Anthony Martial

What do think of the (supposedly) imminent signing of Anthony Martial?


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Right.

Except that if you calculated for inflation, then in today's Euros, Pounds, Dollar or Rupees Zidane would be more like 1.7 times his value, or around 70m pounds. And that's not taking into account the amazing amounts of money in football now that have skewed valuation comparisons.

£36m, £46m, it's silly to compare that to the amount Zidane went for 15 years ago and act as if that means we value him the same as Zidane, or that any kind of sense of value of our cost can be assisted by this comparison.

Why not mentioned Cantona went for £1m?
No....I'm not valuing him or comparing him to Zidane. Sky said that the deal could beat the Zidane deal in price so what I was saying is that we are paying at least £46m for him if that's true. And £46m seems a bit absurd for someone so unproven and unheard of right now

How are you not getting this?

Zidane is only in the conversation as it gives a price figure it's nothing to with ability or anything.
 
£36m, £46m, it's silly to compare that to the amount Zidane went for 15 years ago and act as if that means we value him the same as Zidane, or that any kind of sense of value of our cost can be assisted by this comparison.

Its especially silly when you consider the £ ve euro rates

2001 Zidane cost £46m which at the time was 75m euros making him the most expensive player in the world
in 2009 Kaka cost £56m which made him the most expensive player in the world - except that was only 68m euros so Zidane was still the most expensive player in the world
 
We just signed the next best thing for £36 million - which is a bargain as he will be worth a £100million in a few years time....so i really don't know why people are crying about our striking problem right now, when Martial will come good in the future.
 
Its especially silly when you consider the £ ve euro rates

2001 Zidane cost £46m which at the time was 75m euros making him the most expensive player in the world
in 2009 Kaka cost £56m which made him the most expensive player in the world - except that was only 68m euros so Zidane was still the most expensive player in the world
Zidane is only in this conversation because Sky said the deal could be higher than his. Which means Martial would cost at least £46m (or 55m I think if it's euros).

Don't know where all this inflation and ability comparison has come from.
 
We only have a net spend of 7m. City spunked 49m on Sterling and 55m on KDB.
I think it's worth the risk.
We just signed the next best thing for £36 million - which is a bargain as he will be worth a £100million in a few years time....so i really don't know why people are crying about our striking problem right now, when Martial will come good in the future.

The thing about this is that it's a risk. I think we should take the chance, but that doesn't mean it is actually work out.
 
We just signed the next best thing for £36 million - which is a bargain as he will be worth a £100million in a few years time....so i really don't know why people are crying about our striking problem right now, when Martial will come good in the future.

The fee shocked me too, but look at what happened with Hazard. Seemed too much at the time, kicking ourselves now. Similar age, only done it in Ligue 1, i remember all the accusations levelled at Hazard in 2012. There are a few parallels, however Hazard had obviously done it over a longer period.

It's a panic buy, but i'd much rather we got him than not.
 
Monetary policy tend to mean money experiences inflation, and is worth less as time goes on. If you want an accurate idea of what Zidane would go for today, you need to at least calculate for inflation.

Here is one calculation for you:

In 2014, the relative value of £100.00 from 2000 ranges from £137.70 to £175.10.

http://www.measuringworth.com/ukcompare/relativevalue.php?use[]=CPI&use[]=NOMINALEARN&year_late=2000&typeamount=100&amount=100&year_source=2000&year_result=2015
its also worth remembering that in 2001 the £46m Zidane cost was equivalent to 75m euros at the time.
as I say when kaka went for £56m in 2009 that was actually only 68m euros

so using the ranges you gave that equates to zidane costing between 102m and 132m euros when adjusted for inflation or £75m to £97m at todays exchange rates.
 
We just signed the next best thing for £36 million - which is a bargain as he will be worth a £100million in a few years time....so i really don't know why people are crying about our striking problem right now, when Martial will come good in the future.

No one can say that with even the slightest degree of certainty. He's only played 27 competitive games in his career apparently. Weren't Nani and Anderson going to be the next big things in football when we signed them?

Its a massive gamble, no matter what way you look at it. All we can do is hope its a gamble that pays off.

The fee shocked me too, but look at what happened with Hazard. Seemed too much at the time, kicking ourselves now. Similar age, only done it in Ligue 1, i remember all the accusations levelled at Hazard in 2012. There are a few parallels, however Hazard had obviously done it over a longer period.

It's a panic buy, but i'd much rather we got him than not.

Hazard was FAR more proven then Martial.
 
Marking down the 'moaners' and I guarantee you they'll flood his Performance thread with shit throughout the season.
 
Hazard was FAR more proven then Martial.

Of course, but i was just pointing out the similarities. The stuff thrown at Martial now was thrown at Hazard back then. Not saying he will follow the same trajectory, but we all said on here after he'd turned it on for Chelsea that we couldn't let the next one slide out of our grasp.
 
