Well i dont know if anyone will believe me but on some fanzines it is rumoured we met his representatives in Nice in a hotel. He apparently will come even if it is without champions league. We have to impress him with our project(other signing/manager stability/wage). I wont say anything else. I do think he will come.
Antoine Griezmann
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How long does a team need to underperform before it's considered overrated?
If I could give you a like for this, I would.
His passing is impressive
Not bullshit.
There seem to be many who wear rose-tinted specs when looking at MUFC players.
Let's start.
L.Shaw - best LB in the World. Really? The longer this guy was out injured, the better he got in the eyes of MUFC fans. Many swore blind that if he had finished the season, we'd have won the title. Their logic: we can't score goals, so lets rely on a defender to score them.
A.Martial - he had a great breakthrough season. He scored 12 league goals, which is pretty average (if not, poor), but when you consider his age, this is impressive. The following season, he is unable to recapture that form. Ibra is brought in as striker and in fewer games scores far more goals than Martial did. MUFC fan view: Martial is going to win the Ball on dor.
H. Mhiki - he was great in the German league. No doubt about that. But in the EPL he has been poor. Again, there is no doubt about this. In EU however, Miki has been pretty good, which shows that he is still as good as he was last season. The problem is that the EPL is a different animal and in most EPL games, he has been anonymous and seems to be easy to shut out of a game. MUFC fan view: Miki is good enough to replace attackers in top EPL teams.
I can keep going on, but the fact remains that several of our players just aren't good enough to win the title. Jose is working on their mentality, but I think Jose needs to sell some of the weaker players and replace with players who are prepared to fight hard for the MUFC shirt.
At this point in time, only an idiot would disagree.
Dembele is actually scoring goals, at the highest level. Martial might do the same, but as yet, he hasn't done so.
Martial has potential, but Dembele is actually delivering the goods, right now.
Right now, Dembele is a better player and quite possibly has a higher ceiling.
What are you even talking about? He has done that literally last year. In fact, last season he scored only 3 goals less than Dembele has in his entire career. This season he scored one goal less.
It's possible that Dembele is the better talent yes, but let's not just make shit up.
Search page: "Griezmann" - one hit. The fecking title.
He will sign for us. After he has signed, people will say that anyone could have said so all along. But tbf it don't look so obvious now
You get lower odds on Griezmann signing for Man Utd this summer than Man Utd not losing to Arsenal. No player has lower odds on signing for Man Utd than Griezmann.
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I feel like a lot of people are saying we should sign him without having a clue where he plays or how he will fit in.
Todays game is a good example of why I'm so iffy about signing him. He isnt the type to do something on his own out of nothing, and relies almost entirely on system and the overall side performing. Its why I would prefer someone like Hazard given the choice, or would prefer to buy lukaku to be our actual striker, rather then griezmann who wouldnt really fit in easily with our other players, isnt entirely suited to the premier league (and yes i know he is a quality player, but he is definitely more suited to la liga), and would cost a record fee.
Atleti have been well and truly dominated. He is a fantastic player.
Today's was a difficult game for him. Atletico were shocking today, attack wise anyway. Koke, Carrasco et al gave him no service at all. I'm not sure what else he could have did.
Shouldn't we be looking to build a solid team and system rather than a team of individuals who may or may not gel, and we constantly rely on moments of individual brilliance rather than team work?
Funny people are basing him on one match like today's when nobody from Atl. Madrid was at the races.
Aside from the penalty, he seemed quiet against Leicester. Slightly concerned we will just be buying another name.
Played like he already plays for us tonight
If this season has shown us anything it's that we're nowhere near as good as people think we are and if players like Griezmann are available and willing to come we're not in a position to say no
Yes exactly, we need someone who fits into the team and system. Somebody like lukaku or a striker like that is way more needed then griezmann. And i mention an individual type like hazard because every top team needs a player like that as well, and we dont really have that.
