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I see everyone is following the trend of going ott after a good performance. The reason he hasn't started is because when he has he's been crap.
I do think we need to look at using him differently though. We're clearly not getting what we should be from him often enough and it could make the difference. Something isn't quite right for him here.
I do think we need to look at using him differently though. We're clearly not getting what we should be from him often enough and it could make the difference. Something isn't quite right for him here.
That defensive workrateBarcelona for him next summer I think. He's too good for our bench.
We might recoup enough to get Perisic
Young player in need a consistent run of games shocker. It doesn’t matter how he plays, if you play him week in week out you’ll see a dramatic improvement in consistency over time. It’s not like we have anyone else superior to him in that position.
The only reaction is a desire for him to start more games. That's going over the top? Given the state of our attacking play at the moment I can't think of a more obvious and available way of improving said problems.
Look at all those people going ott, posting verifiable stats about his performance level. Crazy
Questioning why he doesn't start every game yet again because of a good performance for France just now is ott yeah. And you can post all the stats you like, but he's been poor when he's started and plenty of times when he hasn't.
We need to use him better though.
We need to use him better though.
I still can't believe we spent the whole summer trying for a left sided attacker when we have Martial with Rashford being able to fill in there. Martial is twice the player of Perisic, and I'd rather have Martial as a left sided forward than Perisic as a LWB.Barcelona for him next summer I think. He's too good for our bench.
We might recoup enough to get Perisic
It's not just about France, though. Every single one of our attackers have been poor when starting at various times so I don't agree with him not starting because of that. He's been better than everyone bar Lukaku who isn't great but gets his goals.
I think that's looking back with tinted specs a bit though. Martial is often as ineffective as others or more so when he plays. I'm happy to give him more starts with the hope he finds some consistency, just not one of these that rants and raves about why he wasn't getting them.
You know what made a big difference with his performance tonight also was the lack of time he spent protecting his LB or being a LB. when France went forward they wen forward as well. I can’t recall us having as many situations where he had space and grass to run in to like France gave him tonight. Simply Jose needs to put his thinking cap on and rethink what he is doing with this team.
First off, he has had 3 MoM performances when starting this season already so this is clearly false on a general level and just lazy stereotyping
I'll take it that you mean the league where he has put in decent to good performances most times and only poor vs huddersfield that I can recall
He has started 3 times in the league this season; he was our most dangerous attacker against Liverpool, did okay against Leicester and as said earlier was poor against huddersfield when he lost his head after that early dangerous tackle on him
If anyone is going OTT here then it's you spouting all these tired cliches of him being poor when he starts
What awful excuse making.
People rate him as having played well when all he's done is not ran off the ball and ran into people with it.
I'm well behind the potential he has, but not all the pretending and rewriting that goes on here.
Also happy to see him start more seeing as we're not doing much at the moment anyway.
Like trying to buy a proper left back/wingback to support the said forwards?
Martial has been my favourite player since he joined us. I think the 1st year was amazing as he was the only guy who consistently played well. After a tough 2nd season, he is starting to get things together again. Outside of Pogba (Dave is already there) he is the only player I think that has the potential to be world-class with the most ceiling to reach. I think we all are seeing the same thing and feel the same but express it differently. We all love to see him do really well. The great majority of this is in his control. The more consistently well he plays, the more starts he will get. Not that complicated really.
It's quite telling that he lights up well as an individual when playing with France, but looks disjointed for Utd. I don't expect Martial to last/fulfill himself at Utd because, since even before Moyes, Utd's style has been inhibitive for offense. Fergie, Moyes, van Gaal and now Jose play into it.
Made some poor decisions at times in the final third, and irritated Mbappe to the hills. He also missed a guilt edged chance to win the match. He was great though, him and Mbappe just look so dangerous with real estate ahead of them, no one can stop them or catch them. He also used his full array of skills out there, the kid could be a monster. Having Mou here isn't going to help his development though, cause he has to chase fullbacks all game and barely see the ball. He can't seem to buy a consistent run of starts.
