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Was at the match, thought he was up there for MotM. Always looked to link the play and showed a lot of workrate going backwards. Plus, he's just a smooth and lovable bastard.
Thought he wandered a little too much away from his original position, made the job a little more difficult for Rooney, but he has definitely improved on his early season form. Still expect more from him after he showed what he can do last season.
Wait instead of simply typing out the message, he put it in a pic together with hashtags and all, posted the pic and tagged himself? Sounds like a waste of time.
Or is there some reference I'm missing?
You're missing nothing. It's just the weirdness of the first part why I posted it.
Getting better... needs to get rid of the technical wastefulness though. Too many dribbles and passes are just off although the intent is good. Needs better precision. But a lot better. The movement was there.
Chelsea 4:0 Man Utd
Why didn't he start today?
José's easing him back in. Played the full 90 on Thursday so José was never going to start him today.
Because we set up defensively again and he's out of form. The sooner we start playing attacking football and getting our best attacking players involved and creating good chances the sooner everything will be alright. Might be a while and a change of manager before that happens though.
Played him in the wrong game then. Should have played a small part mid week. We've got a worldie of a talent and Jose needs to start treating him like one. Would also be nice if decided to play one of Bundesligas best players form last season over average players like young and Lingard.
His form will only improve by playing. And not at top form he's better than most we have. With top talents you stick with them. Like we did with Rooney and Ronaldo.
Can't disagree with you there. Hopefully, after todays game, José starts making Martial a prominent figure in our first 11 because he's an incredible talent that just has to play.
We need him up front..
Same with Mkhitarian. Two of our most talented players are having nearly no impact on our season. That makes no sense whatsoever, is hugely counter productive and it's the manager's job to ensure stuff like this doesn't happen.
Rest him for City for all I care, start him against Burnley.
He has to start upfront.
I've been thinking for a while we could play a system similar to Citys around 11-14 with both Rashford and Martial up front ala Aguero Tevez/Dzeko/Negredo against lesser opponents. Then have our wingers turn into inside playmakers ala Silva/Nasri to combine with our CMs to take full control of the game, with our full backs in Shaw and Valencia creating the width.
I may be alone in thinking this system would be most beneficial to our current squad, but I really would like for us to give it a shot. I think it could bring out the best in our best players.
To be honest, I've yet to be sold on Mkhi as, whenever I watched Dortmund during his time there, I just didn't take to him. Regardless, I'm itching to see him play and change my mind. His showings against Hull and Southampton, however little he played, were bright sparks that I hope to (eventually) see more of.
is he injured or are we just saving him for the weekend?
Anyone know why he wasn't involved last night?
I think one of Mourinhos biggest mistakes thus far is his handling of Martial somewhat, i think in general throughout his career given the type of manager he is he has always had a problem with the lackadaisical inspirational attacking players like Hazard Ronaldo Robben in the past, even if not always to do with their ability but rather their personalities.
At some point though there is always a compromised to be had, as some players are simply too good to leave out and at times even can get away with having special treatment, Feguson did the same with the likes of Cantona, Guardiola with the likes of Messi, basically giving them a sort of free reign as you knew their footballing ability far outweighed any personality issues they may have had.
For me Martial is the same, he is the one stand out attacker in Uniteds squad and the one player alongside Pogba with definitive world beating ability, as in he could one day win the B'allon dor, play for Barcelona or Madrid and basically attain all the things that come with being a top player. For me i've always seen Martial as another one of those moody French players, he has a very calm sometimes bothered personality and that is evident even in the graceful way he plays, everything has always come easy to him, with Martial his talent has been simply so huge you get the feeling he has never really had to work hard, and i feel that irks a manager like Mourinho or even Guardiola, two managers with differing philosophies but all with the same belief that a player is only a player and he is only a small part of a bigger more important team.
All of that is true of course, but i feel even Guardiola can sometimes understand the nuances of dealing with individualists like Martial, having played with a few great ones himself like Stoickhov, Romario, he does understand that sometimes the best option really is to compromise if a player really is that good, i think its Henry who said he would work on 2/3rds of the pitch (defence and midfield) and let the inspirational attackers simply do their 'thing', so in that he was given them the licence to simply be themselves and work their magic.
