After today's performance I've lost any hope in getting good players let alone Griezmann. We need a whole new squad at this rate...
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This is overreacting to a stupid extent. Today we had three kids up top. Good kids, but they're going through a learning curve year after a breakout season last year. Our most creative attacking players were both on the bench. We do not need a whole new attack.
And what have our creative attacking players offered to the attack this season?
Our attack is probably the weakest in the top six. Without Zlatan it's very average. I'm not sure any attacker from our team would get in any of our rivals team which is the most damning thing.
Lingard is a human.
Human kids act immature.
Lingard acts immature.
Lingard is a kid.
Human kids act immature.
Lingard acts immature.
Lingard is a kid.
Well we've played best, and had our best results when they've both started, so that's something. Mata has provided key goals in big games, and Mikhi has made a huge impact in the Europa league, with 5 goals in 8 appearances (hasn't had the same impact in the league for a variety of reasons, but watch this space next season). I agree that we're much weaker without Zlatan, and need to replace him fast. But to suggest we need a whole new attack is complete overkill. Martial and Rashford are both going to come good, they just need time. Against Swansea they had no supply, and had to do it all themselves.
Honestly, fans are so trigger happy. They expect to have everything perfect NOW. It doesn't work like that. Players need time to develop, find there best form, teams need time to gel. We've had major disruptions to almost every aspect of our attack this season, from Mikhi's bedding in period, to Martial needing to adapt to the Mourinho approach, to Mata's injury, to Rooney being Rooney, to Rahsford's second season syndrome. The only player who's consistently played has been (shock horror) the one that's consistently scored. So no, I'm not having this "we need a whole new attack" rubbish.
Good post that.
Last week people were saying Rashford was better than Ibra, this week he's shocking and nowhere near the level we need.
The truth is our attack hasn't been as woeful as people make out. We've created tons of chances and the only aspect of our attack that has been poor has been our finishing (albeit a mightily important aspect).
However, under LVG we were the most clinical team in the league and I know which position I'd rather be in at the moment.
I truly believe with a couple of additions next season we'll be a force to be reckoned with and competing for the top honours domestically whilst giving a good account of ourselves in Europe.
Griezmann will hopefully be just the start of our summer business and what a start it would be.
From what I have observed, our attacking unit have close to zero understanding between them. They don't know where someone will be in the box. For eg. yesterday I was watching the Spurs game and it was very easy to observe that spurs players occupied specific areas in the box. This comes down to Jose not coaching attacking players and let them do everything freely. We rarely have players available for a cut back pass or player available at the far post. And then the finishing is horrendous altogether. Maybe Jose should hire someone for improving our attack just to bed in the understanding.
EDIT: I don't see griezmann fixing this, we need at least a winger too because Lingard Martial and Rashford are our only options and two of them are strikers.
Wrong - this is something that is developed with time and no amount of coaching can fix it. Players need time to gel together, to understand each others preferences, inclinations etc. Tottenhem have had the attack playing together under the same system for longer.
We've created bucket loads of chances so this our attacking play is poor stems from the lack of goals which is mainly down to our finishing more than anything else.
The only games I think we created loads but didn't finish was Burnely, Stoke, Arsenal and probably Anderlecht. I might have missed some but we didn't create anything against West Brom, West Ham, Everton, Man city, Rostov and Swansea.. These are recent games. But I hope I am wrong and a better finisher could cure all these problems.
If we got Griezmann, would you play him as the furthest man forward, or in behind another new acquisition? I've been struggling to think of that many obvious strikers we can get. If we get Griezmann we probably won't get Lukaku, who I reckon is going to Chelsea anyway, and who else is there? We've been linked to Belotti and Morata, but other than that I can't think of a single good to go, 20 goals a season strikers we could get (and the former two are not even necessarily that anyway). Griezmann up top might just be the best option until one of Martial or Rashford shows enough form to slot in there.
Just no. We need to buy a top draw CB, LB, CM, DM and Forward before we blow probably half the transfer budget on one player. He's not gonna be the difference to winning anything any more than Ibra's 28 goals have been....
Well, with Ibra out for next season, where do you suggest those goals come from instead. Griezmann is pretty flexible as a forward and provides us with lots op options up top. I agree that we need a lot of players, but what other forward options are there that will offer the same amount of goals and flexibility that won't cost an absolute fortune.
Two years ago I really thought we would be dead on to sign him.
Now, I don't think he will come. Looks like it's at a stand still.
Now, I don't think he will come. Looks like it's at a stand still.
I seriously don't know. At first it seemed he'd play off Ibra which would have been good to see. Now I'm not too sure but I don't see him leading the line for a Mourinho side so no doubt we'd be in for another striker to play up top.
Nah, you are wrong, he was right. Good managers, with a proper system and a general idea about how he wants to play can implement it very fast. There are countless examples out there with teams that are not playing together for a longer time.
Arsenal under Wenger, Liverpool under Klopp, Tottenham under Pocch, Chelsea under Conte, City under Pep, they all have a defined system. 95% of games they are playing in a certain, unique way, you could identify immediately, even if the players would look different and would wear different jerseys. They have a defined system regarding defence, playmaking, alignment, speed of play, width and passing.
