Antoine Griezmann

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I would much rather prefer Lukaku in 2018 and probably a winger (depending on how Martial develops). We have much more pressing concerns than signing a superstar striker.

This year , we have to get couple of midfielders to replace Carrick, Bastian & Morgan.
 
charlenefan said:
Atletico play 4-4-2 though and playing as the 10 gets the best out of Griezmann, he's going to be no where near as effective playing wide for us, as shown for France in the summer when they only got anything out of him when they played him up front on his own
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Atleti don't play a strict 4-4-2 though, if you look at most of their games they have a player like Carrasco or Correa on one wing and a CM like Koke or Saul on the other, so it often morphs into more of a 4-3-3. I'm not saying there aren't risks and he wouldn't be my first choice.

Rozay said:
Perhaps he is a top 5 player. I'm not advocating we sign rubbish instead. I'd rather we signed a current, or future top 5 centre forward who can lead the line instead though, as this is what we need.
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I agree we are going to need another striker, we already know we have an expiry date on our current #9 and unless Jose converts Martial I don't think the next United #9 lies in the squad, but you don't think we also need to add extra wide quality?
 
bond19821982 said:
I would much rather prefer Lukaku in 2018 and probably a winger (depending on how Martial develops). We have much more pressing concerns than signing a superstar striker.

This year , we have to get couple of midfielders to replace Carrick, Bastian & Morgan.
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I couldn't think of a more overpriced option than Lukaku, he's not good enoiugh and much more limited than what we should be aiming for.
 
Devil may care said:
Atleti don't play a strict 4-4-2 though, if you look at most of their games they have a player like Carrasco or Correa on one wing and a CM like Koke or Saul on the other, so it often morphs into more of a 4-3-3. I'm not saying there aren't risks and he wouldn't be my first choice.



I agree we are going to need another striker, we already know we have an expiry date on our current #9 and unless Jose converts Martial I don't think the next United #9 lies in the squad, but you don't think we also need to add extra wide quality?
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Perhaps we do need extra wide quality, in which case, I would advocate us signing a winger, of course.
 
bond19821982 said:
I would much rather prefer Lukaku in 2018 and probably a winger (depending on how Martial develops). We have much more pressing concerns than signing a superstar striker.

This year , we have to get couple of midfielders to replace Carrick, Bastian & Morgan.
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We don't have to 'replace them' as they haven't been of any significance to us. Carrick I do agree.
 
Rozay said:
Perhaps we do need extra wide quality, in which case, I would advocate us signing a winger, of course.
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The thing is we aren't using wingers, we are using wide forwards like most teams these days, I guess the contention here is whether you feel Griezmann can play that role.
 
bond19821982 said:
I would much rather prefer Lukaku in 2018 and probably a winger (depending on how Martial develops). We have much more pressing concerns than signing a superstar striker.

This year , we have to get couple of midfielders to replace Carrick, Bastian & Morgan.
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Over Griezmann? You're Lukakukoo mate.
 
Is this going to be the official thread for the summer too? If so, I better get muppetting.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Over Griezmann? You're Lukakukoo mate.
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Yes - only 23 and will be 25 in 2018. Will be entering his peak.

Griezmann - as good as he is, he doesn't have a physicality to play a Mourinho forward and I wouldnt need him as a winger.
 
Devil may care said:
I couldn't think of a more overpriced option than Lukaku, he's not good enoiugh and much more limited than what we should be aiming for.
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he is inconsistent now but that's down to his age though. He will be one of best forwards in 2-3 years time. A true beast ! And I am talking about getting him in 2018 after Zlatan's contract is up !
 
bond19821982 said:
he is inconsistent now but that's down to his age though. He will be one of best forwards in 2-3 years time. A true beast ! And I am talking about getting him in 2018 after Zlatan's contract is up !
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It's not about him being inconsistent, it's about the fact he's limited and not good enough as a footballer, we'd be better off just developing Martial into a #9 than paying some ludicrous £70M fee for Lukaku, strikers need to have more than he has at top clubs.
 
