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Deschamps about Martial ( 38 min ) :

" I called Martial when he was very young. I give him his chance but he wasn't always good unfortunately ( especially at the Euro ). And with Mourinho he isn't a starter but I agree with you, this season Martial seems focus , he's very good we saw that yesterday against CSKA with 1 goal and 2 or 3 assists.

I think that Martial is a player who is better as starter. I don't see him as a super sub.

He could have been called... if I have something to say to him, it's to continue like this and make me think again and again ( with a smile ) "

Martial has proven that he can put in performances both as a starter or supersub, Deschamps has to stop with his excuses.

And he slams Martial for not taking his chances when called previously yet he continously called the likes of Coman.
 
Excellent that he's not been picked. Start him against Palace and he can rest fully over the international break especially if he still nursing a niggling injury
 
I don't think being snubbed by France would affect his confidence. Might anger him, frustrate him but I don't see how it would hurt his game. If anything, it gives him all the more more reason to perform. A player knows when he's playing well and when he isn't. Actually being shit is what shatters confidence, not being underappreciated.
 
I never asked why a player would want to be called up, I asked why do we want them to be called up midseason when there is risk of injury and fatigue. SAF used to lie about them being injured so as to give them a rest during the break. I just dont sit here waiting on team sheets for National teams hoping to see united players on it, i just find it weird. Herrera hasnt made Spain squad are we going to think hes going to move on too? Martial has played more and been uch better than Giroud and Giroud is called up, thats the brakes, its alot to do with politics with International Games.

"but if a player feels that the lack of chances for his club team limits his chances of making the national team, then it increases the likelyhood of that player moving on."
 
Selecting Coman over Martial is criminal but anyway that's one less injury to worry about during the break!
 
"but if a player feels that the lack of chances for his club team limits his chances of making the national team, then it increases the likelyhood of that player moving on."
I saw that... Which player is getting a lack of chances ? You can get all the chances in the world and still not get picked till someone retires. Look on Carrick and Scholes. Martial is being played and getting all the chances. Him not being selected has nothing to do with us and us being dissapointed that martial isnt making the france squad to sit on the bench and fiddle his thumbs is just strange in my opinion as it doesnt benefit us.
 
Who's he in a straight fight with? Martial doesn't play on the right.
He should be in a straight fight with every other attacking options. We can always play a different 3 behind Lukaku without Mata. Same as we can do so without Miki, or Rashford or Martial.

The point is those attacking spots, especially behind Lukaku should be up for grabs for any of those 4(not counting Lingard because he isn't starter material). So denying any sort of competition for place on the likes of Mata and Miki while Martial and Rashford are the only ones subjected to rotation isn't right.

If both Martial and Rashford keep form for any extended period of time while one of the other two attackers isn't also performing consistently to very high standard then as the manager Mourinho should find a way to field his best players. It's not like fielding both Martial and Rashford at the sAmerican time upretty any sort of balance like some people would like to believe. We just lose Mata tidiness(haunt been overly creative this season) for more pace and threat going forward.
 
I saw that... Which player is getting a lack of chances ? You can get all the chances in the world and still not get picked till someone retires. Look on Carrick and Scholes. Martial is being played and getting all the chances. Him not being selected has nothing to do with us and us being dissapointed that martial isnt making the france squad to sit on the bench and fiddle his thumbs is just strange in my opinion as it doesnt benefit us.

You asked a general question, you got a general answer.

In terms of Martial getting all the chances, he's got 1/6 starts and Deschamps pointed out his bench role
 
He should be in a straight fight with every other attacking options. We can always play a different 3 behind Lukaku without Mata. Same as we can do so without Miki, or Rashford or Martial.

The point is those attacking spots, especially behind Lukaku should be up for grabs for any of those 4(not counting Lingard because he isn't starter material). So denying any sort of competition for place on the likes of Mata and Miki while Martial and Rashford are the only ones subjected to rotation isn't right.

If both Martial and Rashford keep form for any extended period of time while one of the other two attackers isn't also performing consistently to very high standard then as the manager Mourinho should find a way to field his best players. It's not like fielding both Martial and Rashford at the sAmerican time upretty any sort of balance like some people would like to believe. We just lose Mata tidiness(haunt been overly creative this season) for more pace and threat going forward.
It should be about what's best for the team and what is the best option for that position. Martial isn't the best option for that position and neither is Rashford. The question is whether we're stronger or weaker for using a player who never really showed any form in that position.

We wouldn't play Mata up front so it's not as simple as saying it should be a straight fight between the attacking players.
 
I know that Tony in games looks like he's not a very fun guy and that he never smiles and ....

Here's a video i found a while back a small video showing him having fun with the guys in training.

 
Deschamps is a bit of d**k. Happy Martial will get some rest. However, I hope he stays cool and keep working. Eventually, Jose will have him starting more league games. Don't want him getting anxious because of Deschamp's arrogance. France won't win the World Cup anyway:D
 


Deschamps about Martial ( 38 min ) :

" I called Martial when he was very young. I give him his chance but he wasn't always good unfortunately ( especially at the Euro ). And with Mourinho he isn't a starter but I agree with you, this season Martial seems focus , he's very good we saw that yesterday against CSKA with 1 goal and 2 or 3 assists.

I think that Martial is a player who is better as starter. I don't see him as a super sub.

He could have been called... if I have something to say to him, it's to continue like this and make me think again and again ( with a smile ) "

His comments would make sense if he didn't call Coman.
Anyway, hope Martial brushes his comments off and concentrates on his football.
 
