be for the PL not for PSG.
People keep putting Griezmann wide in their formations, but Real Sociedad Griezmann wasn't the £89M player, it's SS Griezmann at Atletico that has bagged all the goals and seen his value triple.
Exactly, it would be like purchasing Schweinsteiger in 2010 to play him as a right winger instead of CM.
He also said he asked Pogba about United, that Beckham is one of his idols and his brother also happens to be a United fan.
And he said that he asked the same thing to other french players playing in PL. And it was once again an oriented question about the topic of the conversions in the french team.
Jose has shown that he plans his transfers well and to fit into his system. If we sign griezmann, Jose will play him to his strengths.
How quickly people forget. Great point about ADM. And I haven't read on yet, but I imagine they will make excuses about the manager at the time, players around him, etc. when really he never got a run of games in his natural role.
I think that Carrasco or Bernardo Silva would actually be better fits in the current system, it's a lot to expect Griezmann to perform the same from the right as he is at SS.
Madrid and Barcelona also play their ideal formation all the time. They don't tell Messi, Ronnie, Modric, Neymar etc, "Ok, you'll play in your preferred position for these games and then we'll stick you here for the big games." Because it's not smart to do that. They've figured out a system to maximize their best players' talents all the time.
Carrasco would be perfect.
Great point, switching back and forth between 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 all of the time isn't condusive to building chemistry and turning a team into a well oiled machine.
Yea, dare I call that type of managing the stuff of someone who spends their time in Football Manager, @Lawman ?
Which came to the fore when things didn't go his way and a player's is most likely to rear its ugly head when things on the pitch aren't going their way for a sustained period. If we bring Griezmann and fail to utilize both he and Pogba and end up shoehorning the other one player is going to suffer and they would have cost an absolute fortune in fees and wages for it not to be a huge shame. We bought Pogba for a ridiculous fee let's build the team around his strengths and we aren't very far from achieving that - a Martial(new left wing signing) and Mkhitaryan combo flanking Ibrahimovic looks to be the way to go. Just sign a back up for Martial, a replacement for Carrick and a replacement for Ibrahimovic then let the team evolve.
I hope this is Jose's plan.
This.
True, when a player is asked to play out of his comfort zone and compound that with the ills of adjusting into a new team and league the results can be catastrophic.
this.
People saying he doesn't seem a Jose player. Historically I'm inclined to agree, but let's not forget that we all thought Mata and Blind wouldn't see the light of day under Jose and yet here we are with Mata playing regularly and Blind even at CB. He's clearly under instruction to try and play more attractive football. Maybe Griezman fits this new profile.
He didn't want to leave Madrid and the team he wanted to join if he had to leave were PSG. He was never interested here from the start.
But Mata was dropped as soon as Henrik was ready and Blind is no longer a CB option and just a second or third option at LB. Don't think Jose is taking any instructions from anyone. Maybe ever.
Much as I'd love him at Old Trafford I just cant see it. Where would it leave Rashford if he came?
Mata has been dropped in favour of Mkhitaryan, but he's still a key player for Jose as things stand. I'm fact, Henrik was dropped for Mata too. Blind also played a lot of games as our CB at the beginning of the season too. I'm not saying theyll be his starting Xi every week but they're clearly in his plans. Also, he clearly is taking instructions, from recent interviews you can tell he's been told to try play more attractive football. A recent interview where he talked about playing less pragmatic football was pretty telling.
Griezmann would be an ultimate vanity purpose, and the clamour for him to sign so that we can then alter the way we play is almost computer game-like.
Personally, I can't see any logical set-up in which we would be able to get the best out of him and our other good players. That is not how you build a team, otherwise we should just sign Manuel Neuer too, on the basis that he is very good. It is surely a straight-forward process to deduce that, if we do not need a second striker, we should not buy a second striker.
In my opinion, we should be looking for a centre-forward if anything, as the one we have in our team is 35 with a year left on his deal. That makes logical sense. Even if some think that Rashford will take over, we still need another striker in the squad to replace him then.
Personally, I can't see any logical set-up in which we would be able to get the best out of him and our other good players. That is not how you build a team, otherwise we should just sign Manuel Neuer too, on the basis that he is very good. It is surely a straight-forward process to deduce that, if we do not need a second striker, we should not buy a second striker.
In my opinion, we should be looking for a centre-forward if anything, as the one we have in our team is 35 with a year left on his deal. That makes logical sense. Even if some think that Rashford will take over, we still need another striker in the squad to replace him then.
