Antoine Griezmann| Catalunya Radio say Griezmann to Barcelona is done for €100m

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Mcking said:
Both Ozil and Griezmann mean you will have to play one on the wing where they are not exactly great. One of our two attacking signings has to be a winger, meaning it is either Ozil or Griezmann and Ozil is the one we need more. Ozil won't be able to create a lot of chances from the wing as he does through the middle.
We shouldn't just sign a goal scorer for the sake of it if he's going to be starved of service anyway. City play with only one natural goalscorer and Napoli play with none - you don't need goal scorers to score goals. Once an attack clicks, goals will come.
Unless we bring in one hell of a playmaking winger, then I don't see the need for Griezmann.
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No, That's a very limited way of veiwing things. Yes Ofcourse we do need a winger on the right or a versatile one who could play on the left too or as a wingback too but also the fact is our team is very versatile and our system is also versatile, Griezmann is also a striker who can operate in a front two with lukaku or another striker and ozil can slot at10 in a 3412 system we have been playing recently against top sides who play the same system and we will continue to do so . SO he adds as a striker too while if luakaku gets injured for many games martial and rashford are too inconsistant and young to be totally dependent upon. Can fit in a 442 as well.

Then there is ucl , where you need a quality up front in the feet where lukaku is yet an undeveloped player so our quality drops too much as every one nows his weakness and the way to nullify him that's where griezmann will come in. Griezmann can also operate in a 343 on rwf and add another balance and dimention to an option we play.

While we use mata very effectively on the right in small games where ozil can also be used and can be brought inside with griezmann as a striker in big games. We definitely need a winger too but we have to identify him first too. THe city squad is too deep and quality on the bench also so if a player like griemann is available you just dont pass the option on it. Versatility and depth is very important for us for rivaling city and in europe and if we have options than we can use them according to our need.
 
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tekkers3 said:
How comfortable would he be playing on the right wing? We could do with some quality there and in my mind, would work well with Valencia providing the width.
Then could play with Lukaku / Rashford up top as Ibra drops deeper
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Never seen him play right side, seen him central/no.10 and left side from the small amount I caught of him while at Sociedad.
Sounds a bad idea to have a 100mill punt to pencil him into a position he doesn't specialize.
 
prtk0811 said:
No, That's a very limited way of veiwing things. Yes Ofcourse we do need a winger on the right or a versatile one who could play on the left too or as a wingback too but also the fact is our team is very versatile and our system is also versatile, Griezmann is also a striker who can operate in a front two with lukaku or another striker and ozil can slot at10 in a 3412 system we have been playing recently against top sides who play the same system and we will continue to do so . SO he adds as a striker too while if luakaku gets injured for many games martial and rashford are too inconsistant and young to be totally dependent upon.

Then there is ucl , where you need a quality up front in the feet where lukaku is yet an undeveloped player so our quality drops too much as every one nows his weakness and the way to nullify him that's where griezmann will come in. Griezmann can also operate in a 343 on rwf and add another balance and dimention to an option we play.

While we use mata very effectively on the right in small games where ozil can also be used and can be brought inside with griezmann as a striker in big games. We definitely need a winger too but we have to identify him first too. THe city squad is too deep and quality on the bench also so if a player like griemann is available you just dont pass the option on it. Versatility and depth is very important for us for rivaling city and in europe and if we have options than we can use them according to our need.
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You are literally telling us to keep changing formations and rotating every game, which Mourinho isn't exactly known for. We have played a lot of 3-5-2 due to poor form from our forwards and a succession of big games.
We're likely to play 4231 next season and if Griezmann and Ozil come here, they are expected to be starters in that formation (in both the UCL and EPL) which like I pointed out, lacks balance.
An attack won't click if you keep changing the shape and personnel; unless you are suggesting a permanent switch to 3-5-2 which immediately puts Martial and Rashford on the bench.
Griezmann is a quality player, but you don't just jump in and sign a player just because they are available, especially a 90m one - that's desperation.
Rashford and Martial are more than good enough to back-up Lukaku, the Belgian has a good injury record too.
We need a playmaker and a winger foremost and Griezmann is neither. Those two will make our attack depth as good as city's.
You might think City's attack depth is better than ours right, but you have to note they have only two strikers, one of which is ?20. It is all about striking balance, not filling the squad with strikers.
 
Was for this transfer last summer...think it's simply cause I'm a muppet.
Now, i'm not so keen. He would help our movement in the final third but we need much more than that.
 
