He needs to play behind the striker. Pogba matic with greizmann ahead isn’t a balanced midfield at all. Lumping class players into a XI doesn’t guarantee anything.
Antoine Griezmann| Catalunya Radio say Griezmann to Barcelona is done for €100m
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Never gets old.A better quote is Bill Clinton saying ‘as Abraham Clinton once said - you can fewl some of the people awl the time, awl the people some of the time but you caynot fewl awl of the people awl of the time’ (spelt differently to attribute to his southern accent. I’ll get me coat)
Was Rooney that player? But we still used him at 10 effectively in his best days. Griezmann can link up and make a pass very well as well while being a second striker.
Griezmann is so much like wayne rooney
Dybala will be beyond our range as we also have to address other important problem specially on the right wing and full backs and one more midfeilder when carrick goes.
Hid mind is probably not there. He stayed there out of pity because of the transfer ban, otherwise he would've more than likely been playing for us.
That's how I feel too.
What players does he require behind him to make it balanced?
Tell Pep Guardiola that. He plays with 1 natural midfielder (Fernandinho). Everyone else ahead of his defence is an attacking midfielder or a forward/wide forward type.
I thought fakir was a center forward. Not sure how he would fit in our system. I like the idea of adding savic and playing 3 man midfield or letting pogba bimb forward. He is more than capable of doing that.
As for the clear out, I would keep herrera , mkhi(for one more season) and lingard just as a squad player. Rest must leave.
Fekir is not a centre forward.
Have not seen him much. Just checked he is more suited as a second striker and in an attacking midfield role. Won't be a bad option but again have not seen him much.
I wonder if Griezmann could function as an inside forward on the right in a 343/433
Put it this way guys......
If Griez was called Miki would you want to buy him based on this Calendar year (upwards of 40 games).
Thought not, 65m tops.
If Griez was called Miki would you want to buy him based on this Calendar year (upwards of 40 games).
Thought not, 65m tops.
His form this season implies we dodged a bullet.
He’s definately better than he’s showingso far this season, but not close to a £100 million player.
He’s definately better than he’s showingso far this season, but not close to a £100 million player.
He got overhyped, like a lot of players. I had been saying all along that he was not near as good as he was being made out to be. Still a good player mind you. But I dont think he would meet the hype had we signed him in the summer.
He seems very demoralised. No secret he wanted to join us but probably felt pressured to stay, unfortunately for him doing the generous thing wasn’t good for his career.
I wonder if we will still go in for him? £89m looks massive for a player in poor form.
I wonder if we will still go in for him? £89m looks massive for a player in poor form.
Sure, but I'm not sure you could ever describe Pep's tactical setup as "lumping."
I hope Barca get him for 100m. Would fit our style amazingly well.
We hardly play those formations.
@prath92? Was genuinely interested in your response to this.
He isn't a good fit for the current Atletico, the inclusion of Diego Costa should change a lot of things.
Where though? Left wing like at La Real? I don't see it. He increasingly looks like a player turning into a #10 and obviously we already have the best of all time there. Unless a 4-4-2, or 4-4-1-1 is what Valverde envisions but that would neuter Leo even more.
He is the type of player you struggle to get a position for if you sign. Having said that, he just doesn't fit you guys. Move on.
Probably two solid defensive midfielders or two creative passers? I expected an answer too.
Mourinho is never going to set his team up the way Pep does though. That's not to say we won't try Greizmann ahead of pogba and Matic but the overall setup and attacking intent is never going to be the same.
Oh I lost track of messages to reply
France in 2016 messed around till they played him as a CF (even dropped him iirc). Ideally he needs to have a midfield base behind him. At Atleti, he has gabi Tiago, Thomas and the likes behind him.
At united he wouldn’t play a false 9, because we have lukaku. Then the option is play him behind the striker. That may work in games like Newcastle home and the likes. Against the big teams, I wouldn’t be comfortable with a midfield like that.
Is Carrick leaving making much difference to our squad? Maybe if we have injury probs again but did we even use him this time?
Sounds like Fellaini is finally leaving though, so maybe we do need one.
If we could get a LB or one of the other positions in Jan, 3 players in summer doesn't sound too unrealistic (RB can be sorted the summer after). Big number 10/SS signing, medium sized rw signing, 'cheap' backup midfielder? Don't expect it to happen but it doesn't that crazy. Specially if we're taking a few players off the books.
Balague (I know) reckons he is leaving in the summer:
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/12087/11135499/atleti-preparing-for-griezmann-exit
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/12087/11135499/atleti-preparing-for-griezmann-exit
Those questioning his place in the team have bad memories. At the beginning of the first season Mourinho used Rooney as the no.10 until he played so poorly that he was forced to drop him. Mourinho chased Rooney when he was still a good player for the no.10 spot. Griezmann is very similar to Rooney in that he is a no.10 and second striker hybrid that can also play on the wing.