I agree with you on the notion that Griezemann would be a vanity buy and we don't really need to buy a second striker, but wouldn't he be the ideal replacement for Wayne Rooney? The way we play now sees Pogba play as a No 10 or as part of a midfield 3. Griezemann's supposed best position would be as a No 10. Assuming Mourinho's long term plan is to have Rashford as the central striker, would mean, our front 6 would look something like this;
CDM - Pogba
Mkhitaryan - Griezemann - Martial
Rahsford
I do agree that he's not what we need as a midfielder is top priority especially if Carrick calls it his time and Schmidfield leave as well. Getting a player to alternate with Rashford is also key like you highlighted, but considering Rashford has mentioned that he would like to play as a No 10 in the future means, Griezemann and him can do a lot of swapping around. The movement the front 4 will offer will be just ridiculously delectable and with Pogba and hopefully a good Carrick replacement, there will be passers in the team who can pick up this movement. Mkhitaryan - Griezemann - Martial
Rahsford
As you can easily see, I am personally torn on this one.
I agree with you on the notion that Griezemann would be a vanity buy and we don't really need to buy a second striker, but wouldn't he be the ideal replacement for Wayne Rooney? The way we play now sees Pogba play as a No 10 or as part of a midfield 3. Griezemann's supposed best position would be as a No 10. Assuming Mourinho's long term plan is to have Rashford as the central striker, would mean, our front 6 would look something like this;
CDM - PogbaI do agree that he's not what we need as a midfielder is top priority especially if Carrick calls it his time and Schmidfield leave as well. Getting a player to alternate with Rashford is also key like you highlighted, but considering Rashford has mentioned that he would like to play as a No 10 in the future means, Griezemann and him can do a lot of swapping around. The movement the front 4 will offer will be just ridiculously delectable and with Pogba and hopefully a good Carrick replacement, there will be passers in the team who can pick up this movement.
Mkhitaryan - Griezemann - Martial
Rahsford
As you can easily see, I am personally torn on this one.
Of course Griezmann would be the perfect replacement for Wayne Rooney, given both are second strikers. Importantly though, he would be a perfect replacement in a team who is looking for a replacement for Wayne Rooney. We are not such team. Rooney has already been replaced in our team, and not by another second striker. If Griezmann signs, he will be replacing someone else in our first team, not Rooney, who is a sub.
But we don't know what sort of team Jose wants us to be as of yet. Those stories about needing a couple of transfer windows to fix our squad doesn't add up with this notion that we are set bar a replacement for Carrick and a partner for Bailly.
We've played with a number 10 this season a lot more than we've played with a 3 man midfield. Maybe if Jose had a 10 that he trusts rather than Rooney and Mata then we might not have abandoned it.
Jose has always played with a 10 in his sides. He even molded Lampard into a hybrid monster to suit his style.
True, but he can also be a replacement for Zlatan as well. It may not be his best position, but like I mentioned, with all the interchanging possibilities (I've seen Mkhi pop up all over the place), the position would be a mere formality.
On the bench where he belongs, that is where most 19 year olds are in big teams. Rashford had a magical patch when he started and is now leveling off and finding his way, which is natural, we can't build a team around whether or not a teenager can be the attacking focal point in 3 or 4 seasons.
Muppet signing. Someone like Mahrez would be far more practical.
Deep midfielder and possibly a wingback are the other immediate concerns.
Worldy striker for 2018.
Deep midfielder and possibly a wingback are the other immediate concerns.
Worldy striker for 2018.
Exactly, Rashford is a great talent and deserves playtime to continue to develop, but he's been relatively disappointing this season simply because expectations were too high. He has a great future and will continue to develop, but turning down a player like Griezmann in hopes Rashford turns into him (I mean at best Rashford becomes equally as good as him right?) would be detrimental to the betterment of the team. Honestly this would affect Martial more than Rashford imo.
Oh God this again.
Any attacker linked with us and fans constantly ask this.
How about trying to get the best players possibles rather than worrying about individuals.
He can play as a forward and he's comfortable dropping deep in a no 10 role or as a left sided flank. We're talking of a guy who already scored 10 goals in 24 appearances. So I cant see why he can't play as a false 9
It would affect neither. Martial is going to develop into a wide forward ala Neymar while Rashord is young enough to be cover/competition for any center forward we get post Zlatan and Rooney.
- Status