DWelbz19
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A thread and notion which was spot on, btw.The new Herrera must play...
As is the equivalent here.
A thread and notion which was spot on, btw.The new Herrera must play...
It can be argued he used him in the wrong way but obviously he is a defensive manager that is always gonna prefer the safer options at the back. All of our leftbacks are limited in some way, so it's more difficult to make things work down that side no matter who plays.I'm not too sure about Darmian was under instruction to stay back. Obviously we can't confirm this but if it's true then shouldn't the blames of Martial's dribbles become less efficient is on Jose?? So Martial shouldn't be blamed for that. I have said this in a couple days ago that Jose used Martial in a wrong way. Darmian provides no support at all to Martial.
If you look at the clips. If I remember there are three attempts of link up play of him. One with Darmian which was successful (if you look at Darmian he had slow reaction with this link up) and the other one is with Darmian as well but Darmian's pass was overhit. And the last one was with Valencia. Look at the difference between Valencia's reaction and Darmian. Valencia reacted quickly when he saw Martial had the ball.
So he wasn't just dribbling. He did link up play as well in that game. He had defensive contribution as well and did counter attack. And there was one moment not in the video because it was an offside from Liverpool young full back but Martial dropped back and intercepted the pass in that offside moment.
I'm not too sure about Darmian was under instruction to stay back. Obviously we can't confirm this but if it's true then shouldn't the blames of Martial's dribbles become less efficient is on Jose?? So Martial shouldn't be blamed for that. I have said this in a couple days ago that Jose used Martial in a wrong way. Darmian provides no support at all to Martial.
If you look at the clips. If I remember there are three attempts of link up play of him. One with Darmian which was successful (if you look at Darmian he had slow reaction with this link up) and the other one is with Darmian as well but Darmian's pass was overhit. And the last one was with Valencia. Look at the difference between Valencia's reaction and Darmian. Valencia reacted quickly when he saw Martial had the ball.
So he wasn't just dribbling. He did link up play as well in that game. He had defensive contribution as well and did counter attack. And there was one moment not in the video because it was an offside from Liverpool young full back but Martial dropped back and intercepted the pass in that offside moment.
I personally never thought the same about Mkhi as it was very similar to his treatment of Willian. However he's called out both Martial and Shaw in a kinda personal way (asking Martial to shut up through his agent, and mentioning Shaw and Smalling as being a bit wimpy when it comes to playing with injury) in a manner he's not done with Mkhi.We thought the same about Mkhi too, but look how that turned out. We also thought he would sell Mata. I think he's identified something he does not like in their style of play, I don't think it's personal and it's up to them to play their way back into the starting XI.
I agree but probably not for the same reasons. At that point Herrera was out of sorts and struggling a bit; sort of like Martial now. I reckon the outcry and hullabaloo is way OTT, as it was then.A thread and notion which was spot on, btw.
As is the equivalent here.
And when Martial played last season he did fine. Heck, in two of his last three starts he was one of our best players and got benched at a minimum after each.A thread and notion which was spot on, btw.
As is the equivalent here.
While it seems something is up behind the scenes here its getting fairly annoying the amount of blame Jose is getting when no one knows what is going on. Maybe Martial himself isn't putting in enough effort in training or his attitude is poor or whatever.
I agree but probably not for the same reasons. At that point Herrera was out of sorts and struggling a bit; sort of like Martial now. I reckon the outcry and hullabaloo is way OTT, as it was then.
I dont think anybody played particularly well but that isn't my point - his performance in that game was being described as being good and I disagreed - it may have been 'good' in comparison to some of his team mates but that doesnt mean it was a good performance. He is a much better player than he showed vs Liverpool.
I agree but probably not for the same reasons. At that point Herrera was out of sorts and struggling a bit; sort of like Martial now. I reckon the outcry and hullabaloo is way OTT, as it was then.
I think the sensitivity is heightened because of Mourinho's track record. He doesn't trust young players and has let a number go that have gone on to become top players. There is precedent.
I think people "exaggerate" a bit when it comes to Mourinho not using young players. Martial is born 95 and Pogba 93. But Pogba is a player who has his trust. Should be pretty easy really - if a player is good then they'll get a chance. Mkhitaryan had experience but lacked a few things according to Mourinho - Mkhi has taken care of those bits and is now a regular. It's probably the same with other young ones who are close to the starting 11 - fix a few things then you'll get a chance. But maybe I'm a bit naive...
Ik it's a long shot but I'd really like seeing him as our number 9 vs. Hull this midweek, tho ik that's wishful thinking.
More likely Rashford is to start there, which I'm completely OK with, but just saying would like seeing Martial in that spot for a game or 2.
Tho in the light of recent developments wouldn't surprise me at all if Martial isn't included in 18 men squad.
I would like to see a front 3 of Martial/Rashford/Mikhi with hopefully some interchanging and free flowing football against Hull.
Relative form for him this season, yes, but if it is true that Jose questioned his intensity and work rate, then that might not only explain why he keeps subbing him but also why he might not play him the next game: perhaps Jose thinks he needs a rest between games.And when Martial played last season he did fine. Heck, in two of his last three starts he was one of our best players and got benched at a minimum after each.
