[Raees]

After watching Mbappe closely during the Juve tie.. I can see why people rate him higher than a Martial. He's a more intelligent footballer and his dribbling has more unpredictability, his overall game is more complete.

For me Martial needs to restructure his game, add much more to his natural way of playing and furthermore.. I think playing on the wing will just hinder his development and make him more one dimensional.

Needs to play somewhere where he can be guaranteed number 9 role and he'd blossom.

 

[Raees]

Not in Dribbling and never will be. Sterling beats players easier and more consistently. the data backs it again

Totally agree. Sterling is on another level dribbling wise. Martial is more direct and penetrative though, whereas Sterling doesn't get the most out of his dribbling ability.

 

[Womp]

After watching Mbappe closely during the Juve tie.. I can see why people rate him higher than a Martial. He's a more intelligent footballer and his dribbling has more unpredictability, his overall game is more complete.

For me Martial needs to restructure his game, add much more to his natural way of playing and furthermore.. I think playing on the wing will just hinder his development and make him more one dimensional.

Needs to play somewhere where he can be guaranteed number 9 role and he'd blossom.

Interesting, I'd argue the opposite though. For me, a lot of the things Martial is lacking in his game are things he'd learn out wide. Movement, crossing, when to bomb forward, when to release the ball etc.

I'm still not convinced he'll be a striker in the future, more of a Neymar (not obviously as good, but similar in style) than a proper striker.

 

[Stacks]

Rashford is about three times stronger mentally, has a passing ability that is way less erratic than Martial's, Rashford has displayed wider variety of skill like backheels, rabonas, flick overs than Martial who seem mostly rely on his direct running and pace to get past defenders. Rashford sends in much better crosses, Martial rarely crosses and when he does it's a random kick into the penalty area. Rashford has a good long range shot on him, has hit a good free kick very recently whilst the only time I saw Martial take a long shot was once this season when he hit the post. Rashford has more agility, better balance, more determination, better understanding of what's around him. Rashford closes down opponents better, chases long balls down and has as a result scored about three goals by simply not giving up the chase. That also means he is a hard worker.

I don't understand how people can say stuff like Mourinho likes to give a youngster like Rashford a chance while doesn't like Martial for no apparent reasons. The difference in quality is very clear this season. It has more to do with Rashford's stronger mentality and self belief. Martial is more talented than Rashford if pace, dribbling skills and flair are the only thing you take into account. Rashford edges Martial if the season's output is taken account. But if we look at overall set of skill both players posses, it looks like Martial has the potential to be master of one, a beast at beating players and then cutting into the penalty area while Rashford could be jack of all trades.

Difficult to deny this. when you list their attributes, Rashford looks more varied.

 

[Raees]

Interesting, I'd argue the opposite though. For me, a lot of the things Martial is lacking in his game are things he'd learn out wide. Movement, crossing, when to bomb forward, when to release the ball etc.

I'm still not convinced he'll be a striker in the future, more of a Neymar (not obviously as good, but similar in style) than a proper striker.

He looks very disinterested playing out wide, which will hinder any chances to try and make him a player in that position. His idol is R9 and he has repeatedly stated that this is the case (look at the strop he threw when given the 11 shirt).

End of the day you can't teach someone who refuses to be taught and the most important thing for anyone to reach their potential is to enjoy what they do and at CF, he enjoys himself and you can see the effort levels he puts in is on a different level.. he harries, chases lost causes and looks engaged.

Now as to the the particular attributes, crossing will never be a part of his game because the way he runs with the ball, he looks to go straight for goal or come in off the flank, improving his crossing would just be futile and not really get the most out of him as a player..he's a goalscorer rather than a traditional wide man.

As for knowing when to release the ball, on the wing, he is more likely to ball hog and run at players time and time again, especially in a side like United which is so one paced, it relies heavily on him or Rashford to provide that thrust with the ball at their feet. Up front, he can't just dribble all the time, he has to constantly be on the move and work hard.. he can't just stand in one place and wait for the ball to come to him, he has to use link up play to avoid detection from defenders and he will be tasked with scoring goals, so has more responsibility on his shoulders.

It would force him to brush up on his finishing, make him more ambidextrous. He also has good core strength and is decent at hold up play (better than Rashford for me at this moment in time).

I think Rashford left wing and Martial up top for rest of season would bring out best in both of them.

 

[kouroux]

I cannot see it Martial making it as a central player. He's too limited to play there and wants to touch the ball and dribble past players. Not gonna do that from the middle that easily. He's played his best football wider and his worst football as a central player (Monaco and so far at Man Utd).

 

[Varun]

He needs a LOT of work on his movement off the ball.

 

[royboy16]

Nobody really, he wasn't that important for them to begin with, they still cannot believe we paid this much for him. Jardim just adapted to a more defensive system last season, while incorporating young players slowly.

Nice one - thanks

 

[Gbenger]

Rashford is about three times stronger mentally, has a passing ability that is way less erratic than Martial's,

Mental Strength is different from what we are discussing as talent. Do you have any proof of Rashford's passing being better than Martial's? I too watch them both quite often

Rashford has displayed wider variety of skills like backheels, rabonas, flick overs than Martial who seem mostly rely on his direct running and pace to get past defenders.

