Deschamps 
9
Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 45
- Goals
- 11
- Assists
- 11
- Yellow cards
- 1
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They are light in midfield. I still dont understand how Sissoko and Coman make that team every time. Coman is massively overrated, nowhere near as talented as people make out.
In that attacking list, the only one who is in comparable form to Martial right now is Mbappe and maybe Griezmann.
Don't think he will start next league game or league games in general just yet. Yesterday was an important step in him starting a game and influencing it from the off. So that pushes him further in terms of inclusion from the start in league games but he will need to do this consistently whenever he is given a start. He'll definitely get some starts in the league in October and needs to grab the opportunity with both hands.
At the moment Rashford is edging it in terms of helping the side to wins whilst being a starter (despite the lack of performance in an attacking sense) and therefore will retain his spot as a starter, as tactically whether by luck or not, he's helping us get results so no need to change it and take a risk.
Think everyone just needs to be patient, as I am sure Mourinho sees him as the starter LW by the time we get to winter. He's just slowly easing him in whilst ensuring he keeps Martial hungry, focused and really motivated to keep his place once he gets back into the side.
Right now how he is handling them both is fine.. he hasn't pissed anyone off just yet, so just need to chill out and let Jose do what he's doing. If Martial breaks into the side, has awesome league performances from the start and then is inexplicably dropped for no reason, then we can have cause for complaint.
At the moment Rashford is edging it in terms of helping the side to wins whilst being a starter (despite the lack of performance in an attacking sense) and therefore will retain his spot as a starter, as tactically whether by luck or not, he's helping us get results so no need to change it and take a risk.
Think everyone just needs to be patient, as I am sure Mourinho sees him as the starter LW by the time we get to winter. He's just slowly easing him in whilst ensuring he keeps Martial hungry, focused and really motivated to keep his place once he gets back into the side.
Right now how he is handling them both is fine.. he hasn't pissed anyone off just yet, so just need to chill out and let Jose do what he's doing. If Martial breaks into the side, has awesome league performances from the start and then is inexplicably dropped for no reason, then we can have cause for complaint.
Giroud is adored by Deschamps. He always makes it regardless. I guess every manager has those players they always pick regardless of their form, abilities and whatever else.
Still picking Coman and fecking Sissoko.
Guroud's inclusion is justified though.
Sissoko and Payet over Bakayoko and Martial is typical Deschamps.
Used to be!
It's OK to believe Rashford will start the next league game because Mourinho prefers him but this argument that Rashford edges him right now in helping the team is nonsense. People are just trying to rationalise Rashford being picked ahead and come up with all these intangible reasons as to why he's doing more than Martial to start over him when the answer is a lot simpler.
And Martial has been doing just fine starting games, this isn't an exception. He's started 4 games so far this season and beside the Basel game in which he was quiet, he's been electric in 2 of them and good in the other one.
Martial has had no problems playing from the start. It's something that randomly started being thrown around AGAIN to justify his exclusions from starting line ups.
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Let's just his non selection has to do with Deschamps being a clown rather than Martial being injured. Picking Thauvin, Payet over him would be ridiculous but expected from him.
He should be in above all their forwards bar Griezmann and Mbappe. Without derailing, midfield looks average without Pogba and Bakayoko.
No Bakayoko either.
I'm talking in general. Beside has he started well at Arsenal this season?
Though regardless he's one of a kind and understandable that Deschamps would need a player of his profile and he's the most proper striker out of all those players in the list.
It will be. Martial got a lot of stick for the Euros but he had a bad half then got frozen out for the rest of the competition. Deschamps just doesn't like him for whatever reason.
You're talking to a guy who would have Martial starting all day long. I am just saying, regardless of whether or not we like it or deem it justified, at the moment we are getting results and as United fans, we should be content with that.. furthermore it isn't like Martial is being completely excluded or seems unhappy. He looks very determined, so he obviously feels that he will be rewarded in the long run and that Mourinho has faith in him otherwise he'd kick up a fuss.
Yes I think he should be starting but you can see why a difficult and contrary manager like Jose is doing what he is doing. At the moment he hasn't taken the complete piss, and he is getting results so lets be patient. It is a long season ahead and I am sure if Martial is as good as we all think he is, he'll break into the side before long and force Jose's hand as well as Deschamps.
Yeah Deschamps is clearly a clown. Left out Bakayoko too but has freaking Sissoko.
Deschamps is just wasting away all that French talent.
Of course, pick the mighty Thauvin. Another weird thing is Martial has had more game time than Coman (and obviously better) stats yet still not picked.
I believe if Martial is given a fair run then he'll make it impossible for Deschamps to drop him for the WC.
So I'm okay with him not being selected right now.
He'll get dropped of course, and thread will be overrun by the usual people with 'why sould he get picked? He's shit, the manager knows' etc
Deschamps is an extremely pragmatic manager which is one of the reason I believe he's just not suited for France current talent pool and just wasting them away.
