[Lennon7]

The only situation I'd be happy Martial being included in a swap deal is for the absolute elite players, or potentially someone like Mbappe. I'd be fuming if he was included in a deal for Perisic.

Martial is a class talent and just needs a kick up his arse to get going again. He's still only 21.

 

[El-Manos]

He is our most gifted attacking player alongside Mhiki, Pogba outshines him though if we compare him to all squad players. If Mhiki and Martial ever decide to hit form at the same time, we will behold something special.

 

[El-Manos]

Moment of magic, Carvajal transported to hospital for neck injury

I like the way Modric sticks out a foot half an hour after Martial got passed him just to show 'Hey I tried at least !

 

[Womp]

He is our most gifted attacking player alongside Mhiki, Pogba outshines him though if we compare him to all squad players. If Mhiki and Martial ever decide to hit form at the same time, we will behold something special.

Hopefully we see more from them both this season

 

[Womp]

The only situation I'd be happy Martial being included in a swap deal is for the absolute elite players, or potentially someone like Mbappe. I'd be fuming if he was included in a deal for Perisic.

Martial is a class talent and just needs a kick up his arse to get going again. He's still only 21.

I highly doubt he'll leave, Jose seems to be a big fan of his talent given his comments. Players like Depay etc. he got rid of and never really spoke about or challenged.

Like you said, he just needs to get his head down and work hard, he's very talented, will hopefully be a big player for us.

 

[LeftyBlaster]

Moment of magic, Carvajal transported to hospital for neck injury

'Kin hell. More of that please.

 

[LoveFootball]

Christ, the way some of you lot talk about Martial you'd think we have young Messi. He's a great talent sure, but claiming Rashford isn't even close is laughable. For starters, at their current state, Rashford is the better player and offers the team more, he saved our season last season and carried us to a Europa League.

They're both great talents and the difference in ability really isn't as big as people make out, I'd claim Martial is only a little superior in terms of natural ability, there's more to ability than being good on the ball, otherwise Hatem Ben Arfa would be one of the most talented players to grace the Prem.

The difference in ability between the 2 is largely big. Last season Martial had better stats than Rashford despite playing lesser games and not being trust by the manager than the later.

Yes there's more to ability than being good on the ball, but even if we consider this argument, Martial still head and shoulders above Rashford.

There's more to talent than dribbles. So LVG was smart for building the team around Martial, when we came 4th in a season where Leicester won the league and Chelsea were nearly relegated, but Jose is stupid for not building the team around him, despite coming 6th, with more competition and winning 3 trophies?

Yes there's more to talent than dribbles, but don't forget that he also scored 17 goals and made many assists in the process. He scored different types of goals and mixed his game to surprise opponents; he was our x factor and carried the team and practically won us the FA Cup and almost got us top 4. LVG won 1 trophy, but he didn't have a team with the most expensive and best Italian league player, best Bundesliga player, best french league player and one of the best defender in la Liga and only come 6th with this great army.

You claim Pogba can't do the dribbles Martial can, which is true, but Martial can't do a lot more as well as Pogba can. He can't ping the ball and find attackers in space, he can't shield the ball, he can't transition defence into attack, he's not as good at finishing from long distance, he isn't as good at intercepting, he can't read the game as well, his vision isn't as impressive etc.

Because Pogba is a midfielder and Martial is a striker playing on the wing. They both have differents qualities which suite their position.


What has Martial achieved to be considered a better talent than Pogba? Martial is nowhere near the French team whereas Pogba is arguably their talisman (along with Griezmann), Pogba has played in CL finals and was a regular for one of the best teams in Europe before you probably even knew who Martial was. He's a great talent but Pogba is our best player. For starters, Pogba doesn't need the team built around him to play well, we're still yet to see Martial adapt to the same circumstances.

Martial is not in the French team anymore because of last season, before that he was a starter in many games. And Pogba has achieved more because he is 4 year older than him and he played under a manager who trusted him; at Juventus they played a system which was built to get the best out of him and people always cry for Mourinho to do the same here.

You'd be very hard done finding many people who'd choose to keep Martial over Pogba if they could only choose one.

Understandable when you look at what happened last season; If Martial had the kind of season he put under LVG, the choice wouldn't be that easy for many who has short memory.

 

[Womp]

The difference in ability between the 2 is largely big. Last season Martial had better stats than Rashford despite playing lesser games and not being trust by the manager than the later.

Yes there's more to ability than being good on the ball, but even if we consider this argument, Martial still head and shoulders above Rashford.

Statistics aren't an accurate representation of skill by any means. Also I disagree, there are many aspects of the game Rashford is superior to Martial at. He's faster, more direct, his movement is better, he's a better finisher, he gets into channels much better and his link-up play is better. Martial is a better dribbler and has better ball control. The difference between the two isn't that big at all. All of this while being what, 4 years younger? Not to add he's constantly improving where if anything, Martial has regressed.

How is him winning us the FA cup any more impressive than Rashford winning us the Europa League last season? Also you're clutching at straws, Bailly wasn't one of the best defenders in the La Liga. You'd be hard done finding many people who knew who the feck he was.

You're contradicting yourself. Your original claim was Pogba isn't as talented as Martial because he isn't as good a dribbler, I then told you things Pogba is far superior to Martial at and you claim it's because Martial isn't a midfielder. The same would apply to Pogba, he isn't a forward, he doesn't need to be as good a dribbler as Martial (he's hardly bad at it though)

Pogba is a superior talent to Martial, it's not even that close imo. Mercurial wide forwards who are great on the ball aren't as rare as an all action midfielder who is already one of the best in the world in his position, who can literally do everything.

Martial is not in the French team because he had his chance at the Euros and was extremely poor. Coupled with the fact that he's in shaky form and you have your reasoning. He isn't in the squad because he isn't as good as the other options there. Lemar gives them balance, Dembele and Mbappe are more talented and Griezmann is on another planet to Martial.

Martial is a very good talent, but he's not our best and the difference between him and Rashford really isn't as big as people make out. Also in form or not, I doubt you're going to find many fans who'd get rid of Pogba if they had the choice between Pogba and Martial.

Aren't you the guy who claimed Jose was never a better manager than LVG and that he had a better season than Jose did? If so, this conversation might as well end, because our opinions on football are extremely different if so.

 

[LoveFootball]

Rashford doesn't have more talent than Martial, but he's sure shown an ability to apply his talents better than Martial.

And Martial's talent isn't comparable to Pogba. Pogba is clearly more talented imo.

The ability of running the ball out of the pitch or losing the ball trying to beat his opponent? Just because he put 2 or 3 good performances at the end of the season doesn't change the fact he was garbage most the time.

Pogba and Martial are both talented but Martial can be more devastating than the former.

 

[LoveFootball]

Statistics aren't an accurate representation of skill by any means. Also I disagree, there are many aspects of the game Rashford is superior to Martial at. He's faster, more direct, his movement is better, he's a better finisher, he gets into channels much better and his link-up play is better. Martial is a better dribbler and has better ball control. The difference between the two isn't that big at all.

Rashford is a striker and goals are the most accurate stats to judge a striker; 12 goals in 60 games is an atrocious return for a supposed great talent. Martial played on the wing and got better stats than Rashford and we'll all agree that he has a very bad season, that says a lot about the difference in ability between the two.

Rashford is being praised for having an average season, the same happened for Fellaini too.

 

[Womp]

Rashford is a striker and goals are the most accurate stats to judge a striker; 12 goals in 60 games is an atrocious return for a supposed great talent. Martial played on the wing and got better stats than Rashford and we'll all agree that he has a very bad season, that says a lot about the difference in ability between the two.

Rashford is being praised for having an average season, the same happened for Fellaini too.

Statistics are such a rubbish concept. The quality of the opponent, performance of the team etc. are all factors that need to be taken into consideration. Statistics mean feck all without context. Rashford and Fellaini were praised because they played big parts in our Europa League win, it was hardly an average season. It was a difficult one for Rashford, one which he overcame. An average season was what you'd consider Martial's season.

 

[ROFLUTION]

And then he went on and used him like a 2nd fullback last season. I only hope he gives him freedom to attack more and don't ask him to defend most of the time.

Other teams has used their eyes and constantly make sure there's two players behind Martial though. He has had plenty of chances and the fault mostly lies with his mentality. When he starts bad, he performs bad for the rest of the game.

 

[LoveFootball]

Other teams has used their eyes and constantly make sure there's two players behind Martial though. He has had plenty of chances and the fault mostly lies with his mentality. When he starts bad, he performs bad for the rest of the game.

And he got no support from his fullback. He was not motivated enough last season, I only hope he got more help from Jose and the fans this season, a confident Martial playing at his full potential would make people eating their words on here, many people really seems to have short memory and completely erased the 15/16 season from their head, one even claimed that Rashford pushed him on the wing which is simply not true. I recommand people to read the 1st pages of his last season player performance thread and watch some of his 2015/2016 highlights videos just to refresh their memory.

