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I agree with some of the things are said here.

Once martial gets closer to his prime & players like mkhitaryan & mata has dropped off - I'd like to see martial drop off down to a number 10 that dribbles the ball forward to attack on the counter. This will require a midfielder who can pick a clear pass through to the attackers as martial won't be a traditional play maker. For now I will assume that pereira can make the grade

Rashford - Lukaku
Martial
Perisic type LWB- ppgba - pereira - Valencia
Jones(c) lindelof/blind bailey
De gea

I think that's a well rounded team down to even the strikers being left footed and right footed down right to the defenders when we include players like Roj0.

Reckon if all the players reach their peak that it is CL back to back winning material.
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
Martial came on as a sub, did well, then started, didn't do great, and then went back to being a sub again.
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He was fine when he started, wasn't brilliant but wasn't shite either, did enough to warrant a start in the next match. Rashford is awarded that benefit, Martial isn't. Unless Rashford has picked up a knock, even after his performance against Everton, he'll most likely start this weekend in the league
 
MThomas said:
Didn't have anyone decent to replace him with after Antoine changed his mind.

In terms of the suggestion itself, it's merely based on the fact that not once under Mourinho has Martial been offered the chance to progress over time and earn a first team spot. That luxury is reserved for other players. It's always been about having to play amazingly well constantly in order to earn a starting place for the next match. Given the age of the player it's unlikely to happen, needs to be allowed to have patches of not playing well. It won't take long for his bench cameos to be less effective, Rashford will be back to starting the majority of the PL games.
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Also agree with you - it's not at a pop at José; but for people to say that martial hadn't left due to undue love from jose because rooney, schweinsteiger, memphis & schenirdlin left isn't right. Martial had a fan base; all the others especially rooney had lost the fan Base by the the time LVG finished his tenure. If José wanted to sell martial off the first season or two; he would likely be fired & he knows that.

Been disappointed about martials lack of progress simply because it doesn't fit his traditional formation, systems and player type. It's pretty obvious - though not to worry as long as martial performs every 2 games like he currently does; he will find it hard to move him on even if there is a good offer.
 
MThomas said:
He was fine when he started, wasn't brilliant but wasn't shite either, did enough to warrant a start in the next match. Rashford is awarded that benefit, Martial isn't. Unless Rashford has picked up a knock, even after his performance against Everton, he'll most likely start this weekend in the league
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I thought he was poor.

He isn't helped when he has a bad game by his own demeanor and attitude (I'm entirely guessing at the second part, but Mourinho has hinted at it). Rashford has bad games (the weekend) but he keeps going and keeps trying in a visibly noticeable way. When Martial is having a bad game, it's a complete waste of a starting position. His head drops and he offers nothing. Rashford can be as limited in front of goal but he's never as bad tracking back. He's more useful in defence than Martial who is only now really starting to add that part to his game because despite being younger he seems to be faster and stronger with a very determined mentality. That last part is probably the most important factor in him being started ahead of Martial at times.

It's a good position to be in where Mourinho can start one and sub the other on. Keeps competition healthy and both will get a lot of minutes over the course of the season. The only thing that irritates me is when people moan about Martial being left out. It's a squad game and Rashford more than deserves the chances he gets. If Rashford is dropped in favour for Martial it wouldn't bother me in the slightest. But the other way round and some people start banging on as if Martial is a 21 year old Messi.

Aside from the comparisons of the two in general which are inescapable because of them seemingly featuring at the others' expense for now, the legions of people who think Martial is too good to be on the bench at Manchester United is the worst part. Better players than him have had to sit it out. And then when you point these things out people will accuse you of having a grudge against a player. No, I just don't blindly devote myself to any of them.

Team above all.
 
Rozay said:
This is true, but if there is such resistance to playing them on the right, then the competition comes down to one of two places. We just broke our record for a player to play one of them long term. The two uncertain positions in attack are left and right, and neither are being tried on the right.
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The right flank isn't really uncertain at the moment as Jose seems pretty content with Mata. I'm sure if Mata loses form or is injured then Rashford will get a try there.