His comments would make sense if he didn't call Coman.
Anyway, hope Martial brushes his comments off and concentrates on his football.
Absolutely this. Doesn't need to be distracted by anything negative. He just needs to keep on working hard.
 
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but it seems that you have just gone far down this road of selling the 'motivation' theory, that that is all you can now see.

There is no indication that Deschamps is doing anything of the sort. Firstly, he is an international coach, and he likely won't be the manager in several years anyway. Also, it isn't the duty of an international coach to develop the players - his is to use the resources he has, and he obviously doesn't think Martial is one of his better or more trusted ones.

Managers live and die by their results on an ongoing basis, I'm not sure why you think every coach is going to embark on some long exercise to keep Martial keen. If they felt he was the man to deliver now, this week, he would play.

"if I have something to say to him, it's to continue like this and make me think again and again ( with a smile )"

I'm pretty sure this is said to motivate him to keep pushing to force his way back into the team.
 
Really disappointed for him because you know he'll be gutted about it, he absolutely deserves it and to see some of the players in ahead of him is an absolute joke. France have an absolutely outstanding pool of players at their disposal but they'll do nothing at the World Cup because their manager is beyond clueless. They have the best squad in the world arguably but they deserve a manager who can make rational and fair decisions.
 
Should have pushed for Zidane as the coach. Many don't like him in France ( Deschamps ).
 
Not sure if many saw it but when we won the penalty, Martial pointed to Lukaku and basically asked who's taking it. Lukaku then let Martial take it and celebrated as if he had scored the penalty. This is in complete contrast to Cavani vs. Neymar. It looks like our squad is really growing and developing together, and I think some people on here are much more bothered by the Martial rotation than he is himself.
 
Not sure if many saw it but when we won the penalty, Martial pointed to Lukaku and basically asked who's taking it. Lukaku then let Martial take it and celebrated as if he had scored the penalty. This is in complete contrast to Cavani vs. Neymar. It looks like our squad is really growing and developing together, and I think some people on here are much more bothered by the Martial rotation than he is himself.

Tempted to doubt it, i'd be surprised if Lukaku is high up the list for penalty takers.
 
No, the best is yet to come with Dembelé/MBappe/Martial and hopefully Zidane will have the reigns by then.

Well that’s what I’m saying, if he stays as the manager all that potential will be wasted.
 
His lack of selection may also be because he's injured.


No his lack of selection is because Deschamps just didn't select him. I watched the press conference and Deschamps never mentioned anything about injuries but went on a stupid excuse as to why he didn't select him.
 
No his lack of selection is because Deschamps just didn't select him. I watched the press conference and Deschamps never mentioned anything about injuries but went on a stupid excuse as to why he didn't select him.

Do you not realise how daft you sound? You've been banging on about Mourinho having some vendetta against him and now Deschamps? Haven't you thought "hang on a minute, perhaps there is a reason why 2 managers aren't playing him"?

I rate Martial as much as anyone but sometimes, as outsiders, you have to read between the lines and accept there may be reasons for these things that we are not privy to. Martials body language at times last session worried me as a fan of his and it's therefore not beyond the realms of possibility for me that he may have/had an attitude problem, or at least lost focus on some way.

There's no other reason for 2 managers to handle one of their best young players this way.
 
I think this is the perfect time for him not to be called. He's happy in Manchester, and it gives him a bit of a break when we were worried about him coming off last night.
 
feck, please don't be injured Tony.

5 goals, 5 assists in 8 apps this season. Considering he's not been given a fair crack of the whip yet, that's really impressive.
 
Do you not realise how daft you sound? You've been banging on about Mourinho having some vendetta against him and now Deschamps? Haven't you thought "hang on a minute, perhaps there is a reason why 2 managers aren't playing him"?

I rate Martial as much as anyone but sometimes, as outsiders, you have to read between the lines and accept there may be reasons for these things that we are not privy to. Martials body language at times last session worried me as a fan of his and it's therefore not beyond the realms of possibility for me that he may have/had an attitude problem, or at least lost focus on some way.

There's no other reason for 2 managers to handle one of their best young players this way.

You're more daft for not being willing to just look at the situation for what it is. You expect people to "read between the lines" and invent theories to back up the managers decision. Deschamps is a fool. Everybody knows that
 
Do you not realise how daft you sound? You've been banging on about Mourinho having some vendetta against him and now Deschamps? Haven't you thought "hang on a minute, perhaps there is a reason why 2 managers aren't playing him"?

I rate Martial as much as anyone but sometimes, as outsiders, you have to read between the lines and accept there may be reasons for these things that we are not privy to. Martials body language at times last session worried me as a fan of his and it's therefore not beyond the realms of possibility for me that he may have/had an attitude problem, or at least lost focus on some way.

There's no other reason for 2 managers to handle one of their best young players this way.

Same as I was thinking.

But no it's all a massive conspiracy against Martial, that's the only reasonable explanation. It has nothing to do with the player himself.
 
You're more daft for not being willing to just look at the situation for what it is. You expect people to "read between the lines" and invent theories to back up the managers decision. Deschamps is a fool. Everybody knows that

Why would two managers drop Martial? There's no conspiracy, there has to be a reason. Either he's not as good as we think, the managers just dislike him for some reason or both coaches want to see something in particular from him (which we don't know about) before they'll trust him.

And I'm not inventing theories. What I'm saying is a common occurrence in football, particularly with talented youngsters. Sometimes they need reigning in.
 
Nooooo, I just brought him in to my FF team. Actually right after the S'ton game.
 
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