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2016-17 Performances

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NYAS said:
Can't decide whether he's saying the right things or whether he's throwing his toys out of the pram (again?).
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"It’s annoying, it’s really annoying (being benched), but it’s a challenge you have to overcome, & that’s how you progress."

Nothing wrong with that IMO or the bit about him being young. Patience is needed with young players in particular, as well as faith (Sterling had a flying start to this season under management of someone who believed in him. Gone a bit off the boil lately but still playing regularly). Thing is not every manager has that patience, particularly with the pressure they're under and if the player wasn't someone they signed.

Probably not the best thing he could have said but I don't see the issue with the stuff he's said apart from possibly the last sentence.
 
ash_86 said:
He should take Miki as an example and try to improve.
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Tbf, Miki is 27 and in the prime of his life. Martial is only really getting started. Last season was rare one from a player new to the league, plus so young. This season is more in line with where he actually is.
 
Scholesy said:
Miki didn't improve. He was simply given a proper chance to show his quality.
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No, He had to improve his mentality. Watch his video with MUTV again, he clearly says that, he came in with with the mentality that he would be an automatic starter , which then he understood was not the case due to heavy competition. Martial has bags of talent , but it's worth nothing until he improves his mentality and proves in training day in and day out.
 
Scholesy said:
He should leave us. Please Zizou #freeMartial

We would he top if Jose had used Mkh more earlier in season. The same applies and is applying to Martial.
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Jose gave Martial game after game early in the season, and Martial did feck all.

Wishing for RM to come buy him from us is just you trying to be controversial, as usual.
 
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Nothing to see in his comments imo, just a young player feeling frustrated at the situation and wants to do better.
 
Scholesy said:
No I'm not, the way we are handling Martial is a compltete waste of his talent.
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You shouldn't worry too much, last season was his first full season. And this season kind of reminds me Bernardo Silva who was as impressive as Martial during his first season and then failed during the second and he is now great. And the same thing happened to Sterling, If I'm not mistaken.
 
If Matrial was dropped rather than injured for the Crystal Palace game I think that is a little harsh. If Jose wants to bench him then fair enough but to actually leave him out of the squad? He hasn't been his brilliant best but he's hardly playing badly and seems to be getting some unfair treatment from Jose while others who have been poor more consistently never lose their place.

Hope to see him back tomorrow.
 
BringNaniBack said:
If Matrial was dropped rather than injured for the Crystal Palace game I think that is a little harsh. If Jose wants to bench him then fair enough but to actually leave him out of the squad? He hasn't been his brilliant best but he's hardly playing badly and seems to be getting some unfair treatment from Jose while others who have been poor more consistently never lose their place.

Hope to see him back tomorrow.
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Maybe he was just given a rest?
 
TheSweeper said:
Martial isn't a winger & he isn't even an inside forward. He was used as a winger at Monaco to break in to the first team. LVG moved him there because he couldn't drop Rashford & Lingard.

The following season he would have paired up with Rashford up top with Lingard in behind.

Jose should stop using players in different positions. Let Rashford & Martial compete for the ST spot if he isn't keen on adapting the formation to include these players.
It would Atleast have some sort of benefit to their development.

We should use mkhitareayn & Mata as wide midfielders in this current formation.
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This isnt specific to only you but there is a general consensus here that martial is a ST and not a LW. What is the basis for this?

The bolded part just does not make sense. As a youngster, wouldnt getting games be more important. If he is kept as a striker (which as I mentioned there isnt any evidence of him being one), both him and rashford would be warming the bench behind Ibra.

I find it weird that the coaches at Monaco, LVG and Mourinho who are undoubtedly world class havent been able to figure out that Martial is a striker as the posters here have
 
Nothing wrong with his comments, who was interviewing him? I think the part about people expecting a lot from him and needing to remember his age might be aimed at Nev.

Scholesy said:
No I'm not, the way we are handling Martial is a compltete waste of his talent.
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Yes you are, asking Zidane to save him, yes he'd really be saved sitting on the bench with Asensio waiting to see which of them gets those 10 minutes when Ronaldo comes off. He's gotten plenty of games this season and isn't producing, if he does he'll nail his spot.
 
