I have no idea when or who, or even what it truly means
Antoine Griezmann
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I just felt like he was destined to come to us a long time ago. I know Mourinho wanted him a couple years ago and then when he became our manager it just gave him an even stronger platform to get him.
Which is our attackers get in Chelsea's team? Tottenham's? City's? Their starting 11 or even the bench.
You could say only Ibra is a candidate. Our attack isn't that good at the moment.
Perhaps Rashford/Martial improve next season and subsequently our attack improves, but I'm not going to pin my hopes on them and I sure hope the club doesn't.
Martial, Rashford and Ibra. Micky as well if you count him as attacker
I have no idea when or who, or even what it truly means
But you'd better not kill the groove...
They don't. Martial is nowhere near Hazard, isn't as good as Sane (by this season's standards) or Dele Alli/Eriksen. Rashford I agree could do well in those sides, still not better than Kane though. Mkhitryan isn't better than Eriksen, Hazard, Silva or KDB.
Our squad is highly overrated by some on here, it's baffling. Martial was very good this season, bar moments here and there, he's been poor as feck this season. He's shown he can still do it in flashes, just looks like he stops giving a feck the first time it doesn't go his way, look at the Swansea game for an example. Was skinning their FB and the first time it didn't go off his influence on the game waned.
A lot of our squad is talented, but still inexperienced, which plays a big part. Rashford's cross in the Swansea game is an example of that, he dribbled past 2-3(?) Swansea players to the byline and then instead of tapping it low and hard to Martial, he smashed it out of the field.
No chance would they get into their team, ibra yes but we won't have him next year
Micky maybe but not on current form
There's no reason to say Mikhi or Mata couldn't get into Chelsea or Spurs' starting XI. Martial and Rashford might not, but when everyone's fit they barely even get into ours (again, they are just kids who are still developing). And quite frankly, I always feel that comparing one team to another in the way you're describing is a real fallacy, different players are required for different purposes. What I do know is that when Mikhi and Mata start together, we literally look like a different team.
I agree that Martial and Rashford shouldn't be relied upon exclusively, but I don't think they are, and with one (maybe two) additions in attack I think we'll be more than ready to challenge for the title next season. For me, the question is not how many, the question is who? There aren't that many clear cut options in the form of out-and-out strikers out there right now.
I said they would get into their teams, and they would. Martial and Rashford would both get into the Chelsea team ahead of Pedro, both into the City team ahead of Jesus, Rashford over Sane as well, Martial probably similar level. Both over Son. After last season you would have probably been laughed off claiming that Eriksen is better then Micky by most people in the caf (not me btw), i rate both of them very highly..hard to decide whom to pick, probably on form.
On paper all of us 4 are pretty evenly matched in the attack having the full squad available. Which clearly shows who made the best business lately (hello London), and who didn't do such a good business (hello Manchester) regarding the money that was spent.
Martial hasn't been good this season but I think he was better in his first season than Sané. Sané has had about 2 months of good form (about 10-15 games) and he's turned bad again. That's not taking anything away from Sané put rather putting Martial's perfomances into perspective.
Have to remember, Martial came to use raw, was unleashed on the league and was great. But a whole season of LvG has to drain you a bit and then in comes a manager that wants different things from you so you have to change. He's done that recently and imo is on the up. Would like to see him more up top.
Griezmann would be great for us. I don't think there's a attacker in the club that wouldn't work well with him.
Was me. Thanks.I have no idea when or who, or even what it truly means
Pronunciation of Giroud (Jee-roo kinda) fits into the song lyrics so put it as your tagline.
Sane suits Pep's style more. Martial's lack of movement wouldn't suit City's style. Sane is constantly making runs off the last defender and attacking space. Martial might be the bigger talent, but who would fit into a squad is completely subjective to that team's needs. Rashford would fit in well though imo, as I've already said.
Agree with the rest, even though I still think Rashford will become a better player and lead our line in the future.
Martial could suit them well. Sterling is a similar player. When they played us midweek we didn't allow them space to run at and they were absolutely useless. A game like that needs a Martial for the team in possession to try and break up the defense. Not that City specifically need an attack player. They are well stacked.