Deschamps is the type of guy if he was managing a team like England 10-15 years ago and Sissoko was English, he'd pick him over Scholes.
If something isn't broke, why fix it? We're doing fine as things stand in rotating Martial and Rashford, it helps keep them fresh which will benefit us at the back end of the season also. Matas stats will start reflecting his performances soon enough, it's only around the corner imo.
Deschamps is as stubborn as Van Gaal.
It doesn't work like that. There is something called evolution, progression etc. If there is a chance to improve things then one grabs it.
You think either of Martial or Rashford will stay content with rotating if they keep producing?
What pisses me off the most about Deschamps is his Sissoko obsession.
In the Euro he even had Pogba sitting deep while allowing a clown like Sissoko to be the furthest midfielder. Deschamps instead of finding ways to free Pogba to go forward by either integrating Kante in his midfield earlier or other solution, he has Pogba wasted deep while Sissoko the guy with freedom.
Really enjoyed watching him link up with Lukaku last night. Really need to be finding a way to fit him in with that extra freedom to roam around that inside left channel which allows him to thrive, which Mourinho mentioned.
Because Martial has outperformed Rashford and deserves a run in the starting eleven. There's nothing to support the idea that we'd do worse if we switch their places.
If the manager isn't ready to reward Martial's fantastic performances with a place in the starting eleven, then it sends the wrong signal to the rest of the players. You can't keep dropping one of your best and most in-form attackers every time there's a league game and just hope he'll be content with 10-15 minutes as a sub.
The usual suspects won't show themselves right now, just like the old Rooney threads where after a poor performance his supporters would disappear for a few days then come back with a venom towards the end of the week. Right now his ability is beyond doubt and its stupid to argue against his continued rotation when we have guys who have done much less still starting.
I was particularly impressed with his passing last night and if he continues to add it to his skill set then he will be unplayable soon.
Both players are evolving and helping the team/themselves progress as things stand.
We played a near 70 game season last season, something similar this season and they'll both play the right amount they need to. If or when we get knocked out of cup competitions is when Jose will pick one as a starter and one as back up. We've tried both in the RW position in the past and neither played to the same standard as on the LW.
I think we're perfectly fine how we're lining up, we'll continue to improve with each game also. This play would go crazy if either played RW and didn't have the same output as on the LW, it'd also dent the confidence of the player when there's no need.
Can't believe France haven't picked him despite all the talent they have in attack, hope it's got nothing to do with him limping off.
That's not what I'm arguing, I'm saying there's no need to shoehorn both into the same starting XI at the moment. Personally I'd start Martial and keep Rashford for the latter stages of the game.
So he's actually been the most on form and most productive French attacking player so far this season and still can't get a look in.Thauvin's got a decent record this season to be fair.
What is it with Martial and them pragmatic managers?
I think a few things needed to be said to prevent the same tired old tripes being spouted in this thread:
'Martial FC' have it in against Rashford
No, there are some who rates Rashford, some don't. But besides a very few, anyone would be glad if Rashford makes it to be a top class player. The kid is homegrown, has fantastic attitude and already contributed a fair share to the club since his senior debut. No one hates him or wants him to fail.
'Martial FC' value his development above the welfare of the club
This is a figment of the detractors' imagination. People want Martial in the team because they believe his inclusion will be for the good of the club. They believe that for both the short and long term having and developing an attacker of his potential and calibre will help Utd win things. And some, I'm on of them, believe that if he's not getting a fair shake here then it'd be justified for him to go elsewhere should he believes that's the way to realise his potential, like Pogba did, and that'd be a huge shame for us.
By all means, keep discussing the pros and cons of his game, what he brings to the team, but these baseless and scurrilous accusations do not help the conversation, and only bring about animosity and cheap point scoring.
'Martial FC' have it in against Rashford
No, there are some who rates Rashford, some don't. But besides a very few, anyone would be glad if Rashford makes it to be a top class player. The kid is homegrown, has fantastic attitude and already contributed a fair share to the club since his senior debut. No one hates him or wants him to fail.
'Martial FC' value his development above the welfare of the club
This is a figment of the detractors' imagination. People want Martial in the team because they believe his inclusion will be for the good of the club. They believe that for both the short and long term having and developing an attacker of his potential and calibre will help Utd win things. And some, I'm on of them, believe that if he's not getting a fair shake here then it'd be justified for him to go elsewhere should he believes that's the way to realise his potential, like Pogba did, and that'd be a huge shame for us.
By all means, keep discussing the pros and cons of his game, what he brings to the team, but these baseless and scurrilous accusations do not help the conversation, and only bring about animosity and cheap point scoring.
Thauvin's got a decent record this season to be fair.
It's Coman that stands out here. Martial offers everything he does and more. Neither are particularly hard working industrious wingers and are all about their attacking output.
Thauvin's got a decent record this season to be fair.
He was very good for Marseille last season, too.
Thauvin's got a decent record this season to be fair.
Fair enough.
No problem mate
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