Touseef said:
This isnt specific to only you but there is a general consensus here that martial is a ST and not a LW. What is the basis for this?

The bolded part just does not make sense. As a youngster, wouldnt getting games be more important. If he is kept as a striker (which as I mentioned there isnt any evidence of him being one), both him and rashford would be warming the bench behind Ibra.

I find it weird that the coaches at Monaco, LVG and Mourinho who are undoubtedly world class havent been able to figure out that Martial is a striker as the posters here have
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Martial is a good enough to do a job as a winger. However -

A) He isn't going to be able to give us performances above the norm because..
B) He doesn't have the skill set to improve as a winger

He isn't particularly good at crossing; he isn't actually all that skillful in terms of taking on a fullback which is a different kettle of fish to taking on a CB. He is very one dimensional as a winger and that is sad to see because he is a young player than can grow as a striker to bamboozle defenders for years to come. He is a very good finisher for his age & his passing in Central areas is quite good too.

When it comes to game time - sure it is important but it seems that Jose doesn't seem to give Rashford or Martial any time whatsoever as strikers - not even 5 minutes as a sub at the end of the match.

If martial & Rashford are here to be strikers & Jose has told them their time will come; my frustration at not seeing it does not matter. However if Martial is deemed to be the best LW we have this season, considering we didn't buy anyone else for that position then it will eventually come to the point where he will be replaced as a LW without actually having games to prove himself as a ST because his performances isn't or won't be good enough.

Mkhitareayn is more of the type of winger we need to supply Zlatan whilst Rashford & Martial are wide forwards by nature. I reckon out of the 3 young forwards of last season our best player has actually been Lingard because he is more reminiscent of the traditional winger that suits Ibrahimovic's game.

If Jose is only expecting martial & Rashford to be wingers for an intermediary amount of time; that's all good. If he thinks that this is his best position for the future then I disagree.

Monaco gave him his debut as a winger but it was evident his main position was as a striker being more similar to a wide forward. LVG only used him there because of the rise of Rashford & the fall of depay. It was never a permanent move & would have probably paired them two up in front of Lingard.
 
TheSweeper said:
Martial is a good enough to do a job as a winger. However -

A) He isn't going to be able to give us performances above the norm because..
B) He doesn't have the skill set to improve as a winger

He isn't particularly good at crossing; he isn't actually all that skillful in terms of taking on a fullback which is a different kettle of fish to taking on a CB. He is very one dimensional as a winger and that is sad to see because he is a young player than can grow as a striker to bamboozle defenders for years to come. He is a very good finisher for his age & his passing in Central areas is quite good too.

When it comes to game time - sure it is important but it seems that Jose doesn't seem to give Rashford or Martial any time whatsoever as strikers - not even 5 minutes as a sub at the end of the match.

If martial & Rashford are here to be strikers & Jose has told them their time will come; my frustration at not seeing it does not matter. However if Martial is deemed to be the best LW we have this season, considering we didn't buy anyone else for that position then it will eventually come to the point where he will be replaced as a LW without actually having games to prove himself as a ST because his performances isn't or won't be good enough.

Mkhitareayn is more of the type of winger we need to supply Zlatan whilst Rashford & Martial are wide forwards by nature. I reckon out of the 3 young forwards of last season our best player has actually been Lingard because he is more reminiscent of the traditional winger that suits Ibrahimovic's game.

If Jose is only expecting martial & Rashford to be wingers for an intermediary amount of time; that's all good. If he thinks that this is his best position for the future then I disagree.

Monaco gave him his debut as a winger but it was evident his main position was as a striker being more similar to a wide forward. LVG only used him there because of the rise of Rashford & the fall of depay. It was never a permanent move & would have probably paired them two up in front of Lingard.
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I started reading this post but after the first paragraph I got totally convinced that you actually DON'T know anything about Martial game given how misinformed and wrong you happen to be about his skillset, strengths and weaknesses.