 

[Escobar]

And he got no support from his fullback. He was not motivated enough last season, I only hope he got more help from Jose and the fans this season, a confident Martial playing at his full potential would make people eating their words on here, many people really seems to have short memory and completely erased the 15/16 season from their head, one even claimed that Rashford pushed him on the wing which is simply not true. I recommand people to read the 1st pages of his last season player performance thread and watch some of his 2015/2016 highlights videos just to refresh their memory.

I dont want to defend Martial's poor performances last season but this has been an issue for too long imo. Shaw seems to be the only LB willing to make runs and properly support our LW but he's often out injured.

The signs so for in pre-season are positive and he's obviously highly talented. Whether he can apply that on a weekly basis remains the question though

 

[Womp]

I dont want to defend Martial's poor performances last season but this has been an issue for too long imo. Shaw seems to be the only LB willing to make runs and properly support our LW but he's often out injured.

The signs so for in pre-season are positive and he's obviously highly talented. Whether he can apply that on a weekly basis remains the question though

I have to agree, we have been weak in the LB position ever since Evra began deteriorating. Not sure why we aren't in the market for one, maybe Jose is trusting Shaw, who knows

 

[LoveFootball]

Statistics are such a rubbish concept. The quality of the opponent, performance of the team etc. are all factors that need to be taken into consideration. Statistics mean feck all without context. Rashford and Fellaini were praised because they played big parts in our Europa League win, it was hardly an average season. It was a difficult one for Rashford, one which he overcame. An average season was what you'd consider Martial's season.

No they aren't, only when you are struggling to prove that Rashford is a great talent that you'll opt to dismiss stats. A striker who doesn't score enough goals is not good enough for our club, that's the reason why we got rid of Welbeck and the reason why we bought Lukaku (a young striker) to lead our lines and I'm pretty sure now Mourinho doesn't trust Rashford as many redcafe posters do.

Trusting average players such as Lingard, Fellaini and Rashford are the reason why we struggled to get top 4, and don't point out the Europa League trophy, it's a competition for 2nd tiers teams and players, maybe Rashford, Lingard and Fellaini deserve to that level, they are good players for lesser teams and that is the reason why we finished 6th last season. Martial had an average season but managed to get better stats than Rashford while playing in the wing, says a lot about the 2.

 

[Kapardin]

No they aren't, only when you are struggling to prove that Rashford is a great talent that you'll opt to dismiss stats. A striker who doesn't score enough goals is not good enough for our club, that's the reason why we got rid of Welbeck and the reason why we bought Lukaku (a young striker) to lead our lines and I'm pretty sure now Mourinho doesn't trust Rashford as many redcafe posters do.

Trusting average players such as Lingard, Fellaini and Rashford are the reason why we struggled to get top 4, and don't point out the Europa League trophy, it's a competition for 2nd tiers teams and players, maybe Rashford, Lingard and Fellaini deserve to that level, they are good players for lesser teams and that is the reason why we finished 6th last season. Martial had an average season but managed to get better stats than Rashford while playing in the wing, says a lot about the 2.

Spot on. Will get pelters for saying this though.

Not saying Rashford shouldn't be given time to prove himself but some are absolutely convinced he's already made it and will be our striker for the next 10 years.

 

[CG1010]

No they aren't, only when you are struggling to prove that Rashford is a great talent that you'll opt to dismiss stats. A striker who doesn't score enough goals is not good enough for our club, that's the reason why we got rid of Welbeck and the reason why we bought Lukaku (a young striker) to lead our lines and I'm pretty sure now Mourinho doesn't trust Rashford as many redcafe posters do.

Trusting average players such as Lingard, Fellaini and Rashford are the reason why we struggled to get top 4, and don't point out the Europa League trophy, it's a competition for 2nd tiers teams and players, maybe Rashford, Lingard and Fellaini deserve to that level, they are good players for lesser teams and that is the reason why we finished 6th last season. Martial had an average season but managed to get better stats than Rashford while playing in the wing, says a lot about the 2.

You may be a fanboi of Martial, which is fair enough, but I absolutely hate how you are constantly putting down Rashford. He simply does not belong in a list with Welbeck, Lingard, and Fellaini. Just to prove your point you are blinding yourself to his talent. Sure the way Martial close control dribbles is an important and unique talent in our team, but Rashford can get past defenders too. He has got terrific movement, his crossing skills are improving too. He is also very young (much younger than Martial) so you would be pleasantly surprised on how good he turns out to be eventually.

 

[Womp]

No they aren't, only when you are struggling to prove that Rashford is a great talent that you'll opt to dismiss stats. A striker who doesn't score enough goals is not good enough for our club, that's the reason why we got rid of Welbeck and the reason why we bought Lukaku (a young striker) to lead our lines and I'm pretty sure now Mourinho doesn't trust Rashford as many redcafe posters do.

Trusting average players such as Lingard, Fellaini and Rashford are the reason why we struggled to get top 4, and don't point out the Europa League trophy, it's a competition for 2nd tiers teams and players, maybe Rashford, Lingard and Fellaini deserve to that level, they are good players for lesser teams and that is the reason why we finished 6th last season. Martial had an average season but managed to get better stats than Rashford while playing in the wing, says a lot about the 2.

You give Martial credit for leading us to an FA cup and a Europa League spot, but don't give Rashford any credit for winning the Europa League and getting us into the Champions League? Using that logic, the Europa League is also Martial's level as that's essentially where he led us to, when the team was built around him. Baffling logic. Stats are such a pointless concept, Rashford is 19 years old and was obviously struggling at the start of the season, he didn't come alive until the later stages of the sesaon. Also using his goals over the course of the season is questionable. Ibrahimovic was our main striker and played nearly every game up until his injury which was towards the end of the season, Rashford was playing as a wide forward just as Martial was, so your excuse for Martial playing out wide is moot.

Statistics mean feck all considering Rashford was competing with Martial for the same position (he wasn't playing as a striker), he's 19 and was obviously struggling in the early stages of the season and was learning a completely new position. The teams they played against, the performance of their team mates etc. are all factors that need to be considered when evaluating players purely on statistics, it's not as black and white as you claim it is. With your obsession with statistics, you'd probably argue Hazard had an average season too.

Mourinho doesn't trust Rashford? You're having a laugh mate, he's had nothing but praise for Rashford and it's obvious why he was preferred over Martial last season and until something changes, will continue to do so.

Martial might be a tiny bit more talented, fair enough, but I would not be surprised at all if by the end of their careers Rashford has had a better career. He's got a far better mentality and whether you want to believe it or not, is superior to Martial in more than a few aspects of the beautiful game. There's more to players than their ability on the ball. With your constant praise for dribbling, you would have defended Ben Arfa to the death had he ever been a United player.

Rashford average? Christ

 

[Adisa]

Has anybody noticed, Mourinho has been praising his work-rate in training for a few months now.

 

[JJ12]

He's clearly got what it takes but he's just a little frustrating at the moment. Consistency is his problem but that's the case with a lot of young players.

The key is Mourinho saying he is working harder and more focused than last year.

He'll start the season on the bench but hopefully fights his way into the XI by Christmas.

 

[NoLogo]

I dont want to defend Martial's poor performances last season but this has been an issue for too long imo. Shaw seems to be the only LB willing to make runs and properly support our LW but he's often out injured.

The signs so for in pre-season are positive and he's obviously highly talented. Whether he can apply that on a weekly basis remains the question though

It's definitely a factor. Before his injury Shaw was running up and down the left side, maybe not as much and as effective as Marcelo but he contributed to attacking play quite frequently and it gave our left wide man some support which was completely lacking last season.

I hope Shaw can find his pre-injury form again and Martial will get more starts and be able to show that he is still one of the biggest talents around. Honestly I can even understand why Mou is criticizing his young lads at times when he feels they are slacking of, I too often had the feeling that a lot of players in recent years felt that having joined Manchester United means they have made it and that they don't have to work as hard as they used to anymore, so I think it's a good thing when Mou is hard on them if he sees signs of complacency but also good that he is upping them publicly if they give their all.

 

[CG1010]

I dont want to defend Martial's poor performances last season but this has been an issue for too long imo. Shaw seems to be the only LB willing to make runs and properly support our LW but he's often out injured.

The signs so for in pre-season are positive and he's obviously highly talented. Whether he can apply that on a weekly basis remains the question though

The thing is Martial makes it more difficult for himself because of poor movement that allows him being marked effectively.

 

[Z_Wolf]

Pogba's not 4yr older than Martial; The age difference between the two is only 2yr and 8 months. Don't distort facts otherwise you lose all credibility.

 

[TheForgottenOne]

It's definitely a factor. Before his injury Shaw was running up and down the left side, maybe not as much and as effective as Marcelo but he contributed to attacking play quite frequently and it gave our left wide man some support which was completely lacking last season.