So because he scored for atleti in la liga consistently where hes played for years as a second striker, that means he'll score consistently for us? What would you do with pogba if he came? Hes shown many times he doesn't quite suit a midfield 2. Besides, ibra is a consistent goalscorer and someone who can be a lone striker. So is lukaku or someone like him. Griezmann just doesnt suit our squad or the league right now IMO. And when you spend 100m, you want them to perfectly suit you so you know they'll work out. Theres way more signs pointing to griezmann being more of a flop if he did come (or umbalance the side), rather then him hitting the ground running and making us a force.He's a consistent goalscorer. We need that badly
Is this the first you've seen of him?
Is this now where people give a knee jerk opinion about how we shouldn't waste our money on him because he didn't single handedly beat Real Madrid?
Exactly.
Its not one match. Been watching him for years. Hes a player who is only at his best playing off a leading striker (which we dont have). Playing him there means we need to play a 4-4-2 type formation, and we dont have any wingers or the right midfielders for that. Our squad is basically built towards being a 433, and griezmann isnt anything more then a solid player playing as a winger or as a lone striker. Especially in the prem, I wouldnt bank on him being a huge success at our current side.
People need to realize its not all about getting someone because they are quality players. You get the players that fit the system and players that suit your side overall. Griezmann is neither if we really think about it. If we get him, great, hope he proves me wrong, but there isnt a way to get the best out of both pogba and griezmann, and habing griezmann makes having either of mata or mkhitaryan basically pointless.
I'll still have my doubts about him (like I do for any big money signing). That being said, he's still a fantastic player and he should be a massive upgrade on our pathetic excuse of an attack.
That was an arduous task out there, not too much can be expected of a second striker when the team plays that badly. Even Ronaldo has had poor games in those circumstances.
His head's in Manchester lads 
He seemed disinterested tonight and frustrated with his teammates at times. Looks like he is tired of not winning, I can see him leaving for us or Bayern.
I only really see him as an number 10/RW in the 4-2-3-1 or RW in a 4-3-3. Not as an CF.
I only really see him as an number 10/RW in the 4-2-3-1 or RW in a 4-3-3. Not as an CF.
His one touch pass and move is fantastic. First touch kills the ball absolutely dead, which I find funny as apart from mata our players bobble the ball all over the place.
Maybe it's the English turf
Maybe it's the English turf
Played like his head's in Manchester
Can you please analyse our current squad and explain how we are built towards a 4-3-3 e.g. show the starters and subs for each position.
Also other reasons why I'm not too keen on getting him. We have basically 5 positions that we need to get.
Then in terms of who we have at the club, griezmann would basically need to play in the hole as a second striker, like Rooney used to. That means..
- A left back is a must, since everyone we have for that position is shit and nobody has that locked down
- A center back, since only Bailly is good, while the others are always injured/not reliable/only shown brief periods of form
- A back up right back since Valencia is getting old and won't be able to keep it up as he did this season
- A holding midfielder, since we go to shit when either of herrera or pogba are missing, but those 2 need a holding midfielder behind them anyway and our only one is Carrick who is ancient
- A winger (we still don't have a single, reliable wide player)
- A striker, since Ibra likely won't play for United again, while Rashford is a good way away from being ready to being the lone striker for a side like United, and plenty of question marks if he'll ever be good enough for that. And no striker around other then him and martial (who is basically our only left winger) anyway.
- A gk if de gea leaves (hopefully not)
Then in terms of who we have at the club, griezmann would basically need to play in the hole as a second striker, like Rooney used to. That means..
- Pogba has to play out of position basically, or is at least severely restricted
- We have Mkhitaryan and Mata already at the club who are very good #10's. Far from problem players. At least one of them 2 (mata) become relatively pointless if Griezmann comes, while Miki would have to play out wide basically, which is fine, but hardly ideal
I suppose one way of fitting him in would be playing him on the right wing in the same way we play Mata or Mhiki, giving him complete freedom and leaving the task of keeping width to Valencia. We'd probably end up with Mhiki on the left as a result (which is fine as he's comfortable from either side - we'd just need an equally dominant left back to cover in the same way as Antonio whenever he drifts inwards, although if Martial or Rashford were the strikers, they could easily swap positions temporaily and fill in) and Martial/Rashford as backup options at striker or LW.
