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The red panther said:
These things are really annoying to read because they are such bullshit

You are totally compairing players on the basis of the current season completley disregarding everything else they ever accomplished in their career and completley ignoring all other factors that can contribute to having a poor season besides a lack of quality or talent.

Impact of trainer, impact of a system you need to play in, your teammates, and probably a million other things can influence the performance of a player beside his talent. For example Hazard has flourished with Mourinho leaving and playing a completley different system under a different coach, there is alot more to it than just quality. Because one season a player is god on here and the next season he is completley shit. Take Di Maria for example, he was one of the best players of Real madrid, voted player of the CL the season they won it, he came here and it totally didn't work out for him, he moved to PSG and he is suddenly very good again. We simply need to accept we are not a very good team atm for alot of other reasons besides quality and talent. Take the team of 2013 under Fergie, they strolled to the title and many would have said other players would struggle to get into the team and that we have the best squad of the league, place them in the hands of a tool like Moyes and you go from champions to a clueless bunch that finishes outside the top 4.

If you would have said Martial could not get into any of the top PL sides last year after he was our best player and one of the best in the league you would have been publically crucified on here. The kid has the talent to be one of the best in the league an a trainer like Pochettino would be happy to have him and would probably play him every game he could. I think he would also find it easier to develop at a (currently) more stable team like Tottenham. He just had a poor second season under Jose, doesn't mean he suddenly became shit.

Mkhitaryan scored 23 goals and made 32 assists last year at Dortmund in the Bundesliga, you would have to be insane to deny his quality and talent. He obviously struggled this year but it is clear that is not because of a lack of talent. He is a clearly superior player to someone like Eriksen if you compare their careers and stats (not saying Eriksen isn't a good player). A player like Mkhitaryan would make the team for any top PL side.

Ibra as one of the topscorers would probably also make the team at other top PL clubs. And obviously Rashford with his talent would be make it aswell.

Our team is not massively overrated on here, it does however massively underperform.
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Good post. I disagree with your point on Fergies last team as it was heavily reliant on one player but overall some really good stuff there.

I've asked before and never got an answer but Griezmann is the type to play 40-50 games. Who gets dropped for him? We're going to have to drop a very good player to fit another very good player in.
 
Souness doesn't think he's worth 100 million and would rather spend that money on Lukaku, also had to get in a pogba isn't worth 100 million jab, hate that man.
 
The red panther said:
These things are really annoying to read because they are such bullshit

You are totally compairing players on the basis of the current season completley disregarding everything else they ever accomplished in their career and completley ignoring all other factors that can contribute to having a poor season besides a lack of quality or talent.

Impact of trainer, impact of a system you need to play in, your teammates, and probably a million other things can influence the performance of a player beside his talent. For example Hazard has flourished with Mourinho leaving and playing a completley different system under a different coach, there is alot more to it than just quality. Because one season a player is god on here and the next season he is completley shit. Take Di Maria for example, he was one of the best players of Real madrid, voted player of the CL the season they won it, he came here and it totally didn't work out for him, he moved to PSG and he is suddenly very good again. We simply need to accept we are not a very good team atm for alot of other reasons besides quality and talent. Take the team of 2013 under Fergie, they strolled to the title and many would have said other players would struggle to get into the team and that we have the best squad of the league, place them in the hands of a tool like Moyes and you go from champions to a clueless bunch that finishes outside the top 4.

If you would have said Martial could not get into any of the top PL sides last year after he was our best player and one of the best in the league you would have been publically crucified on here. The kid has the talent to be one of the best in the league an a trainer like Pochettino would be happy to have him and would probably play him every game he could. I think he would also find it easier to develop at a (currently) more stable team like Tottenham. He just had a poor second season under Jose, doesn't mean he suddenly became shit.

Mkhitaryan scored 23 goals and made 32 assists last year at Dortmund in the Bundesliga, you would have to be insane to deny his quality and talent. He obviously struggled this year but it is clear that is not because of a lack of talent. He is a clearly superior player to someone like Eriksen if you compare their careers and stats (not saying Eriksen isn't a good player). A player like Mkhitaryan would make the team for any top PL side.