Still dunno about this. Really good player, but for the amount of money Griezmann will end up costing, we could instead line up like this:

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---Martial----------Aubameyang---------Mkhitaryan---

All three are quick, and as a bonus - scorching pace behind the central defenders and genuine ability to get on the end of rapid counters through the middle on a consistent basis, which we've lacked for a while now (even in Van Persie's debut season). Aubameyang and Mkhitaryan have proven chemistry from their Dortmund days, too (where they scored 59 goals and created 30 assists):



Plus, we'll likely be deviating from Griezmann's peak as a Müller-esque support striker/pseudo 10 at United, unless Pogba is forced into midfield 2 - which just seems counterproductive. If the club really wants to sign an Atlético attacker, then Carrasco makes more sense for United:

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---Carrasco--------Martial--------Mkhitaryan---

Carrasco is really coming into his own - having scored 10 goals in 19 games this season vs 9 goals in 21 games for Griezmann. A quicker player as well, and comfortable in wider areas. In central areas - Martial is a bit of an imperfect fit as a non-Porto Mourinho #9 given his experience with Drogba and Milito and Benzema (slight deviation from the norm) and Costa - who all had better hold up ability and presence in the face of opposition central defender), but some of it can be improved upon by coaching, and learning the fundamentals from Ibrahimović. Could stand to polish his scoring consistency (which hasn't improved that much since the move from Monaco TBH) and ability to run into proper channels, too, but he's only young and should get better with time.
 
Devil may care said:
It's not about him being inconsistent, it's about the fact he's limited and not good enough as a footballer, we'd be better off just developing Martial into a #9 than paying some ludicrous £70M fee for Lukaku, strikers need to have more than he has at top clubs.
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beg to differ and no one said this when we had RVN, Chelsea had Drogba/Costa . But I guess that's a different topic for discussion. Leaving thread for Griezmann related discussions
 
I have been watching Carrasco for the past three years or so and boy what a player he has become! He's quick, athletic, always willing to put a shift in and his dribbling skills are great. His finishing also got a lot better over the years.

Carrasco on the left and Mkhitaryan on the right could work. I'd rather have Carrasco on the wing for us than Griezmann. He's much more of a physical presence and I think that suits a Mourinho team better. Is Griezmann the wide forward we're looking for and more importantly will he able to play this role? Maybe, but I would go with Carrasco.
 
It would be truly shocking if Atletico doesn't sell him at the end of the season. They will show him the exit door.
 
A great player but I don't want him, not now anyway because he'd disrupt other players too much. Pogba is best in a 4-3-3 which would only work if Griezmann is the striker but Zlatan is staying another year at least. On the wings we have Martial and Mkhi who can be world class on their day and Griezmann is best in the centre. If we sign him to replace Zlatan when he leaves that would be great but I don't think he's a typical Mourinho centre forward. The main priority should be a like for like replacement for Carrick.
 
Fraud said:
It would be truly shocking if Atletico doesn't sell him at the end of the season. They will show him the exit door.
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They will most likely be banned from buying players, so it wouldn't be a surprise if they refused to sell him.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
If it's true that he has a release clause which United are willing to meet, they don't really have much choice
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I don't think release clauses in Spain is that easy for foreign teams to activate, as seen by the Bilbao saga with Martinez/Herrera transfers.

Atletico could make it very difficult for us.
 
bond19821982 said:
beg to differ and no one said this when we had RVN, Chelsea had Drogba/Costa . But I guess that's a different topic for discussion. Leaving thread for Griezmann related discussions
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RvN played in a partnership though and Drogba and Costa have a lot more in their game than Lukaku.
 
Fraud said:
It would be truly shocking if Atletico doesn't sell him at the end of the season. They will show him the exit door.
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Where is this coming from?

If Simeone does leave then I would imagine he is out of the door too, would be a difficult signing but 100% Pogba is already having a word.
 
