Doesn't matter. Martial himself has said he isn't that happy with his bench role. For a lot of players, playing week in week out in the league is the main thing. CL and cup games don't happen anywhere near as often - as evidenced by Rashford playing 300 more minutes in all competitions.
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We were banging on about how great the Martial Shaw partnership would be one summer (can't remember which year) and it was nothing. Jose thinks Shaw is pants.
Indeed. Martial's close control means when he does play more centrally like he did at times last night, he's able to dribble in two directions, making it harder to defend - especially with the movement from the other attackers. When he's on the left cutting in with no support from the left back he tends to get double/triple marked and isn't as effective.
I think he is hitting form at the right time and when Pogba comes back and we play more attacking football, he will be brought into the game even more.
Let's hope he's considered to start first
All the more annoying when you consider how Mourinho is using (ruining) him. Play him on the left but with much more attacking freedom.
Agreed, the best is yet to come. Im often quite pessimistic but with Pogba and Ibra back soon, our play will improve I think.
Jose needs to get him, Rashford and Lukaku on the pitch at the same time.
I fear though the style Mourinho likes will never allow that. We won't be able to keep them all happy, I feel Martial will get fed up and run his contract down, then leave for a free to a different club promising him first choice. What a shame that'll be.
I fear though the style Mourinho likes will never allow that. We won't be able to keep them all happy, I feel Martial will get fed up and run his contract down, then leave for a free to a different club promising him first choice. What a shame that'll be.
I feel like there has been huge progression in his attitude. If he keeps playing the way he has done this season, he will be one of the first on the team sheet surely. I like that he is being guarded from pressure a little, Rashford thrives from it where as I believe it's detrimental to Martial's game.
I certainly hope not, I would hate for that to happen. I do think that Mourinho should get both Rashford and Martial on the pitch at the same time in some games.
Horrible shot 1on1 right near the end that would've sealed the win for France.
We're guaranteed to play 38 league games in a season. How many cup games will we have? 20 if we go far in the CL and at least one domestic cup?
Also, does anyone realistically believe he will be favoured in the latter stages of the CL? Disregarding any possible injuries, how likely is he to start against Real Madrid, PSG or Bayern instead of Rashford? It's intellectual dishonesty to claim that he enjoys the same level of trust as Rashford or Lukaku.
This post doesn't make sense.
Martial came to United as the most expensive teenager in football history with huge pressure from media(already writing him off) and the likes. Yet he instantly delivered and became our best outfield players in that season. He dealt with huge fee pressure plus an entire country's media writing him off before he'd even kicked a ball.
Martial issue isn't pressure but like most players out there they need trust from their managers. If he's free with rooms for errors and mistakes he'll play his game. However if restricted and doesn't feel any trust from his boss than his performance will suffer.
Pressure itself has never been much of an issue for him.
Unfortunately the reason that martial rashford and lukaku don't start is probably because of lukaku. He is our best striker because of how José wants us to play meaning that martial & rashford take a secondary role.
You compare the likes of martial and rashford to jesus sane sterling not many differences in their approach to the game. However Lukaku wouldn't get in to the city side because of how they prefer to play.
Rashford & Martial just have to be patient until a manager that suits their playstyle comes in & doesn't just stick them out permanently as ball boys on the wings just because they are the faster players of the squad.
You compare the likes of martial and rashford to jesus sane sterling not many differences in their approach to the game. However Lukaku wouldn't get in to the city side because of how they prefer to play.
Rashford & Martial just have to be patient until a manager that suits their playstyle comes in & doesn't just stick them out permanently as ball boys on the wings just because they are the faster players of the squad.
Yup.
Of course it matters. You made a post of stats about his starts and have just completely disregarded 34% of our games so far this season. Conveniently, ones where he has started 5 of them.
Every player always talks about how playing in the CL is the most important. But his happiness or Rashford being preferred aren't really relevant. Rashford has played more than him so that's fair enough to post. Posting random stats which leave out over a 1/3 of our games for no reason other than they conveniently support your agenda is just a waste of time.
