Who they would WANT to leave, not most likely.
Anthony Martial
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Well it will be some sort of battle of wits if you may say. I was checking transfer window closing times across Europe and Germany's closes today at 6PM (CET I guess), that's 7 hours from now. So effectively, we need to agree price with Monaco for Martial soon so that Chicharito completes his move to Bayer in time. If we let Monaco dilly-dally and sell Chicharito before agreeing fee with Moanco, then yes we will end up paying heavy premium for Martial.
That's who we're missing.
Shouldn't it be fairly easy to recognize whether a player is available or not? Muller or Bale were said to be unsellable by the respective clubs a while ago and we took a day before the deadline to finally recognize that? Unless we are managed by clowns, nothing about bidding in for Martial makes sense. Especially a day before deadline.
The question for me is yet again 3 seasons on, we are left doing our business so late. I accept that sometimes signings present themselves and you have to react but if we don't sign a forward, we will have potentially ONE recognised striker in the first team. Sorry I'm with you, If this happens, this man needs to leave our football club because that's incompetence at best.
What makes you think we made our first bid today? There's usually a disconnect between the timing of leaks to the press and dialogue between the two clubs.
TBH Martial was probably on totally different list then Muller and Bale. They are ready players for our first 11, Martial is a great potential. It is more likely that we decided to move for him now because we are worried that other teams will be after him if we leave it for next season.
Yup. It is weird with people here. When we used to spend less during Fergie-Gill era for 'lack of value' , people used to shot down those supporting 'lack of value' argument saying club has lots of money and we are big club we need to pay more etc. Now when club appears to pay premium for players, they use price to call a signing good or bad.
To me, the only downside of 60m+ Euro deal for a unproven 19 year old will be the expectation burden it will put on him and how press will use that amount every time he has bad game (which he will surely have initially). otherwise I am not too concerned about price we pay, it is club's job to balance books, not fans'.
And the absence of CL, when Monaco was in CL the chance of signing him was close to none, but now...
Griezmann plays as a CF for Atletico Madrid. Perfect Rooney replacement!
How do you know the details about our sudden bid for martial? Could it be that we were forced to act because another club got involved?
How would you rather we had handled the gk situation? By bending over backwards once Real came calling and refused to pay a fair price? Pretty sure you'd be complaining about the same had we done so.
What's wrong with how he treats the press? After a match, he wants to discuss the game, not transfers. I have no issues with him treating the press for what they are, a bunch of pricks looking for controversial stories.
Rooney, poor as he has been, doesn't make a club a laughing stock. Think you need to be less sensitive if you feel so.
Again regarding the pedro deal, you do not know what happened. Maybe we did refuse to cough up 2 Mil, maybe he wasn't desperately wanted in the 1st place and we were dithering because we were targeting someone else, maybe he simply chose to stay in London. Considering our spending in the last few years, I would bet good money that it wasn't us dithering over couple of Mil that made the deal fall through.
Already answered the last bit about going in last minute. Regardless of what you think of us, pretty sure you'd agree we didn't just bid for him because we lost to Swansea.
This lad has great potential but you bring these young players in to compliment what you already have. We need an established CL proven forward and potential right now is a luxury we can't afford.
That said, the papers are having a field day with us cause of the huge anomalies we left in our squad. The fans are so desperate for it to be addressed, everything turns into something it's clearly not. This IMO is another red herring.
That said, the papers are having a field day with us cause of the huge anomalies we left in our squad. The fans are so desperate for it to be addressed, everything turns into something it's clearly not. This IMO is another red herring.
Do you rate this guy @JPRouve?
It's absolutely plausible that we kept tabs on Martial - we do have a huge scouting network after all - but wanted to wait until next season to let him get some experience and to assess him further. However, Van Gaal might have lost confidence in his forward line which is understandable, especially that even before the crappy start in the league (in terms of attacking performances) he said we would need an extra attacking player. So we decided to take action now. Bigger and better targets (Reus, Griezmann) are probably not available. At least I hope that is the case, and not that we haven't even tried...
I'm only guessing, of course, but it seems to make sense to me. The rumoured fee is insane though, no denying that. If he feels he's worth it, go ahead; it's his job that's on the line.
Oh I agree with you. We were stupid to leave it this late in the window for acquiring a player.
I'm selling him as if I was his agent and you ask me that? Yes, I rate him highly.
But I think he should stay at Monaco and 50m is too much.