It's just an hypothesis. That team sells a lot and some club will be dumb enough to pay his release clause.

They are investing a lot in Wanda, also. That requires a lot of money, too.
 
Fraud said:
It's just an hypothesis. That team sells a lot and some club will be dumb enough to pay his release clause.

They are investing a lot in Wanda, also. That requires a lot of money, too.
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Icardi will definitely call his thugs.
 
Devil may care said:
The thing is we aren't using wingers, we are using wide forwards like most teams these days, I guess the contention here is whether you feel Griezmann can play that role.
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I think he 'can' play there, but then that isn't really the point. Rashford 'can' play as a winger, although it's clear that it isn't his position. Griezmann has excelled and become a top player in one specific role over the past 3 years or so. That is the role he should be played in.
 
I think this is nailed on if Jose wants him.

Plenty of highly paid surplus players on our books to shift to cover Griezmann's wages.
 
We'll definitely buy him in the summer.

In all probability it will be him in a free roaming left forward role. It's difficult to envisage him and Pogba together down the middle.
 
Great player, love him, but will he fit into the system? We should stay with the 4-3-3 formation, in which case, I don't know how Grizzie's gonna fit in.
 
Fraud said:
It's just an hypothesis. That team sells a lot and some club will be dumb enough to pay his release clause.

They are investing a lot in Wanda, also. That requires a lot of money, too.
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And Wanda is fickle and will always go for the highest bidder. Just ask Maxi Lopez
 
bond19821982 said:
I would much rather prefer Lukaku in 2018 and probably a winger (depending on how Martial develops). We have much more pressing concerns than signing a superstar striker.

This year , we have to get couple of midfielders to replace Carrick, Bastian & Morgan.
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Absolutley don't agree

Our conversion rate in front of goal is laughable someone as clinical as Griezmann would make a huge difference in our play. Right now we all look at Zlatan to score our goals and latley Mkhitaryan but for the rest it has been very poor. Someone like Griezmann is a priority signing. Lukaku is still one or two levels below what we need in a player to carry our attack (also no way he will still be on the market in 2018, he is so gone this year). Griezmann is top quality, only needs to let Ronaldo and Messi go infront of him.

For the rest we only need to find a replacement for Carrick. Bastian and Morgan have hardly ever played and our completley not important for our current squad so they don't really need replacing. Atleast it is not a priority. With Pogba, Herrera, Fellaini and Blind we have an adequate midfield as it is, add a good replacement for Carrick and we are golden. We absolutley don't need a couple of midfielders, just 1 in case Carrick leaves is good enough.

Priority for me is:

1: Griezmann either as main striker or as a partner for Zlatan upfront
2: Replacement for Carrick as a controlling midfielder
3: Replacement for Depay who can compete with Martial for the LW position (RW we are golden with Mkhitaryan)
4: A good leftback because Darmian is complete shit and shaw seems to be very unreliable fitness wise
5: A proper ball playing centreback to partner Bailly

Add those profiles to the team and we will start to look like title winning material again.
 
I usually keep my inner Muppet well in check. That said, I'm fairly certain he'll break Pogba's transfer record and be at United next summer.

Why not? He's 25, brilliant and very soon Ibra/Rooney/Mata will be out the door.
 
BlueCelery said:
Very good player but massively overrated on here.
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Uhm nr 3 in the ballon d'or

He has been Atlético's most important player in attack

Since he has been with atletico he has scored 66 goals and assisted 19 times in 128 games which are huge stats and he hasn't always played as a main striker aswell.

He has not only shown himself at Atlético, he was also huge for Real sociedad and he has shown his quality also for the french national team on numerous occassions, easily been their best player on the euros.

How can we possibly overrate him ? Only Ronaldo and Messi have been better and more influential than him in attack.
 
Zlatan
Martial Griezman Myktarin
Pogba Herrera
Shaw Bailly Smalling Valencia
DDG

Looks mouthwatering to me!
 
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