Fancy skills or variety don't mean that much regards dribbling. For example Ronaldo has always had considerable variety to his dribbling including more fancy tricks but Messi's dribbling is several levels above simple because of his close control which is a talent very few footballers possess(Martial does possess this ability too but on a lower level)
In fact it is Rashford who relies more on his direct pace and running to beat a player. His greatest dribbling skill is basically kicking the ball and running to it. That's why he so often runs the ball down the touchline while attempting to beat his man. I remember his dribbling on the wing well enough when Jose gave him a good run there and it was hideous. You are having a mare here

Rashford link up play is better as he tends to release quicker passes. It was there on display in the game against Chelsea when he was linking up with Lingard. Even last season he was linking up with likes of Fellaini only for the big guy to hit the cross bar with his shot. Rashford sends in much better crosses, Martial rarely crosses and when he does it's a random kick into the penalty area

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Rashford linking up better with the likes of Lingard or Fellani doesn't guarantee anything. Martial links up well with attackers decently and that's why he has been able to produce decent assists.

Rashford has a good long range shot on him, has hit a good free kick very recently whilst the only time I saw Martial take a long shot was once this season when he hit the post.

I'm fine with this

Rashford has more agility, better balance, more determination, better understanding of what's around him. Rashford closes down opponents better, chases long balls down and has as a result scored about three goals by simply closing down the goalkeepers. That also means he is a hard worker.

Hard work is different from talent. How can you still struggle with this?

I don't understand how people can say stuff like Mourinho likes to give a youngster like Rashford a chance while doesn't like Martial for no apparent reasons.

Actually it has nothing to do with talent as Mourinho apparently said he believes Martial is very talented. Why did you even bring this up?

The difference in quality is very clear this season. It has more to do with Rashford's stronger mentality and self belief. Martial is more talented than Rashford if pace, dribbling skills and flair are the only thing you take into account. Rashford edges Martial if the season's output is taken account. But if we look at overall set of skill both players posses, it looks like Martial has the potential to be master of one, a beast at beating players and then cutting into the penalty area while Rashford could be jack of all trades. As of now, Rashford surely looks more talented than Martial. The fact that it may or may not change in the future shouldn't be a part of a discussion that talks about their current abilities.

What difference in quality?

So you mean by Rashford having what you consider a decent season at best and Martial struggling is due to difference in quality?
Tell me how many goals and assists both Martial and Rashford have this season. Rashford has definitely played more minutes so give me the figure for their productivity per minutes because i would like to see this difference in quality that is very clear.
I think @Damien can help with this.

 

[shield]

The fact that you keep going back to last match and using examples from the big games proves my point. As I said, that doesn't excuse his performances in other circumstances. Big games and negative tactics or whatever aside, I can count on one hand the amount of good performances he's had this season that I can recall and for a player of his ability that's not good enough, it's on him. I'm not judging him purely in those big games (even though he should have done better, as Lingard and Rashford have shown against Chelsea). What about the games where we were completely dominating, what about with France at the Euros or towards the end of last season? He's been poor in a majority of games now, not just games where the tactics were negative.

If Martial is playing poorly, he should be judged as any other player would. The fact that he's talented and has a high ceiling is exactly why we should expect more from him. This isn't just bad tactics, he just doesn't look as sharp as he use to. He's holding onto balls for too long, running into dead ends, not releasing the ball to teammates nearby quick enough etc.

Man management and whatever aside, if his terrible form is down to Jose being mean to him and him losing his number, then he really doesn't have the mentality to make it. Players worth their salt would do all they could to prove the manager wrong (assuming that Jose is being a cnut to him of course, which I highly doubt as he's praised him in the media countless times) Also, I really don't care to get into a discussion about his management of Martial. Fact of the matter is none of us know how he treats the players, all we have to go by is interviews etc. For all we know he's tried everything with Martial.

I was only pointing out that people were needlessly jumping on his back after a performance where even the manager was not that much interested in the result. One was even comparing him to Depay of all people. Criticisms need to be made objectively, seeing the team put out and the tactics involved. Even Mourinho must be ignoring his forwards performances in matches where he has clearly set out to draw.

He is an excellent player and any team will be glad to have him in their attack. He has also proved it last year and don't think anyone can say otherwise.

You are talking about improvement and adjusting to the Mourinho's system which is correct. The system is very difficult for the attackers to perform under and he is still adjusting to it. Earlier in the season, he was expecting more balls to his feet and in Mourinho's system, one needs to be more mobile because the ball will never come to you directly.

What I was also trying to say is that the attack needs to improve for him to perform well. If you have wingers tucked in and Rooney and Carrick or Fellaini in midfield, and show no attacking intent. then you can't come out complaining about why your forward are underperforming. There is just that much a forward can do and if the service is poor then their performance suffers. You just have to see Rashford's frustration with Fellaini in the City match.