Couldn't agree more. I have said this a few times on here lately. The reason why our left wing is lacking in quality is because of the lack of offensive quality at left back. Shaw did that very well before his injury and I am pretty certain that even Depay would have impressed more if Shaw did not break his leg. A left back coming over the top or at least coming up with some pace presents so much more problems for the opponents defence, opening space for more offensive creativity.

Signing a good offensive LB would provide more of a solution than buying Perisic for alot of money. Martial, Rashford, Miki. They can do the job just fine if they get some better support.

 

[fellaini's barber]

Are you seriously sneaking Rashford as in a better player or talent than Martial?

Only person with comparable talent in our squad is Pogba. Then again reading your posts I'm not even surprised.

I don't understand why some posters get so far up a players arse that any sort of criticism is seen like some kind of personal attack. Like someone said these players play for the club I support, i'm not obligated to love them like my fecking brothers that I can't complain when they are not doing the job the club employed them to do up to the standard the club needs. Nani, I reckon, had more natural talent than Martial and Rashford put together, but was still moved on because he was not applying it or had any consistency to his game. I loved the little bastard to bits and was pissed off at Fergie for prefering the one dimensional Valencia as I felt Nani would improve if given consistent game time, but the fact is sometimes you can't be afforded that luxury.
It doesn't matter if you think Martial is better than Messi, if he spends most of the game loosing the ball, getting the ball stuck at his feet or running into blind alleys, cutting to the right instead of running at defenders, like he did last season it's only natural that people would want us to get someone else. I have no issue with Martial and think he has bags of ability, I hope Mou is patient with him and gives him lots of chances like last season, it's up to him to take them and force himself to be an indispensable part of the team.
Nobody is simply going to just keep playing him because he's Anthony Martial, because he had some good games 2 years ago or because you think he's the best player at United. It's all up to him, some people just simply see things the way things are, while some just take anything they don't like about the players they like as an 'agenda'. I don't get it. I really like Mikhi and defended him most of last season but at some point I just had to admit he was not doing very well and had to up his game. You can't keep making excuses for people not doing a job they're earning millions for properly. It's Jose,its the fullback, it's the team set up, its formation, he's shattered because Jose criticised him last season etc

 

[Womp]

I don't understand why some posters get so far up a players arse that any sort of criticism is seen like some kind of personal attack. Like someone said these players play for the club I support, i'm not obligated to love them like my fecking brothers that I can't complain when they are not doing the job the club employed them to do up to the standard the club needs. Nani, I reckon, had more natural talent than Martial and Rashford put together, but was still moved on because he was not applying it or had any consistency to his game. I loved the little bastard to bits and was pissed off at Fergie for prefering the one dimensional Valencia as I felt Nani would improve if given consistent game time, but the fact is sometimes you can't be afforded that luxury.
It doesn't matter if you think Martial is better than Messi, if he spends most of the game loosing the ball, getting the ball stuck at his feet or running into blind alleys, cutting to the right instead of running at defenders, like he did last season it's only natural that people would want us to get someone else. I have no issue with Martial and think he has bags of ability, I hope Mou is patient with him and gives him lots of chances like last season, it's up to him to take them and force himself to be an indispensable part of the team.
Nobody is simply going to just keep playing him because he's Anthony Martial, because he had some good games 2 years ago or because you think he's the best player at United. It's all up to him, some people just simply see things the way things are, while some just take anything they don't like about the players they like as an 'agenda'. I don't get it. I really like Mikhi and defended him most of last season but at some point I just had to admit he was not doing very well and had to up his game. You can't keep making excuses for people not doing a job they're earning millions for properly. It's Jose,its the fullback, it's the team set up, its formation, he's shattered because Jose criticised him last season etc

Good post, I agree with the Nani bit, I use to love watching him play, but SAF prioritised Valencia and it won us a title. Managers know their own players better than fans do, it's really that simple imo.

 

[Dobbs]

Good post, I agree with the Nani bit, I use to love watching him play, but SAF prioritised Valencia and it won us a title. Managers know their own players better than fans do, it's really that simple imo.

That's not always the case.

Plenty of fans knew Rooney was finished while LVG was declaring he'll play every game. It took Mourinho a little time to realise and let's not get into the England managers.

That's not an isolated example either.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

Good post, I agree with the Nani bit, I use to love watching him play, but SAF prioritised Valencia and it won us a title. Managers know their own players better than fans do, it's really that simple imo.

Some managers can have fixed opinions on certain players.