Its all irrelevant. I never said he is as trusted as Rashford and Lukaku. The only thing that is intellectually dishonest is comparing game time and starts and just deciding not to include a third of our games because it conveniently helps your argument.
He hasn't delivered in comparison to that price tag. Nowhere near in big matches. That is also true for France, so it cannot be directly correlated to management alone, nor can it equate to handling pressure. In terms of confidence and getting a run of games, Manchester united do need results just now so we cannot afford that just yet. I 100% rate him, he just needs time. I think for now he is being handled well, especially with his personal off field issues.
I didn't even mind the bus parking at Anfield or the recent defensive setup.
Jose's biggest cockup is not consistently starting Martial.
Jose's biggest cockup is not consistently starting Martial.
Yeah, exactly. In the disastrous West Ham game where we lost out on CL qualification under LVG, he was the only reason we even stood a chance. There was huge pressure on the team in that game and actually he was the only one who didn't fold, pretty much. Almost single-handedly saved our season that day.
He doesn't even play in the big matches under Mourinho! And he just scored the winner against Tottenham, a close rival, not even three weeks ago. He scored a brilliant solo goal on his Old Trafford debut against Liverpool of all teams. He almost managed to single-handedly save our league season in the decisive game at West Ham in 2016 where he scored twice in a HUGE game. He played well and scored at Wolfsburg when CL group progress was at stake.
Yeah, he's yet to score a hat-trick at Stamford Bridge. But that he hasn't delivered in big/important games is absolute rubbish.
But that's the point here. The Premier League is the most important competition for us this season and he's way behind those two in the pecking order for the league. Behind Mkhitaryan and Mata, too, for that matter.
Quality assist for France, really hope he can find some consistency for us. Agree he has been poor in some starts though, wish I knew the solution to getting him playing at his best week in week out!
Ask him what big match our most expensive player has delivered in but yet he's the first on the team sheet when available. The levels people will go to justify Jose's treatment of martial is baffling
Add to that the fact that after the international break last month, based on the supposed "rotation policy" martial was supposed to be the one starting the league games but Jose skillfully switched things up so rashford starts them
Yep. If anything, if we're looking at purely how our players have performed in big games over the last 3 seasons since Martial has been here, Martial, Herrera and Mata are by far our best 3 players for them (yet all 3 rarely play in them under Mou these days).
He'll be off this summer, so we'll get a fee. Neymars natural successor at Barcelona, they'll eventually decide they'll need another goalscorer and he's about as good as an option available. Tbf, if someone like Barca comes we'd struggle hold onto a starter let alone a bench player.
I will die a little bit inside if Martial leaves us.
Some serious mismanagement by Mourinho.
Some serious mismanagement by Mourinho.
What sort of contract is he on?
So much drama surrounding Martial. We have two brilliant young talents vying for the left wing. They pretty much alternate every game and theyre both playing pretty well this season. We arent gonna end up playing both because jose wants them both for LW. Lukaku is obvioulsy going to be the main man. Theres zero problem.
The truth is this discussion is only being had because Mourinho is our manager.
Martial under any of the other top 6 managers would be in our current team week in week out and it could be argued that his performances would be better too. A manager who is focused on maximising attacking capabilities starts with Martial in a more fluid setup.
He simply isnt a guaranteed starter because of his ability to track back and protect our left back and because Jose is too reluctant to change his lone targetman approach. Martial and Rashford will never play consistently up front until they can feed off long balls.
Martial under any of the other top 6 managers would be in our current team week in week out and it could be argued that his performances would be better too. A manager who is focused on maximising attacking capabilities starts with Martial in a more fluid setup.
He simply isnt a guaranteed starter because of his ability to track back and protect our left back and because Jose is too reluctant to change his lone targetman approach. Martial and Rashford will never play consistently up front until they can feed off long balls.
So he made an assist and is suddenly joining Barcelona and cup games don't matter? Seriously, get a grip guys.