I feel a similar approach is needed for a player like Martial, yes he needs guidance, yes he needs coaching but sometimes when you've got a player as supremely talented as he is, the best learning can be on the pitch, simply put, he needs to play more games than not, and like Hazard he doesn't look like the type of player that reacts well to constant bollocking, which is why someone you could imagine thriving under a master psychologist like Ferguson, unique talents sometimes need unique approaches, its fine enthusing the greater need of the team, but when you've got a player brought for 60m as a teen with all the talent in the world, playing alongside 'team players' like Fellaini, you start to thank God for the individualism of the likes of Martial, equal treatment is fair, but not all footballers are made equal...
At some point though there is always a compromised to be had, as some players are simply too good to leave out and at times even can get away with having special treatment, Feguson did the same with the likes of Cantona, Guardiola with the likes of Messi, basically giving them a sort of free reign as you knew their footballing ability far outweighed any personality issues they may have had.
For me Martial is the same, he is the one stand out attacker in Uniteds squad and the one player alongside Pogba with definitive world beating ability, as in he could one day win the B'allon dor, play for Barcelona or Madrid and basically attain all the things that come with being a top player. For me i've always seen Martial as another one of those moody French players, he has a very calm sometimes bothered personality and that is evident even in the graceful way he plays, everything has always come easy to him, with Martial his talent has been simply so huge you get the feeling he has never really had to work hard, and i feel that irks a manager like Mourinho or even Guardiola, two managers with differing philosophies but all with the same belief that a player is only a player and he is only a small part of a bigger more important team.
All of that is true of course, but i feel even Guardiola can sometimes understand the nuances of dealing with individualists like Martial, having played with a few great ones himself like Stoickhov, Romario, he does understand that sometimes the best option really is to compromise if a player really is that good, i think its Henry who said he would work on 2/3rds of the pitch (defence and midfield) and let the inspirational attackers simply do their 'thing', so in that he was given them the licence to simply be themselves and work their magic.
I feel a similar approach is needed for a player like Martial, yes he needs guidance, yes he needs coaching but sometimes when you've got a player as supremely talented as he is, the best learning can be on the pitch, simply put, he needs to play more games than not, and like Hazard he doesn't look like the type of player that reacts well to constant bollocking, which is why someone you could imagine thriving under a master psychologist like Ferguson, unique talents sometimes need unique approaches, its fine enthusing the greater need of the team, but when you've got a player brought for 60m as a teen with all the talent in the world, playing alongside 'team players' like Fellaini, you start to thank God for the individualism of the likes of Martial, equal treatment is fair, but not all footballers are made equal...
Some interesting thoughts there RS! Hard to disagree with any of it.
One thing's certain though, if we want to win shit we need Martial back to his best and in the team.
According to PhysioRoom, he has a foot injury, although they expect him back for the weekend against Burnley.
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I don't get all these talks about Mou having a problem with Martial and all these conspiracy theories.
It's actually quite the contrary. Mou has favored Martial and persisted with him a bit at the beginning and ended up dropping him for continuous poor performances. Then had him back in the line up but unfortunately Martial went through a serie of small injuries forcing Mou to leave him out.
Mou has practically dropped Martial like once(poor form) but still restored him in the first team line up.
Since then every time Martial hasn't played or featured was because of injury or Mou easing him back in.
Lately all the games he failed to feature where due to injuries or he was just coming back from injury so needing to only play a bit part.
It's actually quite the contrary. Mou has favored Martial and persisted with him a bit at the beginning and ended up dropping him for continuous poor performances. Then had him back in the line up but unfortunately Martial went through a serie of small injuries forcing Mou to leave him out.
Mou has practically dropped Martial like once(poor form) but still restored him in the first team line up.
Since then every time Martial hasn't played or featured was because of injury or Mou easing him back in.
Lately all the games he failed to feature where due to injuries or he was just coming back from injury so needing to only play a bit part.
Did he really had a problem with Robben and Ronaldo? Robben had nothing but good things to say about Mourinho after he left Chelsea, and apart from the injuries he was pretty good in his 3 seasons there. Not sure about Ronaldo and Hazard's basically a spoilt child.
He also had success with players like Di Maria, Ozil, Benzema and Zlatan, players who are definitely way more 'lackadaisical' than Martial. Ozil and Benzema, especially, are ones who made the step up under Mourinho. When they came to Real Madrid they had bags of talent but were pretty fragile on the mental aspect. Mourinho made the mentally stronger and transformed them into a complete team players. You add into the mix players like Eto'o, Drogba and Sneijder, all who were famous for their attitude problems but found success with him, you can see he's pretty competent in the man-management department.