Mcking said:
You are literally telling us to keep changing formations and rotating every game, which Mourinho isn't exactly known for. We have played a lot of 3-5-2 due to poor form from our forwards and a succession of big games.
We're likely to play 4231 next season and if Griezmann and Ozil come here, they are expected to be starters in that formation (in both the UCL and EPL) which like I pointed out, lacks balance.
An attack won't click if you keep changing the shape and personnel; unless you are suggesting a permanent switch to 3-5-2 which immediately puts Martial and Rashford on the bench.
Griezmann is a quality player, but you don't just jump in and sign a player just because they are available, especially a 90m one - that's desperation.
Rashford and Martial are more than good enough to back-up Lukaku, the Belgian has a good injury record too.
We need a playmaker and a winger foremost and Griezmann is neither. Those two will make our attack depth as good as city's.
You might think City's attack depth is better than ours right, but you have to note they have only two strikers, one of which is ?20. It is all about striking balance, not filling the squad with strikers.
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No its not true at all, Do u know how many systems mourinho has played with this squad since last year? We have played 4231, 433, 451, 4141, 352(3511 in some games) and 343 also in Ucl this season along with 442 last game and in few games.

Mourinho is not a rigid manager in terms of systems. He Absolutely knows the versatility of this squad and team and plays according to the balance and the need of against which opposition and against which system we are playing against( Where versatility of the squad's credit must go to LVG and mourinho combined). In the mordern Epl era you cant not Fix on a single system with 6 strong teams who can nullify you and beat you with the great managers like conte klopp pep pochh and wenger and flexibility of their squads. You have to play a 352 ( 3511)or 343 against teams who are playing a similar system to balance out their system where wingbacks can defend with 5 and attack with 4 or 5 players other wise your 4231 is in a disadvantage all the time. Also Against teams with fast wingers and 3 midfeilders you need to play 433 for more control in the middle in terms of posession and game control. MAtic pogba herrera if all played together is best suited in a 4141 system where herrera uses his strenghts to press high very effectively and win the ball high. With 451 your wingers are used to defend as well as attack, So yeah we completely need to be a versatile team and versatile system and not be a rigid team who can be predictable to get nullified by top managers out there or have the flexibility to nullify them too. Balance has to be found according to injuries and form too and 4231 is not a completely balanced system with playmaker too as wingers need very high workrate and great attacking talents where martial and rashford still are not the highest quality like ronaldo or di maria were in madrid or robben and ribery in bayern .

Secondly We also need to target UCL and where teams like psg now have neymar and mbappe cavani dimaria level players , Barca and madrid are stacked with world's top players , JUventus have quality of dybala's and higuain's ilk, city having aguero and jesus and kdb , we need a star forward player too as all of lukaku rashford and martial are not on that level yet where they can signle handedly decide the tie or score a worldie in a tight match. Lukaku is not a finished product and nither is martial and rashford who can take the pressure of scoring in a high level crunch games , Playmakers only create you chances but finishers take it and score goals so they are very expensive. Griezmann is a finisher with highest quality and also have the ability to score a worldie goal from long distances which might decide tight games or finish acutely against best keepers in the world like nueur. THat's why we definately need griezmann too also if lukaku gets injured for couple of months we cant expect rashford to play 10 games as a striker on back to back as he's just 19 and also plays international games while one of martial and rashford always plays on the left wing. CIty on the other hand do not have to play their strikers as wingers so they can rotate 2 of them in case of injuries and kdb can also slot in as a striker while they use both silva's as playmakers.

Also the fact we are forgetting is that griezmann do have good playmaking qualities as well like rooney had where we used rooney as a 10 for years and years he's not that bad at it and also mkh is also supposed to be our playmaker which he was struggling when pogba was out but mkh is also a counter attacking playmaker on the right as well as in centre along with a playmaker like ozil if we get him on free.

Griezmann is a champions league quality star forward, and we lack players like that in our team as martial rashford and lukaku are still not top level yet but good potentials only.
 
Did we dodge a bullet here? considering the price and compensation package we can't afford a second player who blows hot n cold like Miki. He's been quite average for Atletico this season.
 
Mr PG said:
Did we dodge a bullet here? considering the price and compensation package we can't afford a second player who blows hot n cold like Miki. He's been quite average for Atletico this season.
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Atletico Madrid is like the former player Simeone: generous, organized, boring and lack of "insane skills" elsewhere.