It's also funny to see two French posters, who used to defend their senile national team manager when he wasn't playing Martial, now saying that Mourinho is ruining him.
It's also funny to see two French posters, who used to defend their senile national team manager when he wasn't playing Martial, now saying that Mourinho is ruining him.
Yep. Like Mourinho dropped Hazard plenty of times. Fecking Hazard. It's just laughable the extents people go to protect Mourinho. I'm not saying get your pitchforks out for Mourinho, but he has his weaknesses and attacking football and attacking, creative players is probably the main ones. He wants his left wingers to be basically a very rigid part of the system, limit creativity and leave all the creativity/attacking to the #10 and striker, while the rest are usually just following instructions. Or do your thing in attack but make sure you are where you're supposed to be from a defensive view point, which automatically ensures that Martial or any other winger starts from pretty deep and isn't attacking at pace or staying high up the pitch often enough to have consistent impacts. Or he has to get past a bunch of players to do something (which he's still been doing this season, which shows how good he is).
It's actually funny. Did anyone for a second think about picking a player for his defensive qualities on the wing ahead of your most talented and most dangerous attacking player back when Fergie was here? He'd be more pragmatic at times, but he always played with an attack plan and would 100% play Martial all the time because he's our most dangerous and dynamic player who can do moments of brilliance out of nowhere.
Where's the 'Martial is joining Barcelona' coming from? 
I’d be gutted if he leaves and you couldn't really blame him if he wants to at the end of the season.
Should be one of the first names on the team sheet, yet he’s in this stupid rotation one game in, one out with Rashford. Meanwhile the likes of Mkhi gets chance after chance despite being in shocking form - we’ve basically played with 10 men the last two months. What’s as annoying is when he is on the bench and we need a goal, majority of the time Jesse fecking Lingard comes on before him.
He’d flourish under an attack minded manager where he wouldn’t have to spend most of the time covering/helping out the full back. Just wish Jose would realease the shackles a little and give him a run of 5-10 games, Rashford can just play on the right...
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Should be one of the first names on the team sheet, yet he’s in this stupid rotation one game in, one out with Rashford. Meanwhile the likes of Mkhi gets chance after chance despite being in shocking form - we’ve basically played with 10 men the last two months. What’s as annoying is when he is on the bench and we need a goal, majority of the time Jesse fecking Lingard comes on before him.
He’d flourish under an attack minded manager where he wouldn’t have to spend most of the time covering/helping out the full back. Just wish Jose would realease the shackles a little and give him a run of 5-10 games, Rashford can just play on the right...
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The more he gets inside the box with the ball as a striker and TR composure and dribbling he has with the ball the more it convices me of him being a striker rather than a winger.
We should buy a freaking winger who could play both sides and so we play him as a striker.
I wouldn't mind getting both Sanchez and ozil for free, and look at matas and mkh contract and situation and game time in a position seriously.
We should buy a freaking winger who could play both sides and so we play him as a striker.
I wouldn't mind getting both Sanchez and ozil for free, and look at matas and mkh contract and situation and game time in a position seriously.
The more he gets inside the box with the ball as a striker and TR composure and dribbling he has with the ball the more it convices me of him being a striker rather than a winger.
We should buy a freaking winger who could play both sides and so we play him as a striker.
I wouldn't mind getting both Sanchez and ozil for free, and look at matas and mkh contract and situation and game time in a position seriously.
We should buy a freaking winger who could play both sides and so we play him as a striker.
I wouldn't mind getting both Sanchez and ozil for free, and look at matas and mkh contract and situation and game time in a position seriously.
Yeah. Very strange I agree.
I wouldn't mind him at Barca next summer. I'd rather get him than Griezmann. As talented as Dembele imo. But he's under the wrong manager just like De Bruyne was.
If we do try Martial on the left and Rashford on the right and it makes the team unbalanced, what then? I think that is Mourinho's concern.
What do you mean natural successor?
What do you mean natural successor?
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