Ibra as one of the topscorers would probably also make the team at other top PL clubs. And obviously Rashford with his talent would be make it aswell.

Our team is not massively overrated on here, it does however massively underperform.
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What a load of rubbish, I already stated going by this season's standards. I don't give a feck about what player's have done in the past, that means nothing to me or this club's current predicament. Martial being good last season isn't doing shit for us currently. Also, Martial would not get into City ahead of Sane, not even on last season's form, Martial wouldn't suit City's style at all. Sane even before he moved to City had very, very good movement, Martial doesn't. Sane and Sterling can both operate as proper wingers if need be, Martial simply can't, to the same standard.

You're talking about systems influencing player's importance and I fecking said as much, Martial even at his best wouldn't be playing the lines like a Sane would, nor would he be able to stretch the pitch and provide width like a Sterling would.

There is still nothing to suggest Martial is nothing more than a flash in the pan who went through a purple patch. He's talented but there has been more talented players in the past who amounted to nothing.

Our team is incredibly overrated, people have this assumption that player's who have shown they can be good, must be incredible players. Feck, maybe Macheda was a potential world beater after all.

You've gone off on a complete tangent about how he's shit when I never even said as much, for future reference you should read my post before replying. I said he wouldn't get into their team by this season's standards, it's that fecking simple. I don't give a feck how good he was last season, that's irrelevant, it's the past. Jose doesn't give a feck about how good he was last season either, because it doesn't benefit the team currently.

Also, what you 'think' Poch would do is irrelevant. Kane does very well in Tottenham's system and Martial isn't getting ahead of Dele Alli. Dele Alli by this season's standards is arguably superior, or at least comparable to Martial from last season, despite being younger.

I wouldn't be surprised if Martial was one of the world's best players in a few years, would equally not be surprised if he amounted to nothing.
 
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How real are the reservations he's got outside of CL qualification? Would buying him not mean he'd be moaning about a switch to Real or Barca in a couple of seasons? I'm not exactly sure that fits with the profile of what kind of a team we want to create.
 
Bastian said:
How real are the reservations he's got outside of CL qualification? Would buying him not mean he'd be moaning about a switch to Real or Barca in a couple of seasons? I'm not exactly sure that fits with the profile of what kind of a team we want to create.
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I'd imagine he has a definite preference for Spain but aspects of United appeal to him. He could pine for that move back after 3 seasons perhaps. It's 50/50.
 
They say on the radio that he was the most depressed Atlético player after the game. The best thing he can do is to leave, even if you do not qualify for the Champions League.
He seems happy in Spain but professionally he will not get anything else.
 
carvajal said:
They say on the radio that he was the most depressed Atlético player after the game. The best thing he can do is to leave, even if you do not qualify for the Champions League.
He seems happy in Spain but professionally he will not get anything else.
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Number 7 shirt is waiting for him :drool:
 
Griezmann isn't going to change the tide of the game when his team are under the kosh as his best work is done off the ball and he's mainly a finisher.

MiceOnMeth said:
Souness doesn't think he's worth 100 million and would rather spend that money on Lukaku, also had to get in a pogba isn't worth 100 million jab, hate that man.
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If he'd just left it at not thinking Griezmann is worth €100M then fair enough, but to then say he'd spend that on Lukaku. :wenger:
 
carvajal said:
They say on the radio that he was the most depressed Atlético player after the game. The best thing he can do is to leave, even if you do not qualify for the Champions League.
He seems happy in Spain but professionally he will not get anything else.
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Sounds like a man who felt that was last chance saloon for he and Atletico in UCL.
 
Devil may care said:
Griezmann isn't going to change the tide of the game when his team are under the kosh as his best work is done off the ball and he's mainly a finisher.



If he'd just left it at not thinking Griezmann is worth €100M then fair enough, but to then say he'd spend that on Lukaku. :wenger:
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He's a great link up player too, but he doesn't have a lot of players to exploit that at Atletico, his best friend would be Koke but they usually play in opposite sides of the field.
 