Have we ever had an occasion this season when all the attackers were having a grand time but only Martial was poor. It has been a collective thing and I am OK with that because circumstances are very different this season. The decline of Rooney, Carrick's aging, Pogba needing time to adjust, lack of decent midfield options, high number of injuries, lack of decent attacking outlet. So, Mourinho also has to provide him that environment to excel and I think he will be able to do that next year when he has a proper transfer window behind him.

Has it been a disappointing season for him. Absolutely. But it has been the same for almost everyone in the team. Which player has really thrived this season. And how is it possible to thrive, when so many areas which need improvement. When we look back to the season we won't have anyone say, "Martial was so good that 2016-17 season". We can't say that for anyone this season.

I don't mind the negative tactics right now. We need to do whatever is possible to achieve CL qualification because without that, we will go into the next season with a massive handicap. If we don't get the right players next season, it might mean more of Rooney, Carrick and Fellaini and that could only mean bad news for Martial because don't think those fit into any system and it is terribly difficult to perform with washed up and past it players.

So, if Mourinho feels the need to play 6 defenders to achieve that, so be it. All matches from now on will be just means to an end. I do however object to meaningless criticisms of players (not saying you are doing it) without looking at the circumstances.

 

[Shuriken]

To me, Martial is the epitome of a forward who can play all positions. I've at times humorously imagined how he'd fare playing in the old era, when teams used to field five forwards in a setup of two wingers, two inside forwards and one central forward.

I like to think he'd slot in on any of those positions, now as then. He's a versatile forward.

As a striker he could very well excel, as I do believe he has the necessary finishing qualities. That being said, he's probably a better striker in a partnership of two, rather than going at it alone. I except that to change though.

As a winger he has turned in his best performances, thus far. I would also like to see him as a winger on the right, not just the left.

In any case, his defensive responsibilities should be kept to a minimum, but going forward he's quite dynamic.

 

[Vaibhav Raj]

That quite a poor response no offense.

Mental Strength is different from what we are discussing as talent.

Why can't we consider mental strength and hard work as talent? Does everyone have the same same mental strength and will to work hard? No? Well then that's a talent. Moreover, I would go as far as arguing talent without those two aforementioned attributes is pure waste. There are examples after examples of talented players bitng dust because they simply don't have the mentality. So.....mental strength and will to work hard IS talent. I gave you an example of Rashford getting tap in goals because of his tireless closing down of goalkeepers. His hard work has literally gotten him 3 easy goals in last two season and you say that's not a talent.

Do you have any proof of Rashford's passing being better than Martial's? I too watch them both quite often

Martial's passing is poor. If you have watched Martial a lot and haven't spotted his tendency to misplace simple forward passes, I would advise you to watch our games again. It is very obvious so I don't know why you haven't seen it.

Fancy skills or variety don't mean that much regards dribbling. For example Ronaldo has always had considerable variety to his dribbling including more fancy tricks but Messi's dribbling is several levels above simple because of his close control which is a talent very few footballers possess(Martial does possess this ability too but on a lower level)
In fact it is Rashford who relies more on his direct pace and running to beat a player. His greatest dribbling skill is basically kicking the ball and running to it. That's why he so often runs the ball down the touchline while attempting to beat his man. I remember his dribbling on the wing well enough when Jose gave him a good run there and it was hideous. You are having a mare here

Fancy skills don't really mean better dribbling ability. Everyone knows that. What I was pointing at is while both players are equally direct and largely rely on their pace to get past player, Rashford has some sweet skills to fall back on in case needed. It adds more variety to his dribbling. When it comes to direct running, both the players are good at it albeit Martial keeps closer control. If Rashford often ends up running the ball out of play due to his knock the ball and run strategy, Martial often starts clattering into defenders due to his close dribbling style. It hasn't made him more effective than Rashford. So results? Both have good pace and dribbling ability but Rashford has more to his arsenal.

Rashford linking up better with the likes of Lingard or Fellani doesn't guarantee anything. Martial links up well with attackers decently and that's why he has been able to produce decent assists.

Martial's link up play got him assists? Nope. His dribbling and his cut backs did. Martial doesn't do much of a link up play because again, his passing isn't good. One time it did come off was when Herrera put him through in FA cup semi last year. He took the ball from Rooney, cut inside, passed to someone, received it back, passed to Herrera, went in the penalty area and received the pass and scored. See, I remember the instances it came off and I very well remember many other instances when it didn't. Rashford is fair bit better at combining with other players.

Actually it has nothing to do with talent as Mourinho apparently said he believes Martial is very talented. Why did you even bring this up?

That was me hinting that had Martial been good enough, he would have gotten chances. Mourinho says Martial is more talented, yet prefers Rashford over him. Could it be that even he thinks Rashford, currently, looks more talented?

Lastly, the laughing emoji and absolutely no counter argument to the last few bits you have quoted. Surely you can think of something better to counter what I said? I mean I could have just quoted you entire post and pasted laughing emojis with a generic question. Would that carry any quality? Or add anything to a discussion? You're are so obviously on the back foot here.

Look, I am not here to berate our own player. I don't do that. Like everyone else, I want Martial to succeed. But all I am saying is when all the attribute points are added up, Rashford comes on top of Martial which means he currently looks more talented. