So as long as he keeps trying the perfect dribble and pulls it off a couple of times a year all is well? He needs to find a way to use his talents effectively - think Robben, not Messi. And a proper full back freeing him up has to help.
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So as long as he keeps trying the perfect dribble and pulls it off a couple of times a year all is well? He needs to find a way to use his talents effectively - think Robben, not Messi. And a proper full back freeing him up has to help.
I didn't see much luck in it. He's not dribbling around cones - defenders are there to disrupt or obstruct the run. Carvajal attempts to move the ball away from Martial's touch, to which Martial reacts and regains it whilst running. I think the brief loss and retrieval of control makes the assist all the more impressive.
Moment of magic, Carvajal transported to hospital for neck injury
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Needs a slow motion edit. The footwork 
Martial was pushed to the wing long before the emergency of Rashford.
I suppose that that dribble and the assist reminded people about what a magic player we have in our hands and we need to build the team around him, like Fergie did with young Ronaldo. A confident Martial playing at his full potential can transform our team and Mourinho needs to realise this; benching him for the like of Lingard or Rashford was a stupid decision and may have been the reason why we failed to get top 4. Best player in our team by far.
He isn't our best player, not even close really, and we certainly shouldn't be building the team around him.
Who's then? According to you?
While I don't agree he's our best player (De Gea, Pogba and possibly Bailly are ahead of him at the moment in terms of ability and importance to the team) I do agree Anthony has the highest ceiling of anyone in the team. I believe he could be a generational talent if he works on his off-the-ball play. United and Mou can also help him by bringing in players that make runs in that area of the field. Part of the reason he wasn't as good last year was Ibra just didn't make space for him. If United played with two strikers, they'd give Martial more room on the left to play and cut inside. He'd score 20+ goals a year in that kind of set up, even now. If he works on his positioning and his heading, he could be a 40 goal a season player.
De Gea and Pogba are quite easily better. Lukaku is a far better striker. Going off last season Bailly is better and if Rojo keeps up his performances so is he. Ander was also better last season. The lad is good but give over he is our best player.
You can talk about all your ceiling nonsense if you want but he isn't close to being our best player and likely never will be.
Pogba is by far our best and most gifted player and the team should be built around him. No slight on Martial though.
De Gea is a goalkeeper, I don't think it'd be a good a idea to build a team around him; Pogba still has a lot to prove to be labelled as better than Martial, for the price we bought him back, he showed nothing to suggest he's a class above other attacking players.
What has Lukaku done for us to label him as better than Martial? Martial showed his class under LVG scoring a total of 17 goals in his 1st season at a new club, in a new country, at age 19 playing as a winger. Don't let last season Jose's mismanagement of Martial fool your mind, I recommand you to watch some of his videos to remind you about the player he's.
I only think you are joking about Rojo and Bailly; soon you'll be throwing Fellaini and Lingard.
I think it's absurd that Rashford is rated higher than him. The difference in technical ability between the two is ridiculous like.
Jaysus...
Pogba isn't able to pull the kind of dribbles Martial can produce. I don't think he's by far our best player, maybe our expensive player yes. Building a team around him would be a daft idea; as we saw under LVG, find Martial in a good position and he'll produce a moment of magic, he did it several times in his 1st season with us because he had a manager who realised quickly how good he was and opted to build the team around him. Jose was stupid to not realise it and marginalised him and we finish 6th with Pogba, Zlatan, Rashford.
Jose is clearly aware of Martial working best in advanced positions, as he has given interviews about it and how it was tricky to get Martial into hos best positions. I think he definitely does know.
Self belief and consistency please. Not easy for both playing under Jose when as by its nature creativity comes with risks and mistakes. Can you imagine if he tried that then lost the ball and they went up the other end and scored!!!!
That's the position where you need creativity. If he lost the ball there and they scored in no way would it be his fault.
Only on redcafe you can hear people rating Rashford higher than him, realistic fans know that it is not true. It was stupid to bench him for the like of Lingard and Rashford, Martial is 3 levels above them.
And then he went on and used him like a 2nd fullback last season. I only hope he gives him freedom to attack more and don't ask him to defend most of the time.
I don't understand the obsession people have of building the team around a single player. That makes sense if you have Messi, Neymar, Suarez, Ronaldo, Bale, etc, in your squad, but very few players in world football deserve to have the team built around them at the highest level.