Not that easy to sign someone like that at the best of times, certainly not easy with less than 48 hours to go. Shame that we've already got one at the club, who has turned to absolute shite.
to be fair, this has probably been going on for a while. During the muller/pedro saga LVG always said the striker we wanted hasn't been named by the press yet. We all assumed he meant muller or maybe ibrahimovic but I guess he meant martial all along.
Just because the news has suddenly leaked doesn't mean it was the first bid. I wouldn't be surprised if the club has leaked this to try and give the fans something to talk about.
Time will tell though if Monaco give in.
Just because the news has suddenly leaked doesn't mean it was the first bid. I wouldn't be surprised if the club has leaked this to try and give the fans something to talk about.
Time will tell though if Monaco give in.
Aha just seen your posts above.I'm selling him as if I was his agent and you ask me that? Yes, I rate him highly.
But I think he should stay at Monaco and 50m is too much.
There's also the fact that Monaco aren't in the CL this season. That might have meant Martial's camp are upping the stakes, so he can get the move now.
Agree but other so called big teams manage it. We have lowered our bar and we are a million miles from the Real, Barca and Bayern's of the world. The most we can now hope for its the players that they no longer want. It's like shopping at their car boot sale.
Thinking about this, truth is if he is as talented as people say then our best chance to sign him is now, well before any big teams have taken interest. If he has a good/great season it will be very difficult to get him ahead of other big clubs.
When striking options consist of a declining Rooney, and Wilson, who has it all to prove at this level, it seems odd to go after a 19 year old who has it all to prove at this level.
lol they ae asking for the 70/80 mil euros.
Isn't that Greizmann's buyout clause.
Isn't that Greizmann's buyout clause.
We have definitely made a mistake leaving it so late in the window.
That United side had Keane, Scholes, Giggs, Solskjaer, Neville, a young Ronaldo and Ferguson as manager. We were in between great sides but had won the league the previous year under a guy who's presence alone could usually guarantee top 3.
3rd season making the same mistakes....
Wasn't this the logic behind signing De Gea, that we would have the posts covered for fifteen years but here we are looking for another GK just a 1/3 of expected length of service. My point is that with these European kids it is never guaranteed like we have found out with Ronaldo and De Gea, hell even the amounts of money we have spent to keep Rooney here an argument could be made that a club like City that signed Aguerro for a large sum and will look to replace him in the next few years and spend big on another top striker will, in the final analysis, have spent roughly equal what we have forked out on Rooney's contracts but can actually claim to have had a better return in terms of quality of service from their two strikers than we have had from Rooney. When you spend big on a teenager he does not sign a fifteen year contract and in all the cases you invest in game time and loss of points for the first two or three years whilst they find their feet and if they become special as expected they agitate for a move or squeeze as much as possible in contract negotiations.
Because this transfer looks at least possible to be done a lot earlier than being dragged onto deadline day if we had interest in him earlier. Unless there were other targets we thought were possible, it need not have dragged onto the final day.
Okay I've just watched a highlights package video on YouTube and I've just decided he's our saviour (even though he's probably average)
Plus his name is Martial, so yeah, I'm fully on-board with this.
How do you pronounce that, by the way - like Martial Arts, or Mar-tee-al? Need to know so I can tell my friends/family that I've wanted us to sign him for months...
Plus his name is Martial, so yeah, I'm fully on-board with this.
How do you pronounce that, by the way - like Martial Arts, or Mar-tee-al? Need to know so I can tell my friends/family that I've wanted us to sign him for months...
Is his name pronounced Marty-Al, or Marshal?
If that was the case then why didn't we move for him earlier? I am not too worried about paying over the top for him anyway but for me he plays for Monaco who are a selling club and dealing with other clubs is lot easier earlier in the transfer window when the clubs can't play the no time to get replacement card.
Neither.
Marcial if you can somehow imagine it. That c is somewhat between c and s or so I think.
2-3 years' time. In 2-3 years' time, this joke of a transfer better turn out good than becoming a nightmare. That's all I hope for.
mar-see-al
Looks average, he's pacey but lack close control. He's similar to Depay than. I'd rather we dont buy anyone this late
I was going to write a considered comment, but sod it.
What a set of fecking imbeciles we have running the club.
That should suffice.
What a set of fecking imbeciles we have running the club.
That should suffice.
Why not try for Mario Gotze? They brought in Coman from Juve so might be open to the idea of him leaving. Martial and Gotze would be good signings.
Maybe due to Monaco still being in the UCL qualifying
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