And by the tone of your posts, you'll be the first to be crying and complaining. Do you actually want him to be a success, or does it work better for your agenda for him to have a nightmare of a career at Utd?
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And by the tone of your posts, you'll be the first to be crying and complaining. Do you actually want him to be a success, or does it work better for your agenda for him to have a nightmare of a career at Utd?
Good point actually. That was in £ too, so actually higher than the lower of the two fees being quoted for Martial. For a left-back! Plus you have the added media scrutiny of him being English. Shaw doesn't seem to be crumbling under the pressure and he's still younger than Martial is now.
EDIT: Got my sums wrong. Thought the 36m fee was in euros. My bad.
I wonder this about many a poster around here. It's such a weird mentality.
No, why would I want him to succeed?
I suspect he won't cut him quite as much slack as he cut our last expensive signing.
Even if it is 50m EUR it's a helluva lot money. Trouble is, given he can be a hit or a miss. If he's a miss we'll find it very hard to recoup some of the money as he has no proven track record so it's unlikely someone else will buy him for a lot of money.
For me it is a stab in the dark. Sure the lad must have potential as we have scouted him, but makes absolutely no sense in bringing him that late and for that price. Would he be more expensive in the beginning of the window? I highly doubt so.
Shaw had 2 seasons in Premiership prior to his move and was named in the team of the year as well shortlisted for young player of the year. Also he was capped for England and made the squad for the WC finals.
To my knowledge Martial doesn't have those accolades and he has recently been called up for France for the first time.
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No he's not - Shaw is 20, Martial is 19...
Points still fair though, but Martial does have the added impact of moving countries / never playing the Premier League before... I don't think we can expect instant results from him, nor should we.
Of course I will. He's 19, and I'm not stupid.
Do you see me criticising any of our other poor performers?
The fee adds a bit of pressure and attention but at the same time is a signal of the faith the buying club has in the player. Also, if we rate him that highly then you'd hope he'd have enough about him to be able to deal with it. And i have to say, all this nonsense about the fee, is really for the press and people on the outside to bicker about. The least the United fans themselves can do is actually support the guy and see how he does and what ability he has. It's hardly as if we've signed someone like Andy Caroll for 35 million who we know for sure won't be worth it.
Out of interest would this make him the most expensive uncapped player ever? Herrera was uncapped too when he signed right?
The timing could plausibly be linked to Monaco not qualifying for the CL, while we did. Both events are very recent and will have had substantial effects on the finances and pulling power of the two clubs concerned. Which is the sort of event that could trigger a sudden move for a player we've been following for ages.
Players develop at different rates. The point about Shaw was about the possibility for a young player to thrive, despite having joined for an exorbitant fee. Which is exactly what Shaw has done, yet people are implying Martial can't/won't do the same because of the pressure that comes with his price tag.
Hey, it's just an early observation and initial opinion on what I've seen. He could turn out to be great for all I know.
Herrera still hasn't been capped.
i dont think anyone is annoyed that we are spending too much money mate, or even that we are arguably overpaying for him(even though nobody has details of the deal yet) I'm massively excited by him as a signing as i dont know anything about the guy, the issue is that he alone is not enough to fix the glaring issues we have in the final third. from what ive heard this dude has all the potential to be a top end player, but he's 19 and a best case scenario is probably 2 seasons before he can explode onto the scene properly.
We need a 9/10 ready to play Tomorrow, reus/greizmann/bale/pedro/isco/robben/ibrahimovic/muller/sanchez calibre signing to inject some fecking goals into this team.
End of the day the fee doesn't matter if Martial can handle the pressure that comes with it. Just needs a few goals and everyone will shut up about the fee.
Is the deal even done by now? Would be hillarious if it fails.
Well the manger spoke about pace and a possible replacement for Di Maria, and because he doesn't appear to be an out and out striker playing him out wide all be it initially would maybe make more sense. I think if he played as a 10 he would just get crowded out and struggle similar to how Memphis did.
Given how the manager has used players so far during his time here it's difficult to predict.
He was in for the medical yesterday.
Okay, so what's holding this up by now?
Probably just waiting for the right time to announce it. If we're signing anyone else today we might announce them together.
What's the rush ?
That was before we knew Rooney was going to be shit.
Nothing is holding it up. The deal is done and dusted, just not announced yet. Martial is already in France with the rest of the national team.
The little matter of scoring goals as well. We are not expecting Luke to carry our attack. If Wayne doesn't pull his finger out that is precisely what this kid will have to do. Wayne must be laughing, we have brought an attacker in but not sure he is a threat to his place. In fact Wayne might just be moved back to No.10. Personally I would have played this lad wide right with Rooney in the middle.
I can see why the Welbeck comparisons are popping up going by highlights. Let's hope he has a few more goals in him
Monetary policy tend to mean money experiences inflation, and is worth less as time goes on. If you want an accurate idea of what Zidane would go for today, you need to at least calculate for inflation.
Here is one calculation for you:
In 2014, the relative value of £100.00 from 2000 ranges from £137.70 to £175.10.
http://www.measuringworth.com/ukcom...&amount=100&year_source=2000&year_result=2015
The Welbeck comparision is as lazy as the Henry comparision.
For the money we're paying, this lad really better be the absolute dogs bollocks.
Stupid we let Welbeck go.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying.
My point is that it would be crazy to be paying £46m+ right now on such a unproven player
Can't believe the mirror gave him 'ARTS'.
You compared the price of Martial to Zidane, I'm explaining why that's a poor comparison.
the caf proper noun
a place where everything man united does is wrong.
examples:
purchasing youngsters
"we should buy the next big thing whilst they're available. it doesn't matter what they cost we just need to get them before someone else does and they're unobtainable."
"bah gawd, why are we paying so much for the next big thing? we're so stupid."
giving youth a chance
"we shouldn't be spunking £80m on the finished article, we are a club known for our youth set up, taking gambles on youth and making superstars, not buying them ready made."
"bah gawd, why spend so much money on an unknown, unproven youngster? for a bit more we could have the finished article."
a place where everything man united does is wrong.
examples:
purchasing youngsters
"we should buy the next big thing whilst they're available. it doesn't matter what they cost we just need to get them before someone else does and they're unobtainable."
"bah gawd, why are we paying so much for the next big thing? we're so stupid."
giving youth a chance
"we shouldn't be spunking £80m on the finished article, we are a club known for our youth set up, taking gambles on youth and making superstars, not buying them ready made."
"bah gawd, why spend so much money on an unknown, unproven youngster? for a bit more we could have the finished article."
Right.
Except that if you calculated for inflation, then in today's Euros, Pounds, Dollar or Rupees Zidane would be more like 1.7 times his value, or around 70m pounds. And that's not taking into account the amazing amounts of money in football now that have skewed valuation comparisons.
£36m, £46m, it's silly to compare that to the amount Zidane went for 15 years ago and act as if that means we value him the same as Zidane, or that any kind of sense of value of our cost can be assisted by this comparison.
Why not mentioned Cantona went for £1m?
Why's that funny?
the expectations are funny.
I'd expect the expectations of a £36 million player to be pretty high, regardless of the circumstances.
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