All we have to do is have a strong spine, and we're not far off with the likes of De Gea, Bailly, Lindelof (hopefully), Valencia, Pogba, Herrera, CM?, Rashford, Martial, Mkhitaryan/Mata, FW?, Lukaku.
We also probably need a left back, unless we're going to persevere with Shaw (I feel like I've typed that sentence word for word a hundred times in the last few months), a forward of some description who can guarantee goals/assists, and probably a midfielder for depth, though a Fabinho type who'd challenge as a starter would be better for obvious reasons. I wouldn't say no to Matic though.
Anyway, back on topic, Martial is young and inconsistent. There's no telling what kind of season he's going to have. It could be 15/16, or 16/17, or better/worse than either. His mentality could be an issue (as an outsider looking in, I would guess that last season it was an issue), but the kid is clearly incredibly talented. If he can translate that into work-rate and a better mentality (by which I mean, a Mourinho type mentality), then he could be phenomenal.
People want us to sign teenagers and players just reaching their early twenties. Well, this is what you get when you sign those players. Inconsistency. That's the joy of watching a player develop at your club. He might make it, he might not, but you don't write him off until he's out the door.
All we have to do is have a strong spine, and we're not far off with the likes of De Gea, Bailly, Lindelof (hopefully), Valencia, Pogba, Herrera, CM?, Rashford, Martial, Mkhitaryan/Mata, FW?, Lukaku.
We also probably need a left back, unless we're going to persevere with Shaw (I feel like I've typed that sentence word for word a hundred times in the last few months), a forward of some description who can guarantee goals/assists, and probably a midfielder for depth, though a Fabinho type who'd challenge as a starter would be better for obvious reasons. I wouldn't say no to Matic though.
Anyway, back on topic, Martial is young and inconsistent. There's no telling what kind of season he's going to have. It could be 15/16, or 16/17, or better/worse than either. His mentality could be an issue (as an outsider looking in, I would guess that last season it was an issue), but the kid is clearly incredibly talented. If he can translate that into work-rate and a better mentality (by which I mean, a Mourinho type mentality), then he could be phenomenal.
People want us to sign teenagers and players just reaching their early twenties. Well, this is what you get when you sign those players. Inconsistency. That's the joy of watching a player develop at your club. He might make it, he might not, but you don't write him off until he's out the door.
Stopped reading after Pogba has a lot to prove but Martial doesn't.
Only on the caf you hear someone say Martial is the best player at United.
Martial more gifted than this guy ?
Really ?
Really ?
Martial in his first season managed to be our best outfield and most important player almost dragging us to top 4(if not for some shambolic defending in that WHU game).
He's already shown he has the sheer talent and qualities to be THE main man at United. The fact some can even list a bunch of players over him as to say they are better or have more potential is a complete and hilarious joke.
Martial and Pogba are our squad most naturally talented players and their talents are so abundant that it's quite clear to see by simply watching them a bit.
He's already shown he has the sheer talent and qualities to be THE main man at United. The fact some can even list a bunch of players over him as to say they are better or have more potential is a complete and hilarious joke.
Martial and Pogba are our squad most naturally talented players and their talents are so abundant that it's quite clear to see by simply watching them a bit.
He was already married when he joined us at 19 or something wasn't he?
That'll do it.
Eh. Players like Martial and Pogba have the talent and potential to have huge teams like United built around them, even more so I'm Martial's case because he's an attacking player.
Martial has already shown in his first season that he has that ability and x factor to change games on his own. He can make those ridiculous runs and deliver piece of individual magic(his debut against Liverpool, his run against Tottenham, his run against WHU etc)only those ridiculously talented can only dream of.
Last year he had it very rough and wasn't trusted. His stock fell off and he became underrated on the Caf especially after Jose's public comments which were enough to have fan forgot about his abilities and sing the same tune as the manager last year.
I sit here and look at a player like Mbappe being glorified and taunted as the next biggest but when I have a look at Martial I see him more talented with more abilities. Difference between them being that one came from a hot half season in the cl while the other was getting harshly threated by Mourinho.
Martial first season already showed his talent and glimpses of his obviously high ceiling. Bring any talented kids such as Mbappe or Dembele, put them in Martial exact situation last year with Mou having little patience with their type of player and they'd find themselves being benched for hard workers like Lingard and Rashford and the Caf will move on and crave about the next newest hot product playing elsewhere while shitting on their own talented kids.
