Antoine Griezmann

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-------------Zlatan---------------

Martial---Griezmann-----Mkhi---

---------Herrera---Pogba---------

Is surely the only way to go? Might limit Pogba though...
 
Eckers99 said:
-------------Zlatan---------------

Martial---Griezmann-----Mkhi---

---------Herrera---Pogba---------

Is surely the only way to go? Might limit Pogba though...
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Be better to just have him as our main striker instead of Zlatan.
 
Easy solution would be that by next year (assuming we kept most of our current XI and just added him).. we are phasing Zlatan out of the side.

At home vs bottom half of the table.. go 4-4-2/4-2-3-1

Herrera Pogba
Mkhi Griezmann Martial
Zlatan
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Away from home or against top sides...

CDM
Herrera Pogba
Mkhi Griezmann Martial​
 
Eckers99 said:
-------------Zlatan---------------

Martial---Griezmann-----Mkhi---

---------Herrera---Pogba---------

Is surely the only way to go? Might limit Pogba though...
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The same dilemma the French national side faced at the Euros. Pogba is at his best driving forward from a midfield three, Griezmann needs 4-4-2/4-2-3-1.
 
Infra-red said:
The same dilemma the French national side faced at the Euros. Pogba is at his best driving forward from a midfield three, Griezmann needs 4-4-2/4-2-3-1.
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He is learning and will adapt to a 2, hes actually had very good games in a 2 for us already
 
devilish said:
erm no

----------Carrick----------
-------Herrera----Pogba----

Mkhitaryan--------------Martial
--------------Griezmann-----

Makes much more sense
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I think that line up would be better with a real striker instead of Griezmann. I could imagine him to be quite similar to Thomas Müller in this case, Müller's best position is second striker too and he doesn't really work as a real 9. Who knows if Griezmann does.
 
As fantastic as these line ups are looking, it's a little worrying that there's no room for Rashford.
 
Infra-red said:
The same dilemma the French national side faced at the Euros. Pogba is at his best driving forward from a midfield three, Griezmann needs 4-4-2/4-2-3-1.
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I don't think Griezmann needs a 442 or a 4231, it just happens that Deschamps and Simeone like to have a pivot. Just think about this Diego Costa used to play Griezmann's current role with Raul Garcia as the actual focal point.

Griezmann is currently playing really well as a second striker but he could definitely have the same role than Suarez for Barcelona.
 
Griezmann to United is one of the most obvious transfers out there. I'm not saying it will happen, but it should. He's just the type of player we should go for (like Pogba's case): a top class player playing for a team that is a tier below the elite clubs (United, Barcelona, Real, Bayern).
 
schwalbe said:
I think that line up would be better with a real striker instead of Griezmann. I could imagine him to be quite similar to Thomas Müller in this case, Müller's best position is second striker too and he doesn't really work as a real 9. Who knows if Griezmann does.
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I think that a false nine backed by Pogba and two top quality inside forwards capable of scoring goals would do well in the EPL. All our forwards will be able to switch roles making our forward line unpredictable and impossible to mark
 
Devil may care said:
Jose isn't going to turn into Klopp or Wenger though, he likes his focal point #9, same as Ancelotti, Conte and Zidane, plus Griezmann isn't a false 9 anyway as his biggest threat is his second man runs off the striker.
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I think we've had this conversation before.
 
AltiUn said:
Be better to just have him as our main striker instead of Zlatan.
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For me personally I'd have Griezmann playing as a striker and let the front 3 to switch around but Jose likes his big, powerful target man (a la Costa/Drogba) doesn't he? Can't see him going against type to be honest.
 
If we had an obvious place for him in the team then I would be 100% certain of this happening.

As it stands I think Jose might be more after the pieces of the puzzle that he feels are missing.
 
Eckers99 said:
For me personally I'd have Griezmann playing as a striker and let the front 3 to switch around but Jose likes his big, powerful target man (a la Costa/Drogba) doesn't he? Can't see him going against type to be honest.
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He likes Benzema who is a good athlete but isn't a big target man, as long as his striker scores goals Mourinho will be fine.
 
Could we copy Juventus' 3-5-2 with the holding midfielder to make Pogba + Griezmann work in the same side? Probably not worthwhile going out of our way so much for it but:

De Gea

Blind
Smalling
Bailly

Shaw
Pogba
Carrick
Herrera
Mkhitaryan

Griezmann/Ibra
Martial/Rashford

That gives you two strikers to make Griezmann function (bonus Ibra + Griezmann combo gives you pace and a target man), and a 3 man midfield for Pogba. I have Shaw and Mkhi as LWB because Mkhi tracks back and has a defensive work rate while shaw seems like the sensible choice on the left.

I put Blind in the back 3 because you want someone who can bring it out from the back. Van Dijk for Smalling might be a good swap as you have another player who can pass reasonably well in there.

Unfortunately I don't think Mourinho would ever go for 3 at the back.
 
If he comes here, i think Martial will suffer the most and that's why i'm not sure about it.

In an ideal world, a front three of Martial, Zlatan and Mkhitaryan is enough firepower, with Pogba and Ander also chipping in with a few goals.

Of course, Martial is on a bit of slump form wise, but i have confidence in him turning it around.

A player like Griezmann would need support players around him and Martial isn't that type of player, at least not yet. They both need to be a focal point of the team to really shine.
 
Think he will play the Sanchez/Suarez role. Don't see why he can't excel there.
 