I imagine if we were to sign him we'd line up like this:
Mhiki --- ???/Martial/Rashford --- Griezmann
----Pogba --------------------- Herrera
---------------???/Carrick-------------------
??/Shaw---Rojo---Bailly---Valencia
In attack, I'd imagine we'd transition into a 442 diamond, with Griezmann drifting into a striker/SS position next to Martial or whoever and Mhiki drifting into the #10 position just behind while our full backs push up to maintain width.
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We don't know the system(s) yet. The best you can get out of Pogba and Griezmann is getting better players around them. But at minimum, United need consistent goal scorers in the squad. It's been lacking for more than 4 years now.
But I'm of the opinion of having goal scoring options and Griezmann is one who would fit the bill. He is a secondary striker in the traditional 442 sense, however we've seen how flexible Mourinho has been this season.
Well considering Herrera and Pogba are our only two players in the midfield and attack who we can say for sure will be starters next season, both are more suited to a midfield 3. Or just look at Pogba. He's not suited to a midfield duo and there isn't exactly someone who we can get to hold a midfield of that player plus Pogba. Plus that would just make herrera a squad player which isn't the best idea. Martial still has huge potential, and he's probably best either as a striker or as a left winger in a 4-3-3. The rest doesn't have much balance to it and feck knows who will start or anything like that. Rashford isn't suited to being a lone striker, but he isn't the type that Griezmann would need to be his strike partner, and that especially wouldn't be a front 2 that Mourinho would want as that has no height and no strength at all.
Mourinho is flexible to an extent, but he's still been around for a long time and we know more or less the type of things he likes. He likes your classic 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 type formations. Valencia is perfect for him at right back, and Ibra was perfect for him up top, though he likes the physical types like him or Drogba. Or milito or whoever else. There's rumors for Belotti so lets say he'll be the striker. Pogba is at his best in a 3 man midfield. It's pointless saying "get better players around him", that doesn't really say anything? The whole goal when you buy players is to get better players. You need players who fit the rest of the side or whoever you want to build around. And there is no way to get the best out of both Griezmann and Pogba. One of them will be stifled or out of position or we would need a severely lop-sided formation to get them in together.
Besides, like I said above, getting griezmann doesn't mean we don't need a striker, or a winger, or a midfielder. We still need those 3. Getting those 3 does make us a pretty complete midfield and attack though, so griezmann is like the cherry on top of the cake when you are done the rest, or just a pointless 100m signing. Either one.
that is far from saying the squad is built towards a 4-3-3.
To me the squad is built for a 4-2-3-1 and key factor is the number of players that can play as attacking midfielders behind the striker for which we already have Mkhi, Mata, Lingard, Rashford and Martial (the latter two to play as LWF).
Pogba can play in a 2-man midfield and just need a true DM to pair with him, and against much weaker opposition, even Herrera can play as a DM.
To play a 4-3-3 as a base would require we add 2-3 CM/DMs as currently we only have Pogba, Herrera and Fellaini. Looking t the players we have been linked with not many play such position, but instead we are linked to more AMs.
The defense needs a total revamp the next two years, it's not going to be solved in one transfer window. United don't play with natural wingers anymore, unless you want to call Martial one but that type of play is very predictable now unless you're truly world-class. United need at minimum two center forwards and two central midfielders. Bastian and Schniderlin are gone. Assume that Pereira is going to gain one spot. That leaves United needing another center mid, plus Carrick's replacement.
Wouldn't be surprised to see Mourinho sell a player like Martial or Mata to make room for other players. At the end of the day, United need talent that can get the ball into the net on a consistent basis. Saying that Griezmann is poor or shite based off of today's match is lazy. Grizemann in a counter-attacking side with Rashford, Martial, Lingard/Mata/Mkhitaryan would be really good.
All that was missing was an injury and it would have been a complete United performance.
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