No one can say that with even the slightest degree of certainty. He's only played 27 competitive games in his career apparently. Weren't Nani and Anderson going to be the next big things in football when we signed them?

he's played 72 games not 27. Anderson had only played 56 games in comparison.
 
I signed him on FIFA 15 for 14 million. Good to see LvG taking following suit, although Woodward could take a few pointers in bargaining... But then again, I was born in Bombay, kinda more my alley this bargaining...
 
1) 36m is far too much for a gamble.
2) We have plenty of good youth players, not sure why we need him.
3) We are in need of attacking players now, and not in 5 years.
4) 36m is an absolutely ridiculous price for a nobody.

1, You don't know if its too much of a gamble yet, we need to see if we win or lose first.

2, I don't think we have many good strikers coming through the rank at the moment?

3, This I agree with. Seemingly nobody wants to join us!

4, Kinda same as the first point? He's not a nobody though.
 
When Manchester United signed Radamel Falcao from Monaco this time last year, they paid a £6m loan fee while covering his £265,000 per week wages. That gamble did not pay off, as Falcao struggled for form and fitness and scored just four goals for Louis van Gaal’s side.

At the end of this window, in far greater need of striking reinforcements than they were last year, United have gone back to the Principality to take an even greater gamble. While Falcao was a proven striker, if past his peak following a knee injury, Anthony Martial is a very different prospect.

The £36m fee – more than United paid for Luke Shaw last year – makes Martial the most expensive teenager in the history of British football. It is a remarkable sum of money for a player who does not turn 20 until December and who has scored only 11 senior Ligue 1 goals. Martial is certainly talented and has been compared, in terms of his talents and his style, to a young Thierry Henry.

There is no doubt, from watching Manchester United this season, that they need a player with some of Martial’s characteristics. He is quick and can play out wide or as a centre forward, always stretching opponents with his runs in behind. He is technically excellent, a dangerous dribbler, efficient in tight spaces and a good finisher.

After the departures of Falcao and Robin van Persie and Javier Hernandez’s proposed deal to Bayer Leverkusen, United do need far more in their front line. Despite Wayne Rooney’s hat-trick in Bruges last Wednesday, he has struggled for form in the Premier League and cannot be expected to lead the line – at least not very effectively – in all competitions all season.

How quickly Martial will settle, and how well he will develop, are the £36m questions. There are not many guaranteed strikers on the market and if United wanted Gonzalo Higuain, Karim Benzema or Edinson Cavani they would have had to pay a similar fee, and probably before 31 August. United, then, are left hoping that Martial will grow and develop into the role, becoming a world-class forward, justifying his fee or even worth more than it.

That is the calculation that Monaco made two years ago, which in this case has been emphatically rewarded. Back in the summer of 2013, when Monaco were spending more than £100m on Falcao, James Rodriguez, Joao Moutinho and the rest, they also spent smaller sums on talented youngsters. Among those was Martial, then a 17-year-old on the fringes of Lyon’s first team, who they signed for £3m.

Martial made steady progress in his first year at Monaco under Claudio Ranieri, starting eight league games and scoring twice. In the summer of 2014, though, Ranieri was replaced by Leonardo Jardim, whose work with youngsters at Sporting Lisbon had impressed Monaco.

Jardim trusted Martial, a teenager of growing maturity since becoming a father, and Monaco’s youngsters rewarded their coach with an impressive season. Martial scored nine league goals as Monaco finished third in Ligue 1. In Europe, Monaco reached the Champions League quarter-finals, and it was Martial’s powerful run down the left wing which set up Dimitar Berbatov when Monaco famously won 3-1 at Arsenal in the last-16. Martial can drift out of games, but he is also capable of delivering decisive moments.

This summer Monaco lost their Champions League qualification game with Valencia, sending them into the Europa League and prompting another sale of their youngsters. Layvin Kurzawa, Geoffrey Kondogbia, Lucas Ocampos, Yannick Ferreira Carrasco and others have gone, but Monaco have brought in more than £100m in transfer fees. That Martial signed a contract extension in June, to deter £18m interest from Tottenham, has been long forgotten.

Martial leaves Monaco with just one full season of first-team senior football under his belt. He has performed well there, and those who know him best believe that he may well develop into one of the best strikers in Europe. Martial has the pace, strength and skill to do that, and if he learns the consistency and application required then soon enough he will be worth at least what Manchester United are paying for him.

But when it comes to teenagers there are few guarantees, and United have left themselves in a position, at the end of August, when a gamble is their only option.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...uge-gamble-by-manchester-united-10480473.html
 
For what its worth, I'm happy to be signing a exciting young player. I don't really care about the price, we've got fecking loads of money anyway. Nice to see it being spent these days. What I do worry is we'll be asking too much for someone so young. At this moment in time we seem to be desperately short of players. Never mind quality ones and I feel we might be asking Martial to do too much too soon.
 