Record signings are always going to happen at a club like United, it's up to our talented young players to beat the incoming competition if they want a place. Especially as Mourinho is not a manager interested in sacrificing short term success for developing long term potential. He always wants to make new signings and keep upgrading the squad but he'll play whoever performs the best (by his criteria) regardless of price tag. It's not the most romantic way to run a club but it's effective.
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
I thought he was poor.

He isn't helped when he has a bad game by his own demeanor and attitude (I'm entirely guessing at the second part, but Mourinho has hinted at it). Rashford has bad games (the weekend) but he keeps going and keeps trying in a visibly noticeable way. When Martial is having a bad game, it's a complete waste of a starting position. His head drops and he offers nothing. Rashford can be as limited in front of goal but he's never as bad tracking back. He's more useful in defence than Martial who is only now really starting to add that part to his game because despite being younger he seems to be faster and stronger with a very determined mentality. That last part is probably the most important factor in him being started ahead of Martial at times.

It's a good position to be in where Mourinho can start one and sub the other on. Keeps competition healthy and both will get a lot of minutes over the course of the season. The only thing that irritates me is when people moan about Martial being left out. It's a squad game and Rashford more than deserves the chances he gets. If Rashford is dropped in favour for Martial it wouldn't bother me in the slightest. But the other way round and some people start banging on as if Martial is a 21 year old Messi.

Aside from the comparisons of the two in general which are inescapable because of them seemingly featuring at the others' expense for now, the legions of people who think Martial is too good to be on the bench at Manchester United is the worst part. Better players than him have had to sit it out. And then when you point these things out people will accuse you of having a grudge against a player. No, I just don't blindly devote myself to any of them.

Team above all.
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Martial is treated differently because so much more is expected of him, Martial is treated differently because of attitude issues, etc etc. Martial doesn't help track back.

The speculation is amusing, people create these clever stories, people are happy to guess that there's attitude issues because a player doesn't smile enough. Martial has always tracked back to help out his left back, it's not something that he's just starting to add to his game, the idea itself is rather funny.

The point is that so far, over a long period of time, for various reasons Martial hasn't been given the same chances as Rashford in terms of getting to start matches even though his form isn't great. So people make up funny stories, even though the more likely cause is much more simple. Mourinho will continue to play Rashford from the start, give Martial the odd cameo here and there (like the 6 mins against Everton), and at a point (sooner rather than later) the bench cameos won't result in anything, and that's the justification to limit his time on the pitch further. Martial will move to another club to continue his career, Mourinho will bring in the type of player he actually wants, we'll get a shiny new toy and everyone will be happy.
 
Akshay said:
The right flank isn't really uncertain at the moment as Jose seems pretty content with Mata. I'm sure if Mata loses form or is injured then Rashford will get a try there.

Record signings are always going to happen at a club like United, it's up to our talented young players to beat the incoming competition if they want a place. Especially as Mourinho is not a manager interested in sacrificing short term success for developing long term potential. He always wants to make new signings and keep upgrading the squad but he'll play whoever performs the best (by his criteria) regardless of price tag. It's not the most romantic way to run a club but it's effective.
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I mean in the long term, RW is uncertain. The one game Mata didn't start, Mkhitaryan played there instead. Doesn't seem Jose sees either AM or MC as options there just yet.
 
MThomas said:
Martial is treated differently because so much more is expected of him, Martial is treated differently because of attitude issues, etc etc. Martial doesn't help track back.

The speculation is amusing, people create these clever stories, people are happy to guess that there's attitude issues because a player doesn't smile enough. Martial has always tracked back to help out his left back, it's not something that he's just starting to add to his game, the idea itself is rather funny.