Devil may care said:
Griezmann isn't going to change the tide of the game when his team are under the kosh as his best work is done off the ball and he's mainly a finisher.
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Atletico are under the kosh, by design, constantly, so this is an odd statement. Griezmann has been very effective as a counter-attacking player.

And if you mean that he won't break a low scoring game open (see our 10 home draws), this might have been true in the past, but this season he's had some fantastic long-range strikes and has dropped deep a lot more and made some lovely through passes over the top to Gameiro and Torres.

I think if we played with a 9 up top, Martial wide out left and Griezmann as a sort of 10/RW hybrid like Lingard has been playing, he'd win a few games. Or as the RW or 10 with Mkhitaryan or Mata as the 10 or RW.
 
NoPace said:
Atletico are under the kosh, by design, constantly, so this is an odd statement. Griezmann has been very effective as a counter-attacking player.

And if you mean that he won't break a low scoring game open (see our 10 home draws), this might have been true in the past, but this season he's had some fantastic long-range strikes and has dropped deep a lot more and made some lovely through passes over the top to Gameiro and Torres.

I think if we played with a 9 up top, Martial wide out left and Griezmann as a sort of 10/RW hybrid like Lingard has been playing, he'd win a few games. Or as the RW or 10 with Mkhitaryan or Mata as the 10 or RW.
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Under the kosh is different to inviting teams on to hit them on the counter, when you are under the kosh you are getting dominated and unable to utilize the counter which was what happened tonight, Real Madrid were all over them for practically the entire game, and in a game like that he's not going to feature much as he's not the player you get the ball to and hope he takes a defense on and pulls you out of the fire, he needs service, he's not a Neymar or Bale type which I think some on here imagine he is, but he is a very good player.
 
I agree with some of the posters that have said the Griezmann transfer does not make great sense for us atm. He'd take 2/3 of the budget and I feel after the shit show in the league and the injuries that have happened, Mou will want to add easily 4-5 quality players. Despite him saying only 2-3 earlier in the season. He simply can't afford another season like this, it might cost him his job.

We'll need a DM to replace Carrick, a#9 to replace Ibra, we might need a GK to replace DDG if he goes, as well as probably a LB and a CB with Shaw and Jones looking like having one foot out the door. That's already probably 4 starters and a squad player (the CB) before we even get to talking about a support striker/inside forward. And we're still being linked with RWs like Willian etc.

The fact he keeps talking about how he loves the lifestyle there and wants to say also does not excite me. I might be in the minority here, but I hope we don't pull the trigger on this one.
 
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I also think that Griezmann wont come and with the excuses about the weather, we have to be playing Champions League football etc, sounds like a player who doesnt want to come, rather than a player who would love to play here.
 
wolvored said:
I also think that Griezmann wont come and with the excuses about the weather, we have to be playing Champions League football etc, sounds like a player who doesnt want to come, rather than a player who would love to play here.
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If true would this potentially a Di Maria situation??
 
He's still an Atletico player. Why would he say 'My dream is to play for 6th place Man Utd because of the wages'? Nothing is definite at this point.
 
Not too sure, Hes one of my favourite players in the world right now to watch and I think hes brilliant. But I agree, he may not come off as the signing our current squad needs.


That being said, I agree with most that at this point hes really close to a done deal, something drastic would have to happen for it to be cancelled. He's really marketable, will recover just as much in promotion as his fee nearly (and I hear its less than Pogba, no?), and will fill the no.7 shirt (endless marketing possibilities).



Think he will come almost certainly, whether he adjusts and stays is another thing. Potential 2-3 season failure (dont think if it flopped it would be close to Di Maria level, because hes not that much of an ass, actually likes Man Utd etc.)


Theres just too much ' guarantees' being thrown out by the media, people with some insider information, ex footballers, etc. That make it kind of obvious the negotiations are quite advanced atm.
 
Griezmann is the type of player that wins you titles by slaughtering the Swansea's of this world home and away. Him scoring in bigger games is a bonus. United as we are now are utter shit at putting away fodder. We need the type of forward to pound them to death. Thais why IMO going for a Grirzmann makes perfect sense. With a Lukaku as an alternative
 
Atletico are not going to win the Champions League this season barring some sort of miracle turnaround and it looks like this Atletico have gone as far as they can challenging Real/Barca. Hopefully a new challenge will appeal to Greizmann.