We aren't an attacking team so it's pretty predictable that our attackers are going to have some dry spells and games when they barely see the ball in space.
Haha, I just knew you'd latch onto that part of my post while ignoring every other thing
I'll take it as a sign that you know your criticism of him was BS and you can't stand behind it
Wonderful assistance last night. France have a terrific young generation.
Playing under Mou will help his development. It means that he won't develop into a Ben Arfa type player who thinks he can get by on his attacking qualities alone. Very few players can justify not working defensively for a team, the very elite level players like Ronaldo, Messi etc
Which is all anybody is asking.
We already have an abundance of LB’s the most talented one doesn’t get a game.(a lot of it his own fault) the fundamentals and tactics need to be changed more than just buying personnel. If Jose was just to just change certain aspects of how we play i’d Happily put a wager on that Lukaku, Rashford, Miki, Martial would all vastly improve their outputs and perceived qualities.
None of them are up to scratch.
Abundance of LB's? Unless you count in midfielders, CBs, RBs and failed wingers parading themselves as LB's, then we have only one LB - an awful one.
The issue isn't to do with him not starting every game. The issue is that in the league he's only had 3 starts from 11 games. Even Iwobi and Sturridge have had more starts than that, and Welbeck has had double the number of starts despite being injured half the season... again.
From those who've played less than 50% of minutes in the league this season despite not being injured, only two names stand out on the list - his and Bernardo Silva. At least City can justify having Bernardo Silva on the bench with the attacking options they have.
He is a young player still and needs to play games. Starting one game and getting benched the next is not helping him develop any consistency. His highest level is extremely high, his average level is too low at the moment - but he needs to start to increase that level. I remember Ronaldo getting sort of a free pass to start games and shoot from distance, because it helped him develop into a machine.
Sadly, he isn’t starting games and he isn’t getting minutes. Mourinho is not the manager for him I think - I wouldn’t begrudge Martial if he started to push for a move to a club that emphasizes on attacking football and lets him start games.
He is averaging like 30 minutes in the Premier League, just around the same amount as Jesse Lingard. It says everything really...
Sadly, he isn’t starting games and he isn’t getting minutes. Mourinho is not the manager for him I think - I wouldn’t begrudge Martial if he started to push for a move to a club that emphasizes on attacking football and lets him start games.
He is averaging like 30 minutes in the Premier League, just around the same amount as Jesse Lingard. It says everything really...
That there, is the bitter truth. Mourinho style of play does not suit young promising attackg players. His records shows that..
you are completely right about Martial. He has been as inneffectual as anyone when starting and that said, I wonder how many games he completes when he starts.
I also agree that we may as well do like Van Gaal and play him a lot, hope he has one monster game then gets his tail up and plays a few solid games in a row before he drops his level again. rinse and repeat
Martial is a fantastic young talent, however, the way United is set up to play is not showcasing his talent. Watching him play for France you can see how much more dangerous he looks when he's surrounded by talented dynamic players. At United we seldom break with pace and attacking intent instead there are lots of slow passing that gives the opposing defence time to set up. We need faster transitions from defence to attack to utilise Martial, Rashford and Lukaku. We clearly need proper fullbacks and a right winger and a playmaker either at CM or AM to assist with the fast transition from defence to attack.
Martial and Mbappe together with Lemar, Dembele, Kante, Pogba, Lacazette, Mendy, Varane, Laporte, Fekir, Bakayoko, Griezmann, Lloris are part of a golden generation of talented French footballers. France will take some beating at next years world cup.
Martial and Mbappe together with Lemar, Dembele, Kante, Pogba, Lacazette, Mendy, Varane, Laporte, Fekir, Bakayoko, Griezmann, Lloris are part of a golden generation of talented French footballers. France will take some beating at next years world cup.
For me it's simple: I want Martial to start every game and play the full 90 because I go to OT to be entertained, and he, in my opinion, is our most entertaining talent. Just love to watch him on the ball, there's a magic about him, and you feel it in the crowd, too. It's like having Ronaldo, Cantona or Giggs on the pitch - there's that feeling in the air of "just give him the ball."