The point is that so far, over a long period of time, for various reasons Martial hasn't been given the same chances as Rashford in terms of getting to start matches even though his form isn't great. So people make up funny stories, even though the more likely cause is much more simple. Mourinho will continue to play Rashford from the start, give Martial the odd cameo here and there (like the 6 mins against Everton), and at a point (sooner rather than later) the bench cameos won't result in anything, and that's the justification to limit his time on the pitch further. Martial will move to another club to continue his career, Mourinho will bring in the type of player he actually wants, we'll get a shiny new toy and everyone will be happy.
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What are you actually trying to achieve? Having seen other posts of yours just in this thread, you seem to be pessimistic about everything. Earlier in the thread you said Jose won't be here in 2 years and now Martial won't be here next year.

It's a mugs game trying to predict what will happen in football. You know as much as the rest of us so why spend the whole season predicting negative things will happen and then act like it's obvious it will when called out on it. You don't have a clue what will happen.
 
MThomas said:
Martial is treated differently because so much more is expected of him, Martial is treated differently because of attitude issues, etc etc. Martial doesn't help track back.

The speculation is amusing, people create these clever stories, people are happy to guess that there's attitude issues because a player doesn't smile enough. Martial has always tracked back to help out his left back, it's not something that he's just starting to add to his game, the idea itself is rather funny.

The point is that so far, over a long period of time, for various reasons Martial hasn't been given the same chances as Rashford in terms of getting to start matches even though his form isn't great. So people make up funny stories, even though the more likely cause is much more simple. Mourinho will continue to play Rashford from the start, give Martial the odd cameo here and there (like the 6 mins against Everton), and at a point (sooner rather than later) the bench cameos won't result in anything, and that's the justification to limit his time on the pitch further. Martial will move to another club to continue his career, Mourinho will bring in the type of player he actually wants, we'll get a shiny new toy and everyone will be happy.
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No one really knows so you could be right, but that Mourinho includes him in so many matchday squads and gives him opportunities tells me he rates him. He might just want him to be better at certain aspects of the game. Speculation on my part but it rings true because he'd start consistently otherwise.

Martial is naturally very gifted but that isn't enough to be the best at the top level, you need the attitude to go with it. I think it's a mentality issue which will be resolved in the same way Mkhitaryan wasn't trusted but is now vital. Martial is younger and less experienced than Mkhitaryan so the process will take longer, but I don't see him leaving in the summer.

I think he'll still be here in 2020, and hopefully operating to his full potential which could be anything if he goes about it the right way.
 
Rozay said:
I mean in the long term, RW is uncertain. The one game Mata didn't start, Mkhitaryan played there instead. Doesn't seem Jose sees either AM or MC as options there just yet.
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Yeah I personally don't like Mkhi out on the right. Hopefully Rashford will get a chance there as he was good for England (although better on the left). Still, Jose has played Martial and Rashford together on a few occasions so there's every chance they will do so more as they mature. If they're good enough I think we can find a way to make it work.
 
pocco said:
What are you actually trying to achieve? Having seen other posts of yours just in this thread, you seem to be pessimistic about everything. Earlier in the thread you said Jose won't be here in 2 years and now Martial won't be here next year.

It's a mugs game trying to predict what will happen in football. You know as much as the rest of us so why spend the whole season predicting negative things will happen and then act like it's obvious it will when called out on it. You don't have a clue what will happen.
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I believe that both things will happen. Mourinho won't be here in 2 years, given his club history, and i don't think Martial will be at the club for the 18/19 season.
 
Akshay said:
Yeah I personally don't like Mkhi out on the right. Hopefully Rashford will get a chance there as he was good for England (although better on the left). Still, Jose has played Martial and Rashford together on a few occasions so there's every chance they will do so more as they mature. If they're good enough I think we can find a way to make it work.
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Indeed, we just need a back-up striker/super-sub that can come on from the bench.
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
No one really knows so you could be right, but that Mourinho includes him in so many matchday squads and gives him opportunities tells me he rates him. He might just want him to be better at certain aspects of the game. Speculation on my part but it rings true because he'd start consistently otherwise.

Martial is naturally very gifted but that isn't enough to be the best at the top level, you need the attitude to go with it. I think it's a mentality issue which will be resolved in the same way Mkhitaryan wasn't trusted but is now vital. Martial is younger and less experienced than Mkhitaryan so the process will take longer, but I don't see him leaving in the summer.

