Debt payments? There just wasn't any value..
Anthony Martial
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Debt payments? There just wasn't any value..
I agree and in our system he makes more sense.
It depends on the situation
Football may not be as complicated as some think but it can be hugely difficult when it comes to making players to work effectively as a team challenging titles. Players are human and working as a team requires many different tactics and strategy and man management and training to make the most out of them. So yeah, its very easy to say this kid has potential to improve our attacking (anyone can improve our attacking now truth be told so its better than none. But just please don't expect a 19 year old to save our season. The danger of relying on Depay to become a CR7 to work magic will not end well for example
Just out of curiosity, how many loaned players have returned to the first team?
aww how cute.
Do we want him (i.e. identify, lock-in and pursue) or not.
Memphis and Martial are typical United signings. It's this sort of nonsense lately I can't get my head around. We've made that marquee signing with Schweinsteiger everyone was hoping for. We haven't lost our soul, since we continue to bet on young players and we've made smart signings with Schneiderlin and Darmian. We are improving. Did you expect things to continue the way they used to with Ferguson in charge?
Considering you are wrong about most players, this makes me even more hopeful.
No way. This is exciting.
I want to watch him play. I want to see him grow up. There's nothing more exciting than buying a teenage prodigy, just to see what happens.
Some people really just find anything to moan about.
First we do not know what the supposed fee is composed of. Journalists have been known to liberally convert between euros and pounds, or to include add-one and sometimes even wages.
Some of the add-ons may never be triggered. Do posters really think that Woody is some sort of schizophrenic madman who was excellent at getting Darmian, Depay, Schmidfield at good prices suddenly turn to shit and massively overpay for Martial?
And why are people saying with a few more millions we could have gotten Pedro or Griezmann or whoever? Sometimes the simple answer is that we didn't want those guys as badly. All is hypothetically anyway. It is weird that people believe we were ripped off by a panic buy but believe that the clubs of Griezmann or whoever will not rip us off in the last 2 days of the window.
To those who say that if he were that good, Barca would have already bought him. If that's the case, forget about us signing any player that Barca watches. How can people moan when a player picks Chelsea, Barca or Real over us blame the club for dithering and out executives being useless and then when we finally sign a player that Barca and Chelsea also watches, turn around and claim the player was not good enough? If that is the view, the club will never be good enough in the eyes of these so-called fans.
For those who say that even the fee of £36m is too much, I can only say that I trust the guys who have been scouting for years, the coach that has groomed the likes of Muller and Xavi, the guy who's brought us some of the best commercial deals to value the player much better more than some fans who watch Ligue 1 occasionally and check out stats on FM. I bet some were laughing at Real for paying £80m for Ronaldo.
Chill out about the fees I say. We didn't go under with supposedly over £1bn of debt and I highly doubt our accountants have suddenly become inept. The base fee could be paltry with add-ins for goals, appearances, CL, Ballon D'or or could even be paid in installments. But it is always cooler and more sensational to report the big ridiculous numbers.
Honestly I don't know how Martial is going to turn out. I only know that this signing gives me more buzz than ADM or Falcao did last year. Why? Probably because in youngsters like Martial there is a potential for greatness, for laying a great foundation and we should enjoy watching how such a raw gem is being moulded. Everyone was unknown before, I would love it if Martial became "known" at Manchester United.
First we do not know what the supposed fee is composed of. Journalists have been known to liberally convert between euros and pounds, or to include add-one and sometimes even wages.
Some of the add-ons may never be triggered. Do posters really think that Woody is some sort of schizophrenic madman who was excellent at getting Darmian, Depay, Schmidfield at good prices suddenly turn to shit and massively overpay for Martial?
And why are people saying with a few more millions we could have gotten Pedro or Griezmann or whoever? Sometimes the simple answer is that we didn't want those guys as badly. All is hypothetically anyway. It is weird that people believe we were ripped off by a panic buy but believe that the clubs of Griezmann or whoever will not rip us off in the last 2 days of the window.
To those who say that if he were that good, Barca would have already bought him. If that's the case, forget about us signing any player that Barca watches. How can people moan when a player picks Chelsea, Barca or Real over us blame the club for dithering and out executives being useless and then when we finally sign a player that Barca and Chelsea also watches, turn around and claim the player was not good enough? If that is the view, the club will never be good enough in the eyes of these so-called fans.
For those who say that even the fee of £36m is too much, I can only say that I trust the guys who have been scouting for years, the coach that has groomed the likes of Muller and Xavi, the guy who's brought us some of the best commercial deals to value the player much better more than some fans who watch Ligue 1 occasionally and check out stats on FM. I bet some were laughing at Real for paying £80m for Ronaldo.
Chill out about the fees I say. We didn't go under with supposedly over £1bn of debt and I highly doubt our accountants have suddenly become inept. The base fee could be paltry with add-ins for goals, appearances, CL, Ballon D'or or could even be paid in installments. But it is always cooler and more sensational to report the big ridiculous numbers.