He is incredibly highly rated in France, which is great, considering, they've been watching him for the last couple of years... The price is nuts, but we can't hold that against him. He has no control over how much he get's sold for. I just hope he has a strong and healthy stint at United.
 
The fact is that he is in the French national squad. I don't expect him to play but they obviously think highly of him to bring a 19 year old into the squad.

Is £36m too much probably but it's not my money.
 
So has this BBC nugget been posted yet?:

Monaco say the deal is 80m euros (£58.75m) including bonus. The club were reluctant to sell him until United raised the initial fee they were willing to pay to 60m euros (£44m).


:lol::wenger:
 
Heard he's the youngest player ever in Ligue 1 to score as many goals he did last season together with another former Monaco player Thierry Henry which isn't too bad considering it's a lowscoring league, but there will be immense pressure on him because of LvG & his fetish for a thin squad and the price we paid. Hopefully it turns out well. No one can deny his talent.
 
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So has this BBC nugget been posted yet?:

Monaco say the deal is 80m euros (£58.75m) including bonus. The club were reluctant to sell him until United raised the initial fee they were willing to pay to 60m euros (£44m).


:lol::wenger:

So 20m euros in bonuses then
something like 1m euros per premier league and 1m euros per champions leage for the next five years. plus say 1m euros each season he scores 20 leage goals, and 5m if he wins a ballon dor in the next five years.
so probably not much more than 60m euros
 
For what its worth, I'm happy to be signing a exciting young player. I don't really care about the price, we've got fecking loads of money anyway. Nice to see it being spent these days. What I do worry is we'll be asking too much for someone so young. At this moment in time we seem to be desperately short of players. Never mind quality ones and I feel we might be asking Martial to do too much too soon.

This is pretty much my position. It's unfair on the lad and he should be a signing brought in to compete not be the saviour to our attack.

I think people would be a lot more positive if it looked like we had signed a proven attacker, it's the risk that's the issue more than the player
 
Looks like we will delay the announcement until later to mask the fact no other players will be coming in :nono:
 
For what its worth, I'm happy to be signing a exciting young player. I don't really care about the price, we've got fecking loads of money anyway. Nice to see it being spent these days. What I do worry is we'll be asking too much for someone so young. At this moment in time we seem to be desperately short of players. Never mind quality ones and I feel we might be asking Martial to do too much too soon.

I'm with Trigg on this. When we signed Rooney, we already had Van Nistelrooy and Saha and he although he did, he probably wasn't needed so much to take such a role at such a young age. Martial will have to go straight into the team.
 
I'll admit I know next to nothing about the guy. In fact, the only thing I know about him is that we're interested in signing him.

Cool name though.
 
I'm with Trigg on this. When we signed Rooney, we already had Van Nistelrooy and Saha and he although he did, he probably wasn't needed so much to take such a role at such a young age. Martial will have to go straight into the team.
The problem is that while all of us want to see Rooney replaced lvg probably still considers him his main man this season and martial is someone who can replace him in a few years and play games at different positions on the front line this season, rather than to replace Wayne.
 
We just signed the next best thing for £36 million - which is a bargain as he will be worth a £100million in a few years time....so i really don't know why people are crying about our striking problem right now, when Martial will come good in the future.
Problem is the here and now is the problem. I will be expecting a lot of this kid. We have paid as much for him than we could have played for an experience player, so he will have to produce at that price. Wayne Rooney produced when we signed him, so this lad will have to as well.
 
The problem is that while all of us want to see Rooney replaced lvg probably still considers him his main man this season and martial is someone who can replace him in a few years and play games at different positions on the front line this season, rather than to replace Wayne.

He could do enough to give Rooney competition though. Hopefully....
 
I'll admit I know next to nothing about the guy. In fact, the only thing I know about him is that we're interested in signing him.

Cool name though.

Thats a point, how do you actually pronounce his name?
 
Problem is the here and now is the problem. I will be expecting a lot of this kid. We have paid as much for him than we could have played for an experience player, so he will have to produce at that price. Wayne Rooney produced when we signed him, so this lad will have to as well.

That is the whole point of the sarcastic post, we essentially haven't solved our striking problems this season.
 
I keep reading that Ligue Un is a "low scoring league" as a defence of Martial's stats, but is it not more a case that Monaco are just a low scoring team?

Monaco only scored 51 league goals, where as PSG scored 83, Lyon 72, and Marseille 76.

Similarly, Chelsea scored 73, City 83, Arsenal 71 and United 62.


Basically, we're the Monaco of the Premier League.
 
Hopefully. But he is 19 after all. If he settles well I hope lvg doesn't revert to him as a striker and Rooney as a number 10.

It's definitely going to interesting. Rooney plus a few very young players snapping at his heels. It may work....
 
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