I think he'll still be here in 2020, and hopefully operating to his full potential which could be anything if he goes about it the right way.
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He was given a 5-6 min cameo against Everton in a match where Rashford was a walking disaster, where even Lingard was given the nod ahead of him.
 
MThomas said:
He was given a 5-6 min cameo against Everton in a match where Rashford was a walking disaster, where even Lingard was given the nod ahead of him.
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And he did well in that cameo. That's all you'd ask. Lingard wouldn't have been my first choice either but he also did well. Mourinho trusts him a lot. You can tell because he gets a lot of games despite other players being more gifted. That, and you can hear/see Mourinho shouting instructions to him every game.

Lingard clearly does what he's asked to do. He and Martial seem to be best friends so I'd say that only bodes well. People constantly pit players against each other because they don't rate one but do rate the other.

There's clearly competition and every player wants to start but starting out on the bench at 21 years of age in what could be a proper break through season isn't the end of the world. I remember when it seemed we had no one but Martial to rely on. That was the worst thing in the world, for the club and the player.
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
And he did well in that cameo. That's all you'd ask. Lingard wouldn't have been my first choice either but he also did well. Mourinho trusts him a lot. You can tell because he gets a lot of games despite other players being more gifted. That, and you can hear/see Mourinho shouting instructions to him every game.

Lingard clearly does what he's asked to do. He and Martial seem to be best friends so I'd say that only bodes well. People constantly pit players against each other because they don't rate one but do rate the other.

There's clearly competition and every player wants to start but starting out on the bench at 21 years of age in what could be a proper break through season isn't the end of the world. I remember when it seemed we had no one but Martial to rely on. That was the worst thing in the world, for the club and the player.
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But neither of this changes much in regards to the points made ref Martials pecking order. How valid is the claim that "Rashford and Martial are competing with each other" when the next day Martial is given a 5-6min cameo with Lingard being the preferred choice in a match where we're struggling.

We're back to the initial point that Martial isn't offered the same "luxuries" as other players, and the most likely reason isn't some obscure fantasy that Mourinho plays hardball because he expects so much more from Martial than the rest of his players, the most likely reason is simply that Mourinho doesn't really like him as a player and doesn't think he suits his style of playing.

Which is why i reckon Martial will move on to another club during the summer transfer window, And Mourinho will probably (depending on the results this season) stay one more season before heading off to another club.
 
It was annoying in the Everton match as I thought he played well against Basel and should have started. Then when Rashford had a stinker I thought at least he will come on at half time but Lingard got on and was not much better than Rashford. Then finally Martial gets a few minutes and immediately gets and converts a peno. You do have to wonder how much better his form needs to be to get in the team.
 
MThomas said:
the most likely reason is simply that Mourinho doesn't really like him as a player and doesn't think he suits his style of playing.
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It doesn't have to be so absolute. It could be that he likes him as a player but wants him to do more in specific areas/situations before he fully trusts him.
 
If he continues playing like this his stock will be really in the summer. We might be able to get a Dembele like fee and maybe then get Perisic for half the money to complete our starting XI.
 
Skills said:
If he continues playing like this his stock will be really in the summer. We might be able to get a Dembele like fee and maybe then get Perisic for half the money to complete our starting XI.
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Contract wise we're unlikely to get anywhere near that, but we might get lucky and get our investment back, which would be a nice fee to invest in other players
 
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Contract wise we're unlikely to get anywhere near that, but we might get lucky and get our investment back, which would be a nice fee to invest in other players
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He'll have 2 years left at the end of this season (one of which is a club option). We'll get a decent fee - at least better than last season.
 
Skills said:
He'll have 2 years left at the end of this season (one of which is a club option). We'll get a decent fee - at least better than last season.
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The clubs that could pay a Dembele-like fee have no space in their teams for him though. Maybe PSG if they get rid of Cavani but can't see them doing that.
 
Skills said:
If he continues playing like this his stock will be really in the summer. We might be able to get a Dembele like fee and maybe then get Perisic for half the money to complete our starting XI.
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If he continues playing like this, why would we sell him?
 