Sure, he's still rough around the edges, and there are games in which he seems to go missing, but that's typical of most young talents.
One thing's for sure, when the starting 11 is announced on Saturday, many in the stadium will be hoping to hear Toni Martial's name.
Sure, he's still rough around the edges, and there are games in which he seems to go missing, but that's typical of most young talents.
One thing's for sure, when the starting 11 is announced on Saturday, many in the stadium will be hoping to hear Toni Martial's name.
The key signing for United will be a quick, defensive left back.
If we get one then that left back would be able to better cover that side of the pitch than is currently being done (by whoever plays there).
This would allow Martial to 1. Stay higher up the pitch on the left and 2. Utilise more energy on running with the ball at goal rather than tracking back
A fully attack-minded Martial is the best young player in the league.
If we get one then that left back would be able to better cover that side of the pitch than is currently being done (by whoever plays there).
This would allow Martial to 1. Stay higher up the pitch on the left and 2. Utilise more energy on running with the ball at goal rather than tracking back
A fully attack-minded Martial is the best young player in the league.
Three starts in the league. This is no way to judge performances or get the best from a player.
What is the point of completely disregarding the other competitions? He has started 5 out of 6 cup games so far. How is it logical to only include one competition when talking about game time? He is evidently favoured for Europe and Cup games and Rashford for the League. Its Rashford and Lukaku for league, Martial and Lukaku for CL, and Rashford and Martial for Cups.
It's not rocket science. Martial loves cutting in on his right foot. Therefore meaning the left back needs to be willing to overlap more often than not and drag a man to the by line giving Martial a 1 on 1 which i'd back him to win 7 times out of 10. Darmian and Young both want to receive a backwards pass in order to take it on their preferred right foot and Blind just isn't quick enough to make the required run. A fit Luke Shaw would benefit Martial massively.
One of the reasons Martial did well was because he wasn't used as a midfielder, yesterday he was part of an attacking trio that was allowed to roam everywhere on the front line, so Martial and the others just moved where the space was and used their abilities to create things. The weird thing is that Mourinho knows that, he called Martial "a different type of striker", he knows that he is an attacker.
Really highlights how fecking audacious the entire ordeal is when you put it like that. Perfect justification too for those who argue against ‘Martial fanboys’ and their alleged rabidity against all things Mourinho.
That's not fair to call out a player for being crap when our entire team has been shit. He isn't a player that should be tracking back to receive a pass or have a man on his back. He needs to be running at players. But United, have offered almost nothing going forward in terms of space since Pogba's injury.
Look at the contrast of him playing for free flowing France vs United's defend at all costs.
He's an unbelievably talented player and would rip teams apart in a team like Madrid, Barcelona, PSG and City.
Yet...
I really feel that the way we've been playing recently (wingbacks etc.) is to try and get Rashford and Martial on the ball in more attacking areas, rather than have them chasing the fullback. The biggest issue is that we've been losing the midfield battle, and struggled to get the ball forward with any quality. Getting Pogba back (and please give him a few weeks to get up to speed lads) we will have much more authority in the centre, better distribution to the forwards, and someone to break the lines and open space. No matter whether he replaces Mkhitaryan or Herrera I'm still certain we would start to see that happen more regularly.
Honestly thought he looked as good as Mbappe last night...
I'm a big fan of Martial, but he can be as frustrating as he can be brilliant. If he leaves and comes good at another club, I would put it down to a growing maturity more than getting away from Mourinho. Hopefully, he's here for many more years and plays a big part in our success.
Honestly thought he looked as good as Mbappe last night...
I'm a big fan of Martial, but he can be as frustrating as he can be brilliant. If he leaves and comes good at another club, I would put it down to a growing maturity more than getting away from Mourinho. Hopefully, he's here for many more years and plays a big part in our success.
Plays him as LWB.
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