Griezmann is the only one brilliant player there and can't do miracles every time.

The relationship Simeone-Griezmann isn't top nowadays and I even think Simeone is coward and ungrateful to put the blame on Griezmann!

Griezmann with France is more happy IMO
 
Adisa said:
Was for this transfer last summer...think it's simply cause I'm a muppet.
Now, i'm not so keen. He would help our movement in the final third but we need much more than that.
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Wanted him in the summer too as I was concerned about our goalscoring ability. Since then Martial and Rashford have turned up in terms of helping the striker with the goal scoring load. Now I want a Pogba alternative someone who can create when Pogba is absent. Doesn't have to be a cm, could be a right winger or a 10
 
Fecking pansey complaining about the English weather
 
Mr PG said:
Did we dodge a bullet here? considering the price and compensation package we can't afford a second player who blows hot n cold like Miki. He's been quite average for Atletico this season.
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Their whole team is average. This guy is one of the best players in the world imo. Hazard blew hot and cold that season Mou was fired. If you have a chance to sign him next season, are you going to pass it up?
 
@United_We_Stan
January is fast approaching and I suspect we will find out then.
 
I love watching this guy. Glides around the pitch. Him replacing Mkhitaryan would be big.

Martial, Lukaku Rashford
Griezmann
Pogba Matic

Dear God.
 
SAFicus said:
January is fast approaching and I suspect we will find out then.
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Even with Atletico (almost) crashing out of the Champions League, I don't think Griezmann will leave in January. And there is no way we make such mega-signings before summer.
 
SAFicus said:
@United_We_Stan
January is fast approaching and I suspect we will find out then.
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I believe his release is 200mill until the summer, we'd have to negotiate a deal with Atletico if he wants out in Jan.
 
No doubt he'd be a huge upgrade on what we presently have, any truth in the reports his form has dipped a little this season though?
 
United_We_Stand said:
Even with Atletico (almost) crashing out of the Champions League, I don't think Griezmann will leave in January. And there is no way we make such mega-signings before summer.
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Logically you have to be right, but I have a gut feeling that United will be active in January and it will give some clarity to all these rumours.

Even if we don't sign Griezeman or Dybala, who we do sign should give us a clue.
 
MyOnlySolskjaer said:
He’s French, what’s his issue with shit weather about?
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Not only French, Griezmann was born in Macon in continental east-central France. It's colder than Manchester 7 or 8 months a year (during the football season).
Maybe he should move to an MLS club in Florida or southern California.
 
We already have Lukaku so I'd like a number ten to compliment him and I don't think Griezmann is that guy. I know he can play on the right but he's not a hundred million player when he plays on the right.
 
BennyBlanco said:
I believe his release is 200mill until the summer, we'd have to negotiate a deal with Atletico if he wants out in Jan.
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Fairly sure it was 200 mil just for the summer window and reverted back to normal from then on. He'd be 100 mil in January though obviously cup tied for CL so it depends on whether Jose wants to try reign in City or he will wait til the summer.

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http://www.marca.com/en/football/spanish-football/2017/09/02/59aadaed268e3eab0a8b4594.html
 
GBBQ said:
Fairly sure it was 200 mil just for the summer window and reverted back to normal from then on. He'd be 100 mil in January though obviously cup tied for CL so it depends on whether Jose wants to try reign in City or he will wait til the summer.

Edit: included original story from marca

http://www.marca.com/en/football/spanish-football/2017/09/02/59aadaed268e3eab0a8b4594.html
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I did also read that the budget for this winter is based on player sales. I don't see any reason not going for him in January, especially as it looks like he wants out. Atleti will have Costa and Vitolo by then too. Never see such a big transfer in January though.
 
I wouldn't buy him. 100m€ is a bit much and you'd have to play a very specific system in order to get the best out of griezmann.
 
Baxter said:
I did also read that the budget for this winter is based on player sales. I don't see any reason not going for him in January, especially as it looks like he wants out. Atleti will have Costa and Vitolo by then too. Never see such a big transfer in January though.
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Torres and Mata stand out but they are the exception rather than the rule. I think that being cup tied or clubs not wanting to sell their big players mid season is probably a lot to do with it but the fact Griezmann seems to have stayed as a favour to Atletico due to the ban means maybe this might be pre-agreed. Always hopeful!!
 