AXVnee7 said:
As fantastic as these line ups are looking, it's a little worrying that there's no room for Rashford.
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Whilst I am a huge advocate for young players I believe its also upon them to force the manager to notice them through performances. We can not hesitate on strengthening the team on Rashford or any other young player's account because the club's interests should always come first and we have been in the wilderness for three seasons too long. We also play a lot of competitions where younger players can cut their teeth, establish themselves first as squad players and then hopefully dislodge a superstar with time.
 
Adisa said:
Think he will play the Sanchez/Suarez role. Don't see why he can't excel there.
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??? Suarez is nothing like Sanchez, and Griezman is nothing like neither of them...

My main concern with Griezmann is the physicality of PL. He is a very slim and short guy. I also think he would preform best as a second striker i 4-4-2 or as a 10 in our 4-2-3-1. When I hear people talking about him as an Ibra replacement then I know they have never seen him play.
 
devilish said:
I think we've had this conversation before.
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I recall our discussions over midifeld and I know you have this wish for Jose to become a football hipster and ditch his proper #9, but I didn't recall you suggesting playing a guy as a false 9 when he isn't one and hasn't got the tools for it either.
 
Holters said:
??? Suarez is nothing like Sanchez, and Griezman is nothing like neither of them...

My main concern with Griezmann is the physicality of PL. He is a very slim and short guy. I also think he would preform best as a second striker i 4-4-2 or as a 10 in our 4-2-3-1. When I hear people talking about him as an Ibra replacement then I know they have never seen him play.
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Who says they are alike. They are both non traditional No 9s but SS who play up top for their clubs. Sanchez is not a bigger player than Griezmann has played up top for Atletico before.
 
Nick. said:
Could we copy Juventus' 3-5-2 with the holding midfielder to make Pogba + Griezmann work in the same side? Probably not worthwhile going out of our way so much for it but:

De Gea

Blind
Smalling
Bailly

Shaw
Pogba
Carrick
Herrera
Mkhitaryan

Griezmann/Ibra
Martial/Rashford

That gives you two strikers to make Griezmann function (bonus Ibra + Griezmann combo gives you pace and a target man), and a 3 man midfield for Pogba. I have Shaw and Mkhi as LWB because Mkhi tracks back and has a defensive work rate while shaw seems like the sensible choice on the left.

I put Blind in the back 3 because you want someone who can bring it out from the back. Van Dijk for Smalling might be a good swap as you have another player who can pass reasonably well in there.

Unfortunately I don't think Mourinho would ever go for 3 at the back.
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Looks awful
 
Think Zlatan will still be a starter next year, which would mean if Griezmann does come he'd probably play on the right with Mkhi on the left.

Jose will keep the three man midfield.
 
There's not a chance he comes to play up front by himself.

Not a single successful Jose team has played with a diminutive forward up top. It's always been the likes of Costa, Drogba, Ibra, Benzema.

If he comes, he plays behind Zlatan or another monster forward who we're yet to sign.

How good is he at raiding from the flanks?
 
CaptainBirdseye said:
Irrelevant as it might be, it will never cease to annoy me how a bloke called 'Phil Brown' has successfully conned about 80% of the Internet into calling him Pilib de Brun like some sort of bizarre ITK conquistador
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He's Irish. Have a guess what you get when you translate Philip Brown into Gaelic? Go on, just have a guess...
 
Nick. said:
Could we copy Juventus' 3-5-2 with the holding midfielder to make Pogba + Griezmann work in the same side? Probably not worthwhile going out of our way so much for it but:

De Gea

Blind
Smalling
Bailly

Shaw
Pogba
Carrick
Herrera
Mkhitaryan

Griezmann/Ibra
Martial/Rashford

That gives you two strikers to make Griezmann function (bonus Ibra + Griezmann combo gives you pace and a target man), and a 3 man midfield for Pogba. I have Shaw and Mkhi as LWB because Mkhi tracks back and has a defensive work rate while shaw seems like the sensible choice on the left.

I put Blind in the back 3 because you want someone who can bring it out from the back. Van Dijk for Smalling might be a good swap as you have another player who can pass reasonably well in there.

Unfortunately I don't think Mourinho would ever go for 3 at the back.
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Isn't that a bit pointless? You'd make Mkhi a wingback, which would hamper his offensive play. Not only that, no Valencia.
 
AltiUn said:
Be better to just have him as our main striker instead of Zlatan.
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He can play false 9 very well. Wouldn't mind having Griezmann there to be honest, and have Martial, Pogba and Mkhitaryan behind him. And still have the options of Mata, Rashford and hopefully a pacy winger.
 
Eckers99 said:
-------------Zlatan---------------

Martial---Griezmann-----Mkhi---

---------Herrera---Pogba---------

Is surely the only way to go? Might limit Pogba though...
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Looks sensational though maybe an upgrade on Herrera!
 
Maybe i'm the only exception but i don't think he's very good to be honest. A good player but won't take us to the next level with the price that he's touted at
 
Love him, but don't think he would replace Zlatan in Jose's system even after Zlatan leaves. Wouldn't take Henrik's spot. After we see at the end of this year what Pogba is capable of in a 3 man midfield, would be surprised to see Jose push him back into a 2 man midfield. Also don't think he's more important than Carrick's replacement. If Martial / Rashford make no claim on the other wide forward spot (or if they do make a claim on the NO. 9 post-Zlatan then the other wide forward is the only spot for him, with he and Henrik switching or whatever.

But an emphatic no to pushing Pogba back for him.
 
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