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His assist was a slice of magic, I think they key for him is to mix it up more often, he needs to go on the outside a lot more so the fullback can't settle into a rhythm of just trying to block him on the inside.
Hope he gets his head down and works hard this season. He has the potential to be a key player for us.
Lovely bit of magic for the assist, consistency is his problem but he's still young, young players are generally very inconsistent. The ability is there just needs to find a way to use it consistently with more experience that'll improve.
Expecting Lukaku to move more and keep central defenders busier so that should let Martial get isolated against fullbacks. Then, when he has the ball at his feet, he can twist them around and cause havoc like we saw yesterday. His running and dribbling with the ball, from his very first goal on, has clearly been his best ability.
No fan rates Rashford above Martial when we talk about Talent.
In my opinion, Rashford is not even close talentwise to Martial.
Anthony Martial, Marcus Rashford, Henrikh Mkhitaryan. That's the kind of mercurial talent that very few teams have. We don't appreciate it enough imo
I've read a few threads and posters have said consistency is a big problem with the following players:
Miki
Rashford
Martial
Lingaard
Pogba
Shaw
That is a large chunk of the team especially on the attacking side who are consistently inconsistent. An obvious area that needs to improved, and no doubt our results will also.
I wouldn't call them a mercurial talent on last seasons form. They have the potential, but let's be honest. Martial and Mkhi have both underwhelmed for the most part of last season. Rashford is more consistent and he's also bound to get to those levels.
It's more of a worry watching Mkhi though as he is supposed to be in his prime.
Only the caf can turn a wonderful bit of skill from Martial and a win against Real Madrid into a slanging match about who's our 'best player' which can only end with everyone being called shit.
We have lots of talented players, people. They're all very different. Enjoy it.
And top teams aren't actually 'built around' one player. Teams who only have one good player do that.
We have lots of talented players, people. They're all very different. Enjoy it.
And top teams aren't actually 'built around' one player. Teams who only have one good player do that.
One amazing dribble in a game where he was largely average, he's back to being better than Pogba, Rashford to become United's best player. Redcafe
Are you seriously sneaking Rashford as in a better player or talent than Martial?
Only person with comparable talent in our squad is Pogba. Then again reading your posts I'm not even surprised.
Christ, the way some of you lot talk about Martial you'd think we have young Messi. He's a great talent sure, but claiming Rashford isn't even close is laughable. For starters, at their current state, Rashford is the better player and offers the team more, he saved our season last season and carried us to a Europa League.
They're both great talents and the difference in ability really isn't as big as people make out, I'd claim Martial is only a little superior in terms of natural ability, there's more to ability than being good on the ball, otherwise Hatem Ben Arfa would be one of the most talented players to grace the Prem.
There's more to talent than dribbles. So LVG was smart for building the team around Martial, when we came 4th in a season where Leicester won the league and Chelsea were nearly relegated, but Jose is stupid for not building the team around him, despite coming 6th, with more competition and winning 3 trophies?
You claim Pogba can't do the dribbles Martial can, which is true, but Martial can't do a lot more as well as Pogba can. He can't ping the ball and find attackers in space, he can't shield the ball, he can't transition defence into attack, he's not as good at finishing from long distance, he isn't as good at intercepting, he can't read the game as well, his vision isn't as impressive etc.
What has Martial achieved to be considered a better talent than Pogba? Martial is nowhere near the French team whereas Pogba is arguably their talisman (along with Griezmann), Pogba has played in CL finals and was a regular for one of the best teams in Europe before you probably even knew who Martial was. He's a great talent but Pogba is our best player. For starters, Pogba doesn't need the team built around him to play well, we're still yet to see Martial adapt to the same circumstances.
You'd be very hard done finding many people who'd choose to keep Martial over Pogba if they could only choose one.
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They're both good talents (I don't think either Rashford or Martial are as good as some on here think) but I don't think Rashford gets the credit he deserves. He's rapidly improve and has just come off the back of a season where his individual brilliance saved our season. It's absolutely understandable to compare them as players, because the difference really isn't that big. One is a little more talented, one has a much better mentality (supposedly)
Rashford doesn't have more talent than Martial, but he's sure shown an ability to apply his talents better than Martial.
And Martial's talent isn't comparable to Pogba. Pogba is clearly more talented imo.
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