Looking at what Griezmann has said that he does not care much for the english weather seems like a hint/clue where his next destination will be, I strongly suspect location and lifestyle are important too him, can honestly see him at Barcelona next summer, hope am wrong because he would absolutely be an upgrade on anything we have in his position!!
 
Mcking said:
You are literally telling us to keep changing formations and rotating every game, which Mourinho isn't exactly known for. We have played a lot of 3-5-2 due to poor form from our forwards and a succession of big games.
We're likely to play 4231 next season and if Griezmann and Ozil come here, they are expected to be starters in that formation (in both the UCL and EPL) which like I pointed out, lacks balance.
An attack won't click if you keep changing the shape and personnel; unless you are suggesting a permanent switch to 3-5-2 which immediately puts Martial and Rashford on the bench.
Griezmann is a quality player, but you don't just jump in and sign a player just because they are available, especially a 90m one - that's desperation.
Rashford and Martial are more than good enough to back-up Lukaku, the Belgian has a good injury record too.
We need a playmaker and a winger foremost and Griezmann is neither. Those two will make our attack depth as good as city's.
You might think City's attack depth is better than ours right, but you have to note they have only two strikers, one of which is ?20. It is all about striking balance, not filling the squad with strikers.
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I agree with most of the things here. First of all, we need to have one standard formation, whether its 4-2-3-1 or 3-4-3 that we use at least over 60% of the time and need to plan the squad around that. I don't like to see too many changes in starting XI when we are playing well/getting results.
Griezmann is certainly an upgrade on what we have but we should think carefully before spending reported sum of 92M. I am not a big fan of Ozil but I would rather have Ozil on a free than Griezmann and spend that money elsewhere ( fullbacks/ right winger/ centerhalf).
 
OoopsMisclick said:
I wouldn't buy him. 100m€ is a bit much and you'd have to play a very specific system in order to get the best out of griezmann.
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I don't think Griezmann is a player that needs such a specific system to bring something to the team. He's more versatile than that. It would take him an adjustment, but I believe he's a player capable of shining in different systems. I have no doubts he would be an impact player at the club after a little time spent adjusting to his new team/role.
 
People seem obsessed on having a ball rotating #10. Our most successful period wasn’t built around this and I can’t remember Mourinho really using a system built around a #10 like that bar Ozil at Madrid. Even there though the ball wasn’t rotated in a possession system which those players thrive in.

Griezmann is perfectly capable of picking a pass when needed and is he really that much more of a defensive liability than Mata/Mkhi?

In the big games we would probably switch to a 343/433 and he’d play as an inside right.
 
P-Nut0712 said:
People seem obsessed on having a ball rotating #10. Our most successful period wasn’t built around this and I can’t remember Mourinho really using a system built around a #10 like that bar Ozil at Madrid. Even there though the ball wasn’t rotated in a possession system which those players thrive in.
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Deco and Sneijder were also that kind of #10, and it's doubly important when you have a #9 who's biggest strength is running in behind, not holding the ball up.
 
As much as I like Greizmann, we could/should be using that 100m to purchase 2 new full backs that would seriously upgrade our attack. Young is the only member of the squad who is capable to consistently crossing the ball.

We also need a winger like Pulisic.
 
Devil may care said:
Deco and Sneijder were also that kind of #10, and it's doubly important when you have a #9 who's biggest strength is running in behind, not holding the ball up.
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But Griezmann has shown that he can pick those passes.
 
P-Nut0712 said:
People seem obsessed on having a ball rotating #10. Our most successful period wasn’t built around this and I can’t remember Mourinho really using a system built around a #10 like that bar Ozil at Madrid. Even there though the ball wasn’t rotated in a possession system which those players thrive in.

Griezmann is perfectly capable of picking a pass when needed and is he really that much more of a defensive liability than Mata/Mkhi?

In the big games we would probably switch to a 343/433 and he’d play as an inside right.
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He's type Mounichio player as much as Simone's. Not many attacker players would shine under Jose's system. Mikhi is an example, he only shines in Dortmund system because they are attacking team Grezimann, Ozil or Dybala would the be best choice for Jose's system in No. 10 or RW. Greizmann plays for Simone that has similar tactics as Jose. Dybala plays for Allegri that has the same formation as Jose and are a very pragmatic coach like Jose and Simone.
 
Can't we get Dybala with same price? Griezmann is also world class and did great job with Atletico previous years but IMO Dybala if possible can fit more in our system at num 10 role. However both are great hope we can sign someone.
 
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