Van Gaal rated Rooney as a better midfielder than Herrera and barely gave Ander a run of games. Herrera has proved to be one of the best midfielders in the league.

 

[RedNed77]

Has anybody noticed, Mourinho has been praising his work-rate in training for a few months now.

A bit if me wonders whether our half arsed and very public attempt to get Perisic hasn't been an elaborate ruse to put a rocket up Martials arse. It's his position Perisic would take and now he's working harder and getting publicly praised for it.

As for Jose, if he isn't convinced by mid August that Martial is really going to apply himself then he can bring in Perisic anyway.

 

[Womp]

That's not always the case.

Plenty of fans knew Rooney was finished while LVG was declaring he'll play every game. It took Mourinho a little time to realise and let's not get into the England managers.

That's not an isolated example either.

Fair point, but I think the Rooney case was more to do with club politics. I find it extremely difficult to believe a manager that has achieved what LVG has couldn't see Rooney was finished.

 

[CG1010]

A bit if me wonders whether our half arsed and very public attempt to get Perisic hasn't been an elaborate ruse to put a rocket up Martials arse. It's his position Perisic would take and now he's working harder and getting publicly praised for it.

As for Jose, if he isn't convinced by mid August that Martial is really going to apply himself then he can bring in Perisic anyway.

We would still be one man short in attack I feel. Atleast a squad player unless Lingard can improve his output drastically.

 

[RedNed77]

We would still be one man short in attack I feel. Atleast a squad player unless Lingard can improve his output drastically.

Jose doesn't like rotation anyway. It's a cliche but he generally works with smallish squads and conserves them with the rest defence. I don't think we need another attacker at all if he can get Martial doing what he wants him to do. IMO it's mkhitaryan who needs to improve his output drastically, Lingard is ok for cover.

 

[Dobbs]

Fair point, but I think the Rooney case was more to do with club politics. I find it extremely difficult to believe a manager that has achieved what LVG has couldn't see Rooney was finished.

Not sure about the club politics point. Mourinho played him for about a third of the season. It's far from the only example in anycase.

Let's be frank last season was a whisker away from being a disaster. Only an incredibly easy run in the Europa salvaged it and I'm not sure we even played all that well there.

So with that in mind I find it hard to accept a manager always knows his players better than fans. Sometimes they get it wrong.

I think he did on Martial.

 

[Escobar]

The thing is Martial makes it more difficult for himself because of poor movement that allows him being marked effectively.

He needs support and space, created by the fullback. If he had a Valencia behind him, I'm sure he could do better. As I said, not an excuse but LB has been an issue

 

[fellaini's barber]

That's not always the case.

Plenty of fans knew Rooney was finished while LVG was declaring he'll play every game. It took Mourinho a little time to realise and let's not get into the England managers.

That's not an isolated example either.

LVG was a clown, that much was obvious. If he was still here he would have probably sold Herrera too. For what its worth I didn't agree with Fergie on Nani at all. I don't know what Mou has done wrong with Martial so far that people moan about in this thread. He's getting his chances, some people feel he should be nailed on to start every game because of how talented they think he is,ignoring the fact that he's not showing it on the pitch. Let's hope he picks it up this season, because if it's anything like last season I wouldn't blame Mou if he wanted to move him on, which would be a shame because I like the lad

 

[Dobbs]

LVG was a clown, that much was obvious. If he was still here he would have probably sold Herrera too. For what its worth I didn't agree with Fergie on Nani at all. I don't know what Mou has done wrong with Martial so far that people moan about in this thread. He's getting his chances, some people feel he should be nailed on to start every game because of how talented they think he is,ignoring the fact that he's not showing it on the pitch. Let's hope he picks it up this season, because if it's anything like last season I wouldn't blame Mou if he wanted to move him on, which would be a shame because I like the lad

Can't say I've seen that opinion in here. From what I've read (and my own opinion) most just want to see more of him. For him not to get dropped after a decent performance etc.

The beauty of football is that we can measure decisions. That's what the league table does.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

 

[Womp]

 

[Womp]

Not sure about the club politics point. Mourinho played him for about a third of the season. It's far from the only example in anycase.

Let's be frank last season was a whisker away from being a disaster. Only an incredibly easy run in the Europa salvaged it and I'm not sure we even played all that well there.

So with that in mind I find it hard to accept a manager always knows his players better than fans. Sometimes they get it wrong.

I think he did on Martial.

Which had something to do with Rooney breaking the record surely? Iirc Rooney was almost instantly binned after that record breaking goal.