Though there is the fact he is happy where he is and new stadium coming etc. so there is that.
 
sunama said:
Not bullshit.
There seem to be many who wear rose-tinted specs when looking at MUFC players.
Let's start.
L.Shaw - best LB in the World. Really? The longer this guy was out injured, the better he got in the eyes of MUFC fans. Many swore blind that if he had finished the season, we'd have won the title. Their logic: we can't score goals, so lets rely on a defender to score them. :wenger:
A.Martial - he had a great breakthrough season. He scored 12 league goals, which is pretty average (if not, poor), but when you consider his age, this is impressive. The following season, he is unable to recapture that form. Ibra is brought in as striker and in fewer games scores far more goals than Martial did. MUFC fan view: Martial is going to win the Ball on dor. :wenger:
H. Mhiki - he was great in the German league. No doubt about that. But in the EPL he has been poor. Again, there is no doubt about this. In EU however, Miki has been pretty good, which shows that he is still as good as he was last season. The problem is that the EPL is a different animal and in most EPL games, he has been anonymous and seems to be easy to shut out of a game. MUFC fan view: Miki is good enough to replace attackers in top EPL teams. :wenger:

I can keep going on, but the fact remains that several of our players just aren't good enough to win the title. Jose is working on their mentality, but I think Jose needs to sell some of the weaker players and replace with players who are prepared to fight hard for the MUFC shirt.
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L.Shaw - Fractured both his legs, did pretty well before the injury. No one said that we can rely on a LB to get goals. You don't have any idea about how injury affects people, I know because my cousin broke both of his legs near his thighs in a bike accident and the doctor told him he will need 1 and a half year minimum to recover completely from the fracture. I know its a different part of the leg but still Shaw had only 6 months

A.Martial - He can't recapture his form because of various reasons, reasons which you can't comprehend for some reason. Did you forget he is just 21? You expect him to play like Hazard, Alli, Ronaldo? He is playing as a winger and not in his best position, would Ibra play well if he was playing on the wings? He could still win the Ballon d'Or, he has plenty of time still. LVG isn't that stupid to spend so much money on an average player.

Mkhi - First season for us and you expect him to play like Hazard. He is getting used to the PL. He was criticised by Jose constantly and kept out of the team. He is good enough to replace attackers in top EPL teams. Spurs, Arsenal, etc would take him in an heartbeat if we were willing to sell him.

The players who aren't good enough for us are Fellaini, Rooney (was good before but not now), Lingard, Blind, Smalling and Darmain not these 3 players which you mentioned in your post.
 
Womp said:
What a load of rubbish, I already stated going by this season's standards. I don't give a feck about what player's have done in the past, that means nothing to me or this club's current predicament. Martial being good last season isn't doing shit for us currently. Also, Martial would not get into City ahead of Sane, not even on last season's form, Martial wouldn't suit City's style at all. Sane even before he moved to City had very, very good movement, Martial doesn't. Sane and Sterling can both operate as proper wingers if need be, Martial simply can't, to the same standard.

You're talking about systems influencing player's importance and I fecking said as much, Martial even at his best wouldn't be playing the lines like a Sane would, nor would he be able to stretch the pitch and provide width like a Sterling would.

There is still nothing to suggest Martial is nothing more than a flash in the pan who went through a purple patch. He's talented but there has been more talented players in the past who amounted to nothing.

Our team is incredibly overrated, people have this assumption that player's who have shown they can be good, must be incredible players. Feck, maybe Macheda was a potential world beater after all.

You've gone off on a complete tangent about how he's shit when I never even said as much, for future reference you should read my post before replying. I said he wouldn't get into their team by this season's standards, it's that fecking simple. I don't give a feck how good he was last season, that's irrelevant, it's the past. Jose doesn't give a feck about how good he was last season either, because it doesn't benefit the team currently.