Martial had brilliant game but only on Redcafe people will discuss about his transfer next season after such a performance
 
Skills said:
If he continues playing like this his stock will be really in the summer. We might be able to get a Dembele like fee and maybe then get Perisic for half the money to complete our starting XI.
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:lol: Almost had me.
 
Why are guys discussing selling him? One of our most naturally talented players, and a talent like him would cost a shit load in todays market.

People talking about hoping to recoup the fee we paid for him, ffs.
 
Damien said:
The clubs that could pay a Dembele-like fee have no space in their teams for him though. Maybe PSG if they get rid of Cavani but can't see them doing that.
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I think there's a spot at Bayern (they were after Sanchez but he's all set for City next summer). Barcelona if they have another disappointing season might want to change it up (Suarez is the wrong side of 30), or Madrid might finally let Benzema or Bale go opening up a spot. If Dybala leaves Juventus next summer, they'll also have the money and I think Martial would be a good fit there.
 
Skills said:
I think there's a spot at Bayern (they were after Sanchez but he's all set for City next summer). Barcelona if they have another disappointing season might want to change it up (Suarez is the wrong side of 30), or Madrid might finally let Benzema or Bale go opening up a spot. If Dybala leaves Juventus next summer, they'll also have the money and I think Martial would be a good fit there.
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Bayern will bring in Brandt for his fixed release clause and they signed James in the summer who was their Sanchez alternative.
I can't see Barcelona paying that much.
Benzema just signed a new contract. They might let go of Bale but Martial isn't suited to playing on the right, and they have Asensio and Isco anyway.
Juventus is a possibility but if Dybala does go, I don't think they'd sign him.
 
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Also agree with you - it's not at a pop at José; but for people to say that martial hadn't left due to undue love from jose because rooney, schweinsteiger, memphis & schenirdlin left isn't right. Martial had a fan base; all the others especially rooney had lost the fan Base by the the time LVG finished his tenure. If José wanted to sell martial off the first season or two; he would likely be fired & he knows that.

Been disappointed about martials lack of progress simply because it doesn't fit his traditional formation, systems and player type. It's pretty obvious - though not to worry as long as martial performs every 2 games like he currently does; he will find it hard to move him on even if there is a good offer.
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You really think Jose would be fired for selling Martial? That's nonsense. Even LVG was permitted to get rid of players he didn't like (ex. Di Maria.)
 
jem said:
You really think Jose would be fired for selling Martial? That's nonsense. Even LVG was permitted to get rid of players he didn't like (ex. Di Maria.)
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I don't think Di Maria wanted to be here in England tbh? Even if he wasn't fired - it won't be the safest thing to do would it?
 
I doubt there's a more miserable bunch of fans than what we have at Caf. Player has an incredible match, immediate debate about selling him.
 
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I don't think Di Maria wanted to be here in England tbh? Even if he wasn't fired - it won't be the safest thing to do would it?
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Oh for sure. The fans would be mad, and we'd be losing a quality player - which is the reason why Jose won't sell him, in my opinion.
 
KM said:
I doubt there's a more miserable bunch of fans than what we have at Caf. Player has an incredible match, immediate debate about selling him.
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I was thinking this too. We have two of the best young prospects in the world in Rashford and Martial, along with a striker in his prime in Lukaku (and Zlaten due to return.) Shouldn't we be celebrating this very bright present and future, rather than fretting over playing time?
 
jem said:
Oh for sure. The fans would be mad, and we'd be losing a quality player - which is the reason why Jose won't sell him, in my opinion.
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Yep; though my gut feeling tells me that if a legitimate offer came; jose wouldn't mind selling to get a player that suits his game more. The only thing that's holding him back is that United isn't a type of club that you can chuck good players to clubs to replace with others - like some of the players he singled out at Chelsea
 
MThomas said:
I believe that both things will happen. Mourinho won't be here in 2 years, given his club history, and i don't think Martial will be at the club for the 18/19 season.
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That's just simply BS!
 
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