Griezmann will fit into the no.10 spot, but the fact that Ozil is available for peanuts might change that.
Griezmann will fit into the no.10 spot, but the fact that Ozil is available for peanuts might change that.
Still we need griezmann. If zlatan goes there is only lukaku who gets consistant goals in the team while rashford and martial are still learning and inconsistent. Griezman provides security as an alternative goal scoring option to lukaku, while we can still look at ozil along with griezmann and decide on Mata or mkhs futures.
You gave a bad example as Rooney didn't fit in.
Also, nobody said he won't fit into the no.10 role, rather he's not what we need for no.10
Goal scorers are not our problem right now. Rashford and Martial both have 7goals and will even score more if given the right service.
We desperately need a playmaker to take some creative burden away from Pogba.
Griezmann is just another runner - like Martial, Rashford and Lukaku that will keep making runs without being picked out. There's no way he is going to bang in the goals if he keeps getting the kind of service Lukaku got when Pogba was away.
We already adjust our tactics to the tougher opponents as it is though, so if Griezmann could come in and do a better job than Mkhi is (Which isn't that much to ask for), it would really enhance our current set-up IMO.
We've worked on and added a five man defence to our repertoire and Griezmann is used to playing 'under-dog tactics' from his time at Atletico. Griezmann is also used to working just as hard if not harder in defence compared to what Mkhi or Mata are currently, so I don't think we'll have to balance the team any more than we're already doing in the more difficult games.
If we could add a really strong LWB and Griezmann next summer I don't think we'd require much else.
I'd be interested to see us move towards tactics that utilize our strong spine more. Something like;
Rashford/Martial - Lukaku/Ibra
Griezmann/Mkhi
Pogba/Pereira- Herrera/Newbie
Matic/Blind
LWB -Rojo/Jones-Bailly -Valencia
Or, even easier would be to play 3 CBs and take out one of the DMs given our squads ratio between CBs to CMs.
I like him, but not sure if United need a player like him though. At least, in the short term to fix whatever the team is currently missing. Perhaps, a creative midfielder/playmaker/no. 10 that would be the critical connection between the midfield and forward.
At the moment, the team is playing either from the sides or lump it forward style to bypass the opponents midfield defensive lines. I am not talking about specific player, but someone like Ozil, Isco, Modric and even Kroos is more important than a second striker type like Griezmann. Plus, United already has Rashford, Martial, and Ibra that can play in that position.
At the moment, the team is playing either from the sides or lump it forward style to bypass the opponents midfield defensive lines. I am not talking about specific player, but someone like Ozil, Isco, Modric and even Kroos is more important than a second striker type like Griezmann. Plus, United already has Rashford, Martial, and Ibra that can play in that position.
He is still world class player and we can get him for decent prize in the current market, while ozil can come for free as a playmaker that way we get both goals and assists , and see on mata's and mkh's form this season. Ozil has been putting decent performances recently. Martial and rashford are progressing well but you can always expect inconsistancy from themin terms of goal return. Also if City also get sanchez and add more goals and quality to their team we would definately need more goals and assists. Dont just count out griezmanns class on few past games .Atletico madrid are not playing well overall and the blame alone should not go to griezmann's shoulders , May be he is disappointed to go to europa league and his shoulders have dipped.
At united its always better to have 4 striking options which are versatile With ibra gone Bringing in griezmann is the perfect sense option for us as city will also get sanchez in so we have to match them interms of goals , where as in the play maker role we can try to get ozil for free and decide on mata's or mkh future. A move back to spain will be tempting for them while we get hot prospects like soler in return. Time is comming where we need to find that perfect place for mata to play as we just dont use him in big games , although i hoped we did but he does not provide any balance in any system we play out there against big teams.
Both Ozil and Griezmann mean you will have to play one on the wing where they are not exactly great. One of our two attacking signings has to be a winger, meaning it is either Ozil or Griezmann and Ozil is the one we need more. Ozil won't be able to create a lot of chances from the wing as he does through the middle.
We shouldn't just sign a goal scorer for the sake of it if he's going to be starved of service anyway. City play with only one natural goalscorer and Napoli play with none - you don't need goal scorers to score goals. Once an attack clicks, goals will come.
Unless we bring in one hell of a playmaking winger, then I don't see the need for Griezmann.
How comfortable would he be playing on the right wing? We could do with some quality there and in my mind, would work well with Valencia providing the width.
Then could play with Lukaku / Rashford up top as Ibra drops deeper
Then could play with Lukaku / Rashford up top as Ibra drops deeper
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