Honestly I don't know how Martial is going to turn out. I only know that this signing gives me more buzz than ADM or Falcao did last year. Why? Probably because in youngsters like Martial there is a potential for greatness, for laying a great foundation and we should enjoy watching how such a raw gem is being moulded. Everyone was unknown before, I would love it if Martial became "known" at Manchester United.
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Lol this
Yes. But LVG (Chich and Januzaj) doesn't rate them anyway, if they were going to be sold/loaned. So we would have ended up with just Rooney/ Hernandez for the season. What I don't understand is, after all the talk of getting business done early, after last season, we still find ourselves in a terrible deadline day scenario. Do we seriously have to believe that we had to scout and negotiate with players/clubs for 2 months to sign a player?. Wasn't this supposed to be done at the end of last season and the players signed and be ready for the season?.
So basically Monaco played Valencia, Phil Neville was impressed and immediately phoned Giggsy, who in turn recommended to LvG. Let's pray it didn't go down like this.
Remember Rooney first start in the champions league or Ronaldo he will be a good player for usNo way. This is exciting.
I want to watch him play. I want to see him grow up. There's nothing more exciting than buying a teenage prodigy, just to see what happens.
How does he compare to laccazette
Yes, because the base figure was £13m, with £13m of potential add-ons, making £26m in potential total. It's very obvious that the base figure was not £26m, because no club pays the total potential figure up-front, in one go, with no add-on clauses,
Or Monaco wanted to keep their top players to give them every chance of qualifying and then negotiate the ins and outs?
Didn't they sell their star defender to Valencia after they failed to qualify? I forget his name but it was clear he was up for sale all summer and had to wait until their loss v the Spanish side.
Hardly a coincidence
He's at Carrington now.
So, it took us the best part of 2-3 months to sign 1 striker?. Are we to believe this?. We knee RVP was going to be sold and falcao not renewed, yet we wait till the last day to get a striker in. Its the same with the GK situation. It's as if Woodward has a deal with sky to keep things interesting on deadline day for them to get some news!!
It's like A bad dream all this.
Yes that's how an huge club decided to spend 36m on a player.
He's going to score a hat trick vs Liverpool and the priec will be forgotten just like Rooney's instantly was, just watch
Raoul,
This kid has been on the radar for awhile especially the last 18 months he has improved immensely maybe the fee is too much but who cares we will sell thousands of kits with his name on it. Be happy mate
Who?
Aren't all football transfer fees usually reported including addons? Don't see why this one should be any different. Excited about this transfer but that's absolutely MENTAL money for an unproven 19 year old. We're really not doing ourselves any favors for future negotiations with other clubs.
I was joking. Football doesn't make me happy or sad anymore these days.
We're the richest club in the PL and probably the world. We finished 7th under Moyes, so I can't see how you count that season - that's as good as result as Moyes was capable of, no matter who he bought (or panic bought). So under LVG we have a spend of £225m (+ £36m pending) with about £75m in sales... £150m (£186) on a squad that needed a complete overhaul. For that we have finished 4th (after the Moyes debacle) and we have now qualified for the CL proper. Top teams spend money, the big and rich clubs spend more and with the game now awash with money those fees only get bigger. So no, I don't see a discrepancy at all. Man City spent far more building their squad from nothing and they still haven't come close to winning the CL. It's the way the game has gone. Lesser clubs like Spurs and Liverpool have to hunt for the bargains or take a gamble (see the proceeds for the sales of Bale and Suarez) because they can't compete financially and they can't offer CL football or a realistic challenge for the league.
Aaaand we're back to him being the only journalist who said it was £13m upfront.
You're kidding yourself if you think half of the fee for a player as established as Soldado at the time was based on clauses. That does not happen in football.
I dont even know how to respond lol
Where did you get this figures? The bigger questions though is whether he can play to his potential and if his name will scare teams playing us? I don't think a potential is what we need this season, and it seems LvG was scared of signing players like ADM and now resorted to panic buy with a hope of training a youngster to save our attacking situation. Its sad
Any pics? source?
When he dislodged Berbatov at the end of last season he scored 8 in 12 starts.
How much would we be looking for Adnan if he played that well?
MEN - pics shortly, they say
The Madridistas won't like your username, Florentino.
No way. This is exciting.
I want to watch him play. I want to see him grow up. There's nothing more exciting than buying a teenage prodigy, just to see what happens.
This. If you can't get excited with the club signing someone labelled the next Henry then your priorities are all wrong.
Forget the price like, we'll have arguably three of the best under-21 talents in world football (Shaw, Depay and Martial). Exciting times.
Its on MEN and reported by Samuel Luckhurst.
Anyone else seeing people on twitter show a video of Martial 'missing' an open goal and celebrating, which he obviously scored? Is there something I'm missing here?
One of the bonuses is dependent on him becoming European Footballer of the Year, so clearly both we and Monaco have high hopes for him.
Cleverly, Welbeck, Evans...
Yep. People are looking at his goalscoring record like it means something... He was 18 at the start of last season and wasn't a starter until the second half of the season as he turned 19. Just seems like a natural progression.
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