Mourinho is probably ruing the chance he had to get Gabriel Jesus. The guy makes really good runs and that's instinctive and cannot be taught. That's what Martial and Rashford have been lacking. Jesus has a good judge of where the ball will end up and obviously has the skills to score. For instance, when he came on to play against us, he was so clever to make that run. Yes, he was offside but that could have easily ended up being given since it was so close. Getting Griezmann will undoubtedly lift the team spirit because the guy is considered one of the best strikers in the world apart from the goals he scores. If Griezmann does come, it'll be beneficial for France because whatever formation we use to get the best out of the two will be adopted in the national team and they will develop a better understanding with each other along with Martial obviously.
PS: I wish we put in a cheeky 50m bid for Dembele with Martial going the other way. Martial just doesn't seem mentally tough. If he's not able to beat someone in a dribble or misfires a shot, he gets dejected easily. He needs to change that about himself to achieve his full potential.
Martial's form has suffered this time round is because he's not the focal point of the attack. The other thing is Martial's game is about getting the ball to feet and dribbling his way to score. He lacks the vision to run into spaces. The fact that he's got his number taken away from him definitely has hurt his confidence. He went from being the main man last season to a benchwarmer. I think that's definitely playing on his mind.
PS: I wish we put in a cheeky 50m bid for Dembele with Martial going the other way. Martial just doesn't seem mentally tough. If he's not able to beat someone in a dribble or misfires a shot, he gets dejected easily. He needs to change that about himself to achieve his full potential.
Martial's form has suffered this time round is because he's not the focal point of the attack. The other thing is Martial's game is about getting the ball to feet and dribbling his way to score. He lacks the vision to run into spaces. The fact that he's got his number taken away from him definitely has hurt his confidence. He went from being the main man last season to a benchwarmer. I think that's definitely playing on his mind.
And defence lol
Any actual news regarding this lately? Do people believe he will be a United player next season?
Acquire me does, and he's better than Ballache anyway.
Think pretty much most places are saying it's happening if we're in the CL next season
Dembele isn't much different from that. He isn't worth more money then Martial as well. He is a long way off Micky by now. People get deceived way to easy by his fancy tricks, he can't go by 3 players (1 or 2 probably) like Rashford does it.
Martial is out of form, simple as that. Mourinho clearly didn't help his cause with his comments and manhandling. He'll come back, we all know how good he is. Just look at Hazard from last year, and look at him now.
He will sign for us. After he has signed, people will say that anyone could have said so all along. But tbf it don't look so obvious now
You make me so happy...
He will sign for us. After he has signed, people will say that anyone could have said so all along. But tbf it don't look so obvious now
I think the consensus is we need a number of top level additions. AG seems to be the most likely candidate.
Who else do we think is on the radar?
I have no idea when or who, or even what it truly means
From the song
Murder on the dance floor "but please don't kill the groove "
Rhymes with Giroud
Never noticed it until now lol
Dembele is a far better player than Martial will ever be. He's much more talented and as a higher potential. Martial has gone missing quite a few games this season. You're being biased if you say that Rashford is a better dribbler than Dembele. Dembele tore Ligue 1 last season and he's doing in the Bundesliga as well. He's only going to get better. Martial was not worth the crazy amount of money we paid for him. He's good but he's not 60M good. Dembele is worth 40-50M. If you don't agree with me, trying asking the people on the cafe how they rate Dembele in comparison to Martial and Mhiki. By the way, the Mhiki comparison is unfair because Dembele is a dribbler and winger whereas Mhiki is more of a No. 10 who can play on the wings as well.
So what would be best for us? Atletico winning the CL and he can leave with a smile or Atletico going out?
It's premature to state that now. Enough said.
So many things wrong with that post.. I wouldn't even know where to begin.
Don't think it matters. He'll either come or not.
Same. If he is coming, he is coming because of money, club, league and Pogba. Not because of Cl.