Also, what you 'think' Poch would do is irrelevant. Kane does very well in Tottenham's system and Martial isn't getting ahead of Dele Alli. Dele Alli by this season's standards is arguably superior, or at least comparable to Martial from last season, despite being younger.

I wouldn't be surprised if Martial was one of the world's best players in a few years, would equally not be surprised if he amounted to nothing.
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You are comparing Martial with players who are complete wingers. Martial is a striker and LVG played him on the wings, I know he did well on the wings but that's not his best position Jose is asking him to be more defensive and criticising him in public which can have an effect on his confidence. Compare the stats on Squawka and see the difference between Sane and Martial and you will get answer to who will get into the City team based on stats. You haven't seen Martial or Sane at their best and saying that Sane would be better than Martial at his best, that is a laughable statement. There is also nothing to suggest that Sane is a world class player but you have already decided that he is a world class player based on 1 season.


The team is overrated but Martial isn't overrated. Players like Lingard, Fellaini, the current Rooney, Blind, Darmian and Smalling are overrated but not Martial. Why not judge him after 3-4 years? Why are you adamant on declaring he is not good enough based on 1 season of bad football? Jose doesn't give a feck about how good his players were last season? Seriously? Then why is Rashford playing?


Delle Alli is in a team which is playing very well, he has players around him who are in form and a manager who doesn't criticise him and rest him if he has a bad game. While Martial has to play with team mates like Lingard, Fellaini and Darmian and an out of form Shaw. Even Sane and Sterling have better team mates who are in form. The only attacking players in from for us are Zlatan, Pogba and Herrera. Martial is not even getting that many chances now apart from the last 2 games to improve his confidence. How a player plays also depends on his team, manager and other various reasons. I guess you have an agenda against Martial for some reason.
 
SachinJ22 said:
You are comparing Martial with players who are complete wingers. Martial is a striker and LVG played him on the wings, I know he did well on the wings but that's not his best position Jose is asking him to be more defensive and criticising him in public which can have an effect on his confidence. Compare the stats on Squawka and see the difference between Sane and Martial and you will get answer to who will get into the City team based on stats. You haven't seen Martial or Sane at their best and saying that Sane would be better than Martial at his best, that is a laughable statement. There is also nothing to suggest that Sane is a world class player but you have already decided that he is a world class player based on 1 season.


The team is overrated but Martial isn't overrated. Players like Lingard, Fellaini, the current Rooney, Blind, Darmian and Smalling are overrated but not Martial. Why not judge him after 3-4 years? Why are you adamant on declaring he is not good enough based on 1 season of bad football? Jose doesn't give a feck about how good his players were last season? Seriously? Then why is Rashford playing?


Delle Alli is in a team which is playing very well, he has players around him who are in form and a manager who doesn't criticise him and rest him if he has a bad game. While Martial has to play with team mates like Lingard, Fellaini and Darmian and an out of form Shaw. Even Sane and Sterling have better team mates who are in form. The only attacking players in from for us are Zlatan, Pogba and Herrera. Martial is not even getting that many chances now apart from the last 2 games to improve his confidence. How a player plays also depends on his team, manager and other various reasons. I guess you have an agenda against Martial for some reason.
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Which is exactly the point of my post - why would Martial get into a team that has proper wingers, when he isn't one? He is hardly guaranteed a position in City's squad. Also, where have I ever said Sane is world class? :lol: Some of you lot are so fecking soft, just because Martial wouldn't get into those teams ahead of those players doesn't mean he's not better than them, or that im 'writing him off' for one, secondly we are talking about this season, he's been shite, I don't care for what your reasoning behind that may be, but he has been. I have nothing against Martial, in fact I have his name on the back of my jersey, but to claim he would get into those sides ahead of players who suit their systems is just rubbish. He has been poor this season, they've all been better and he wouldn't be an improvement on them, not because of his ability, but because he wouldn't fit their systems and he hasn't been good enough this season by a long shot to consider changing systems for.

You're replying to my post without even knowing the context, where has anyone said he's not good enough? We're talking about whether he would get into those sides ahead of the players they currently have, not how good of a player he can become in 5-6 years ffs.
 