People were saying he needed to do better in games. His attitude in at least the last three starts has been great and he was one of the best players against Middlesbrough and Reading. His performance wasn't as good against Liverpool but he was nowhere near the worst. After his great performance against Middlesbrough he was left on the bench against West Ham (a team he has scored five goals against in less than two full seasons) and after similar against Reading he was a sub against Hull. Being saved for the Liverpool game maybe, but after that game he was left out of the squad entirely with Schweinsteiger - a player who has played 16 minutes all season - being preferred.
Here are the performances from two of his last three starts. Looks to me like someone eager to get back into the team.
He's come into form lately and still been dropped after each game.
Relative form for him this season, yes, but if it is true that Jose questioned his intensity and work rate, then that might not only explain why he keeps subbing him but also why he might not play him the next game: perhaps Jose thinks he needs a rest between games.
Out of curiosity, why do you think Jose rested him?
You can replace it with 'dropped' if you like. Why do you think Jose dropped Martial at Stoke?Very interesting choice of words there.
Relative form for him this season, yes, but if it is true that Jose questioned his intensity and work rate, then that might not only explain why he keeps subbing him but also why he might not play him the next game: perhaps Jose thinks he needs a rest between games.
Out of curiosity, why do you think Jose rested him?
You can replace it with 'dropped' if you like. Why do you think Jose dropped Martial at Stoke?
You'd have to ask Jose that (why he dropped him, not 'rested' him), but he managed to start more than a couple of consecutive games plenty of times last season and the season before so doubt it is to do with fitness when Rooney (a player many have complained about being overweight/not fit) has started consecutive matches on five separate occasions this season compared to three for Martial.
Mourinho signed Pogba for a world-record fee. He can't afford not to trust him, at the risk of looking like a complete idiot.I think people "exaggerate" a bit when it comes to Mourinho not using young players. Martial is born 95 and Pogba 93. But Pogba is a player who has his trust. Should be pretty easy really - if a player is good then they'll get a chance. Mkhitaryan had experience but lacked a few things according to Mourinho - Mkhi has taken care of those bits and is now a regular. It's probably the same with other young ones who are close to the starting 11 - fix a few things then you'll get a chance. But maybe I'm a bit naive...
Well, Martial of last season isn't really the same Martial we are seeing this season; also different manager, different demands.You'd have to ask Jose that (why he dropped him, not 'rested' him), but he managed to start more than a couple of consecutive games plenty of times last season and the season before so doubt it is to do with fitness when Rooney (a player many have complained about being overweight/not fit) has started consecutive matches on five separate occasions this season compared to three for Martial.
Mourinho signed Pogba for a world-record fee. He can't afford not to trust him, at the risk of looking like a complete idiot.
Players like Shaw, Martial and Rashford were all established players at senior level and all of them have had their wings clipped by Mourinho in some way. That's without mentioning someone like Fosu-Mensah whose development has no doubt been stunted by Mourinho's refusal to give chances to young players. I can understand Mourinho's reluctance to promote from within to some extent but there shouldn't be any excuses for the lack of progress from those 4 given the amount of talent they possess.
In a sense, all managers have favourites and there is nothing wrong with that when it is based on what they see the player do on the training pitch or on match day. For a time Ferguson preferred Jones over Rafael at right back, despite the caf preferring Rafael. Mourinho will presumably have good football reasons for not selecting Martial and Shaw.I am a big fan of Jose and obviously I don't see the players training etc but I do see some favouritism from Jose for certain players. It's clear things are not 100% between Jose and Martial. Yes, Jose may expect more from Martial and maybe Martial is not so keen on tracking back, but neither is Pogba. Some of Pogba's performances have been poor as bad as anything Martial has produced. Martial was covered by 3 Liverpool players every time he touched the ball. So other players should have took advantage but they didn't. Pogba's performance against Liverpool was terrible yet he was not dropped. Zlatan again has had poor games yet never substituted. Again I have to question this. Rashford and Martial were a revelation last year yet have never had a consistent run in the team.
Like I stated at the beginning I have no real idea of everything that has gone on. Jose should be given more time regardless of how we do for the rest of the year, yet I think a mark against him so far is his faith in youngsters at United.
He is a manager and that involves different approached to dealing with people, not everyone responds the same way. Maybe Martial and his agent are exacerbating the problem but I don't like managers having favourites, and at the moment despite all Jose's strengths this is a weakness he is demonstrating.
That right there is a Slam Dunc!
Anthony Martial is 21 years old. We signed him when no one had a clue who he was. His progression has therefore been beyond expectations as far as I'm concerned. He has played well this season and his waxing and waning performance trajectory is reflective of his stage development.
He was dropped from the squad, left for Paris, his agent mouthed off to French media again and now the red tops are reporting that Jose wasnt pleased with his Liverpool performance and that Martial was pissed off.Am I right in saying there's absolutely nothing concrete that suggests Martial is unhappy at United and/or Mourinho is thinking of letting him go? And these 10 pages over the last two days are much ado about absolutely feck all besides him not being selected on Saturday?