Martial will be fine under Mourinho. He knows which are the players that need 'special treatment'.
All this talk and he was injured..
Confirmed?
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http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...nited-Anthony-Martial-Manchester-City-EFL-Cup
Inflammation of the foot. Should be back for Burnley.
Of course he is, he wouldn't be one of the greatest managers of all time if he wasn't, and i certainly think his discipline and strict ethos can be the making of many a player has it was the examples you named, but at the same time that approach doesn't work with every player, and with supremely talented spoilt brats like Hazard maybe a different more easy approach is needed? I don't know Mourinho certainly knows better than me, but the original point basically comes bak to me thinking a player of Martials ability and age should be starting more games than not, from what i've seen of him last season he has the potential to as good as any attacker in Europe eventually, sooner or later he will have to be one of the main parts of the team for united to look truly prominent again.
IMO Martial has a better attitude than Hazard. He's definitely much more grounded and mature. And unlike Hazard he has the desire to be the best. Right now he's facing too many stop-starts. Once his divorce case and the niggling injuries are behind him I'm confident he will hit the ground running again.
Just a small annoyance, I'm seeing on a lot of threads people saying as fact he's out of form currently but is that actually true anymore? In his last two games he's been superb and got 2 goals in 2, looks to me to be back to normal really, just need him to get over these little injuries. I fancy him to start and score again against burnley.
This is what I've been saying. Prior to the cheksea game some people went on how Lingard was in better form than Martial thus deserved to start which simply wasn't true.
Martial came from his latest 2 games with 2 goals and injected energy in the side. He's been a lot more willing to take on his man compared to the start of the season where he was hesitant.
Injuries have been popping up lately which make it seems he's fluctuating in form but in truth he's been constantly on the rise for some time now.
Did you see the same games? Because scoring doesn't mean you are playing well. Martial wasn't good against Fenerbahce, and neither against Stoke. Lost the ball multiple times, did some bad runs, so I would say he was merely OK-ish. Definitely not the Martial from last year
He's not focus on his football.
Last year all was new to him and he never had criticism during his career.
He left his GF and now he's alone in Manchester, not speaking well and having faced a tough Euro, while his new GF (what a b****) is having fun in Paris.
He's too distracted. His injuries are not coming from nowhere.
Yes, he didn't had a proper pre season, but he was not good for the very first game of the season until that Watford display.
I've a lot of doubt with him, whether he'll be a great player or only a great talent.
He may push for a transfer in PSG sooner than expected.
But to be honest, this year's Martial is not someone that we should cry for if he goes.
We're having issues this season, mainly because our front four is not fast, creative and strong enough...
Last year all was new to him and he never had criticism during his career.
He left his GF and now he's alone in Manchester, not speaking well and having faced a tough Euro, while his new GF (what a b****) is having fun in Paris.
He's too distracted. His injuries are not coming from nowhere.
Yes, he didn't had a proper pre season, but he was not good for the very first game of the season until that Watford display.
I've a lot of doubt with him, whether he'll be a great player or only a great talent.
He may push for a transfer in PSG sooner than expected.
But to be honest, this year's Martial is not someone that we should cry for if he goes.
We're having issues this season, mainly because our front four is not fast, creative and strong enough...
I've no worries with him. Just get him, mkhi, mata and pogba consistent playing time and our season will slowly get better.
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I hope we try him for a few games in a row as our #9, having pace again up front would be tremendous.
Zlatan won't be pleased by being benched, but he is too professional to make it public.
Zlatan won't be pleased by being benched, but he is too professional to make it public.
No he was definitly good in both games. You watched a different game.
What's that all about? I think he's a bit too distracted and needs to focus on football and less the flashy lifestyle
I was at the Stoke game and I think for 20 minutes after he came on he was playing superb and was beating his man for fun. That then resulted in him getting his goal and for a further 10-15 minutes we looked like scoring more and he was a huge part of that. As the game went on we lost abit of control and we just couldn't get the service to martial and our strikers and as a result it becomes impossible to do much but his performance was certainly very good and only someone with a selective memory wouldn't agree.
Again against fener he was a constant threat, his movement in behind was hugely improved (goal came from just that) he was certainly a bigger threat than any other wing player we have had this season so to question his form after those two performances is very odd indeed and to me strikes of bandwagon following, and being swayed by what is said In the media.
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