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L.Shaw - Fractured both his legs, did pretty well before the injury. No one said that we can rely on a LB to get goals. You don't have any idea about how injury affects people, I know because my cousin broke both of his legs near his thighs in a bike accident and the doctor told him he will need 1 and a half year minimum to recover completely from the fracture. I know its a different part of the leg but still Shaw had only 6 months

A.Martial - He can't recapture his form because of various reasons, reasons which you can't comprehend for some reason. Did you forget he is just 21? You expect him to play like Hazard, Alli, Ronaldo? He is playing as a winger and not in his best position, would Ibra play well if he was playing on the wings? He could still win the Ballon d'Or, he has plenty of time still. LVG isn't that stupid to spend so much money on an average player.

Mkhi - First season for us and you expect him to play like Hazard. He is getting used to the PL. He was criticised by Jose constantly and kept out of the team. He is good enough to replace attackers in top EPL teams. Spurs, Arsenal, etc would take him in an heartbeat if we were willing to sell him.

The players who aren't good enough for us are Fellaini, Rooney (was good before but not now), Lingard, Blind, Smalling and Darmain not these 3 players which you mentioned in your post.
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What crap!
 
I like Griezmann a lot but I wouldn't want us to spend too much money on one player, especially if such a player is not desperate to join United.

If we get the current players scoring again, we'll be fine with a cheaper, hungrier striker. We all know that Mikhi, Mata, Pogba, Martial and Rashford can score. Jose needs to get them doing what they can do. Yes, we need midfield re-enforcements so let's get more midfielders who are ballers and can chip in goals. I will get B.Silva if he is available.
 
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You are comparing Martial with players who are complete wingers. Martial is a striker and LVG played him on the wings, I know he did well on the wings but that's not his best position Jose is asking him to be more defensive and criticising him in public which can have an effect on his confidence. Compare the stats on Squawka and see the difference between Sane and Martial and you will get answer to who will get into the City team based on stats. You haven't seen Martial or Sane at their best and saying that Sane would be better than Martial at his best, that is a laughable statement. There is also nothing to suggest that Sane is a world class player but you have already decided that he is a world class player based on 1 season.


The team is overrated but Martial isn't overrated. Players like Lingard, Fellaini, the current Rooney, Blind, Darmian and Smalling are overrated but not Martial. Why not judge him after 3-4 years? Why are you adamant on declaring he is not good enough based on 1 season of bad football? Jose doesn't give a feck about how good his players were last season? Seriously? Then why is Rashford playing?


Delle Alli is in a team which is playing very well, he has players around him who are in form and a manager who doesn't criticise him and rest him if he has a bad game. While Martial has to play with team mates like Lingard, Fellaini and Darmian and an out of form Shaw. Even Sane and Sterling have better team mates who are in form. The only attacking players in from for us are Zlatan, Pogba and Herrera. Martial is not even getting that many chances now apart from the last 2 games to improve his confidence. How a player plays also depends on his team, manager and other various reasons. I guess you have an agenda against Martial for some reason.
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Hmnn.

Martial is more in the Thiery Henry / Lacazette mould. I prefer to call him a forward than a winger or striker. Like Henry, he can be very dangerous drifting from wide to the middle to strike while he can also play as a striker. Lacazette himself had a good spell playing wide.

I think the opponent should determine how Martial is played. He is that type of forward that can give a manager flexibility. My frank opinion is that he is not the type of player who is an out and out striker. He is not a Benzema, Higuain, Lewandowski or Diego Costa. He is closer to a Ronaldo (well not in terms of ability obviously) than to those guys. Ronaldo can drift from wide to the middle and strike while he can also be used as a number nine.

This is my understanding of Martial so when people say that he has not been used well this season in terms of where he has been asked to play, I hold a different view.

Interestingly, Griezmann is also closer to being this kind of player than being an outright number nine or winger.
 
I haven't watched Griezmann play much at all. I've seen the 2 Leicester games and now this one v Real, and i have to be honest he hasn't impressed me much at all. There is obvious signs esp in 1st Leicester game he has ability but he couldn't break that stubborn defence down in 2 games. Yesterday in Real match he looked lost. Admittedly his team played poor, and he could well bounce back in 2nd leg. I know a lot of good people who watch him more than I do, and say great things about him. I'm on the fence, as I say I haven't seen much of him and wouldn't want to make a judgement on such limited viewing, but certain players jump out at you right away, he doesn't to me anyway.
 