You should delete your post, it's way beyond ignorant. I mean what you wrote couldn't be any further from the truth.
 
ash_86 said:
No, He had to improve his mentality. Watch his video with MUTV again, he clearly says that, he came in with with the mentality that he would be an automatic starter , which then he understood was not the case due to heavy competition. Martial has bags of talent , but it's worth nothing until he improves his mentality and proves in training day in and day out.
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It doesnt matter if he thought he would be an automatic starter. He would have thought the same at Dortmund, and he was one of the best players in the league there last season.
 
Scholesy said:
He should leave us. Please Zizou #freeMartial

We would he top if Jose had used Mkh more earlier in season. The same applies and is applying to Martial.
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Yes please take our most talented youngster, that will help us massively.
Also he wouldn't get near the starting 11 at Madrid you bellend.
 
BringNaniBack said:
If Matrial was dropped rather than injured for the Crystal Palace game I think that is a little harsh. If Jose wants to bench him then fair enough but to actually leave him out of the squad? He hasn't been his brilliant best but he's hardly playing badly and seems to be getting some unfair treatment from Jose while others who have been poor more consistently never lose their place.

Hope to see him back tomorrow.
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Yeah its been stop start. When he starts doing well or getting on a good moment he either ends up picking up a knock or getting dropped a few games later. Stoke - he scored, ended up injured and out of the team for the game against Liverpool after the international break. Played on the odd occasion since then, then scored 2 goals against West Ham not long ago, an assist against Everton then dropped from the whole squad after his game against Spurs.
 
Devil may care said:
Nothing wrong with his comments, who was interviewing him? I think the part about people expecting a lot from him and needing to remember his age might be aimed at Nev.



Yes you are, asking Zidane to save him, yes he'd really be saved sitting on the bench with Asensio waiting to see which of them gets those 10 minutes when Ronaldo comes off. He's gotten plenty of games this season and isn't producing, if he does he'll nail his spot.
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He isn't producing but is still class. Do you want us to sell him? How can he get form if he isn't playing regularly...
 
He's quality and will show it sooner than later. When he clicks our attack will click. Someone with the level of dribbling ability, balance and single-mindedness which Martial possesses needs to be trusted and closely honed in the coming years because a talent like this doesn't come along often.

Second season is more often than not a tough but humbling experience where opponents are more sharper and able to pin you down. Martial's first season was so good it is unfair to expect the same level when he's 21 but that's all people remember of him and expect. The same is happening with Dele Alli. The bar was set very high.

Also, he has a new manager who doesn't have the same closeness as he did with Van Gaal. It's understandable. Van Gaal lost the older players, but he encouraged youth and gave these guys their platform to shine. They will always remember him fondly for that.
 
Nothing really wrong with his comments but he does sound a bit sulky and immature.

Just needs to take his opportunities. Only his second season and he's not there yet.
 
Scholesy said:
He isn't producing but is still class. Do you want us to sell him? How can he get form if he isn't playing regularly...
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No, you're being petulant, I know he's got more talent than Lingard and the beleaguered Rooney, but he has been struggling and Mourinho obviously thinks he needs a jolt, it's not like he's been starved of game time.
 
I'm as big a Martial fan as anybody, got his jersey for the past 2 seasons but he's been crap. Apart from a few moments a game of class (His West Ham goals for eg) he's offered close to nothing from an attacking stand point. Looks like he doesn't care as much on the pitch. He isn't running at defenders like he use to, doesn't have the same cutting edge that he did last season and seems to be struggling to adapt to our new style by being reluctant to make runs behind defenders etc.

Also there are people saying how can he gain form if he isn't playing? He's played many games this season but has continued to disappoint. Maybe he just needs a little break from the spotlight to get the basics down or get his thoughts together, whatever his problem may be.
 
I'm really afraid for Martial's career. His attitude on and off the field is worrying. He has an exceptional talent, it would be a shame that he doesn't become a great player
 
K2K said:
He really hasn't though.

Hardly had any impact against Spurs.

He's simply out of form like Rashford is.
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Zlatan would be out of form if he played as a midfielder too. Martial & Rashford can't build any form because they are being shoehorned in
 
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