He either wins it and has nothing else to achieve there or looses out to Real again and thinks feck it I've had enough
Win win
atletico getting embarrassed and humiliated by real.
he needs to know 100% this is the highest level he can get with the club. He got two really good shots and they couldn't overcome Real three times. He's in a similar situation as LeBron James was both he switched to Miami and back to Cleveland. They lost, he felt they hit their peak, he moved on to the better opportunity.
they win champions league, griez will stay one year longer and help the usher in the new stadium and celebrate the trophy. if he leaves after winning the cup, we better have armed forces prepared to bring him and his family out of madrid. The fans will feel betrayed and the worldwide media would destroy him if he leaves for the money and fame to a much more terrible team. Griez going to have to live with being the theon greyjoy of football. yeah, he can wipe away tears with his $100 dollar bills, but he going to shower himself in scotch to go to sleep.
Expect a hat trick tonight.
Of missed penalties
Of missed penalties
I still feel the impact of his divorce last summer on his form has been grossly underated. I mean we saw experienced pros like Deco and Henry struggle with form due to similar issues to be fair....and Martial is still very young.
Can see him coming to us ..seems like he isn't motivated by money but more by where he plays and what he can achieve .
Leys face it we offer little in both departments, his brother likes us . So what how many people live their lives to please their brother?
If he was, coming to the premiership I feel he would choose Chelsea and living in London .. Especially as, they will be in the market for a forward to compete in the champions league which is something we are struggling to even qualify for never mind anything else
Leys face it we offer little in both departments, his brother likes us . So what how many people live their lives to please their brother?
If he was, coming to the premiership I feel he would choose Chelsea and living in London .. Especially as, they will be in the market for a forward to compete in the champions league which is something we are struggling to even qualify for never mind anything else
These things are really annoying to read because they are such bullshit
You are totally compairing players on the basis of the current season completley disregarding everything else they ever accomplished in their career and completley ignoring all other factors that can contribute to having a poor season besides a lack of quality or talent.
Impact of trainer, impact of a system you need to play in, your teammates, and probably a million other things can influence the performance of a player beside his talent. For example Hazard has flourished with Mourinho leaving and playing a completley different system under a different coach, there is alot more to it than just quality. Because one season a player is god on here and the next season he is completley shit. Take Di Maria for example, he was one of the best players of Real madrid, voted player of the CL the season they won it, he came here and it totally didn't work out for him, he moved to PSG and he is suddenly very good again. We simply need to accept we are not a very good team atm for alot of other reasons besides quality and talent. Take the team of 2013 under Fergie, they strolled to the title and many would have said other players would struggle to get into the team and that we have the best squad of the league, place them in the hands of a tool like Moyes and you go from champions to a clueless bunch that finishes outside the top 4.
If you would have said Martial could not get into any of the top PL sides last year after he was our best player and one of the best in the league you would have been publically crucified on here. The kid has the talent to be one of the best in the league an a trainer like Pochettino would be happy to have him and would probably play him every game he could. I think he would also find it easier to develop at a (currently) more stable team like Tottenham. He just had a poor second season under Jose, doesn't mean he suddenly became shit.
Mkhitaryan scored 23 goals and made 32 assists last year at Dortmund in the Bundesliga, you would have to be insane to deny his quality and talent. He obviously struggled this year but it is clear that is not because of a lack of talent. He is a clearly superior player to someone like Eriksen if you compare their careers and stats (not saying Eriksen isn't a good player). A player like Mkhitaryan would make the team for any top PL side.
Ibra as one of the topscorers would probably also make the team at other top PL clubs. And obviously Rashford with his talent would be make it aswell.
Our team is not massively overrated on here, it does however massively underperform.
Great post.
It's not premature to notice which player is more skilful and productive (AT THE MOMENT).
Erm...this is a joke right?
We have struggled to score goals all season long, with only Ibra contributing significantly.
Chelsea, on the other hand, create fewer chances, but they score from these. They also have killer instinct and put teams to the sword.
Ibra and possibly Mata, excepted, our attackers have been woeful this season.
Agreed.
Reminder: This is not the Griezmann player performance thread. Do that in the Footy.
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