I'm not sure about this signing. If we did sign him then he will probably come in and score goals left, right and centre but I just don't know if we would get the best out of him.
 
hellohello said:
Any actual news regarding this lately? Do people believe he will be a United player next season?
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Just a load of rumours mostly but in football, when the rumours hit high point, there is often some truth somewhere in there.
But certain things make one believe the rumours though. We know he is close to Paul Pogba and Pogba wants him at Old Trafford. We know he can double his pay at United and most footballers find that irresistible. We know his personal brand can massively improve if he signs a contract with United. We know Atletico may have hit a ceiling. We know his mentor, Diego Simeone may be on his way out of the club. We know Atletico is never shy of selling their big name stars once they are sure of earning good money for them. We know Manchester United is one of the few teams who can guarantee Atletico such good money. And we know that Antoine's mum is Portuguese like Jose is. :)
 
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What crap!
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Maybe you can discuss properly and give your opinion instead of calling my opinion crap. Would these players get into to top teams like Chelsea, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern? Even Spurs have better players than these two. Even the coaching staff think Lingard is good enough and hiked his salary, no wonder we have average overrated players getting selected every match. If the owners and coaching staff have better ambitions for this team, then they need to let go of average players. Our position in the table shows where exactly we deserve to be with average players in our team
 
Dobbs said:
Good post. I disagree with your point on Fergies last team as it was heavily reliant on one player but overall some really good stuff there.

I've asked before and never got an answer but Griezmann is the type to play 40-50 games. Who gets dropped for him? We're going to have to drop a very good player to fit another very good player in.
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Situational, Griezmann can play behind the striker, can play as striker or he can play as winger

If he plays as striker it will be rashford missing out

If he plays as winger it will be Martial/Lingard missing out

If he plays behind the striker it will be Mkhitaryan/Mata missing out

This is also the reason I think Griezmann is a must for us because he is so versatile we can easy shift new players in and out of the team which is nesc because we can't really depend on rashford and Martial to be good all the time and carry our attack, we can with Griezmann. And depending on which players deserve to miss out we can adjust the position of Griezmann. Like if Rashford is in good form, you don't drop him and find a way to play both him and Griezmann, which is alot easier with someone who can play 3 positions than with someone who can only play 1 position.
 
Womp said:
Which is exactly the point of my post - why would Martial get into a team that has proper wingers, when he isn't one? He is hardly guaranteed a position in City's squad. Also, where have I ever said Sane is world class? :lol: Some of you lot are so fecking soft, just because Martial wouldn't get into those teams ahead of those players doesn't mean he's not better than them, or that im 'writing him off' for one, secondly we are talking about this season, he's been shite, I don't care for what your reasoning behind that may be, but he has been. I have nothing against Martial, in fact I have his name on the back of my jersey, but to claim he would get into those sides ahead of players who suit their systems is just rubbish. He has been poor this season, they've all been better and he wouldn't be an improvement on them, not because of his ability, but because he wouldn't fit their systems and he hasn't been good enough this season by a long shot to consider changing systems for.

You're replying to my post without even knowing the context, where has anyone said he's not good enough? We're talking about whether he would get into those sides ahead of the players they currently have, not how good of a player he can become in 5-6 years ffs.
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Then what is the point of comparing him to players whose main position is on the wings? Well I agree he has been shit this season that doesn't mean Sane or Alli or Sterling are better than him. Please read your own post again and see what you said. You said Martial will never be able to do what Sane based on 1 season. You said people tend to make assumptions that a player is an incredible player when they show that they are good, while you are assuming the same about Sane and Alli. You are saying Jose doesn't give a feck how our players played in the last season, why would he select Martial and Rashford again and again? He is selecting them because he saw what they have done last season.
 
No point signing him, he'll just end up being wasted on the bench so Lingard can keep being Pogba's hype boy.
 
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