On the other side we don't. We are playing in a different manner pretty much every game, one game we are pressing, next game we are holding off, one game we are playing long balls, next game we play tiki-taka, one game we exploit the flanks (to no avail mostly), next game we play through the center. Only thing that stays the same mostly it the slow passing, barely one-touch, barely one-twos. This way you will never get a cohesion, your players won't learn to play together. First implement a proper system, get it working, then you can start tweaking. The hell, even in Football Manager this is the case.
We can buy who we want, Griezmann, Mbappe, Verratti, complete new defence, this wouldn't change a thing. Real Madrid Galactico's are a very good example how you can burn money for random world class players and gain nothing from it.
Exactly. Players don't need a full season to develop a partnership. Look how Leroy Sane struggled initially but now is flourishing under a stable system implemented by Pep. Same for Mane. Same for entire Chelsea squad who made a successful transition to 3-4-3. We are organized very well defensively. Its pretty evident, players during defending know what they are doing because they are being coached that way. But it is complete chaos on the other end. Half of the time players don't pick up the lay offs/one touch passes just because they never expect one. We can spend all the money in the world, but I cant see a functional attacking unit without proper instructions/guidance. Jose always relies on ruthless finishers. He didn't had one this season and it has been horribly exposed.
What was the reason two years ago?
That's pretty much it and whilst these signings would be superb, I get the feeling the money men whilst they don't mind paying the money, they also know they'll make their money back as these players become business cards wearing football boots. That said with the current team I often ask myself if some of our players were wearing say an Everton shirt, would we be queuing up to sign them. We have a lot of solid PL players but I remember a time when if you played that game about who you take from our competitors, it wouldn't amount to no more than 2/3 players....that's no longer the case!!
He will sign for us. After he has signed, people will say that anyone could have said so all along. But tbf it don't look so obvious now 
It will sound weird but I actually think United will have more chance of signing him if they don't qualify for the CLHe will sign for us. After he has signed, people will say that anyone could have said so all along. But tbf it don't look so obvious now
If we don't, we'll probably be quite desperate to get him and I think he could still be swayed over. But if we do qualify, I think United will explore options more
Just my opinion anyway
He will sign for us. After he has signed, people will say that anyone could have said so all along. But tbf it don't look so obvious now
He will sign for us. After he has signed, people will say that anyone could have said so all along. But tbf it don't look so obvious now
Even if we don't get CL?
The Sun will rise tomorrow, after which people will say that anyone could have said so all along.
Boy will you feel dumb if it doesn't now
He will sign for us. After he has signed, people will say that anyone could have said so all along. But tbf it don't look so obvious now
Lingard isn't a kid, he's 24, that's an adult, he just acts like he's Rashford's age.
Unfair on Rashford, he's quite mature for his age.
I wasn't saying he isn't, I was simply saying Lingard acts like the age.
I guess all adults should be serious at all times, and not have any fun at the risk of being labeled immature....
For people that call Lingard immature, he doesn't seem to have the dedication, work rate and mentality problems Martial seems to be having even though he doesn't have the talent.
Hes got as far as he has on less talent, thia would probably indicate he has a good mentality and work ethic which shows he likely isn't as immature as people would like to make out.
I guess he was just trolling. At least i hope so for his sake
Lingard is Pogba's age and they both do silly dances, yet Lingard somehow gets labelled as being immature. But enough thread derailing and back to the Griezmann transfer thread.
I'm personally hoping for a relegation battle next season so that we can sign Messi
and the people you are criticizing for not blending together have been playing together for how long? For how long have they played without Zlatan, Pogba and/or Mata? How long have they played in their current positions and/or roles?
Mane joined liverpool this season but what about the rest of the attack? How long have Countinho, Firmino, Lallana etc been together?
Better quality of players (higher footballing IQ) may take a shorter time to blend, but it is still a time issue and not a coaching problem. You cannot coach a player that another player likes his ball to feet and not up in the air or that one makes his run early and the other late, or he likes it on his left side not the right. Those are things players discuss and resolve among themselves
An attacking system can only serve as a frame work, giving a template on how to probe and exploit the opposition, but it does nothing to blend the attack. A system will not tell you at what height or with what pace you should deliver a cross or whether it should go near post or far post. That is why you often see players communicating and expressing their preferences (and also thanks when the team mate gets it right even if it doesnt materialize into a concrete result). Even in well blended attacks you still occasionally see miscommunication and/or misplaced passes
Same issue applies in defence - knowing when you team mates would gamble, when he is likely to be exposed etc.
When CR and Kaka joined madrid, with Pellegrini in charge, most of their passes in the final 3rd were initially to the other. which made the attack choppy and often seem like a 2-man show. It was the following season (ironically under Mourinho) that the attacks flowed better but it wasnt a case of managerial change but simply time.
But you dont have to be convinced and can stick to your guns and/or whatever lelse makes you sleep well at night
He will sign for us. After he has signed, people will say that anyone could have said so all along. But tbf it don't look so obvious now
Usually don't like these YouTube comps as justification of a players quality and I was on the fence but some of the goals this lad scores
He's fantastic. Get him bought.
Props to whoever gave you your tagline
I'll say it again - when we were heavily linked to him he then had to push back and much of what we see is drama. The fact is, he can't play half a season with their fans expecting him to leave. It's unworkable. So they created a fantasy. Else it would be detrimental to the player and disrespectful to his club. I don't know what will happen but I would fancy the weather etc isn't an issue.
You're a bullshitter that much is obvious.He will sign for us. After he has signed, people will say that anyone could have said so all along. But tbf it don't look so obvious now
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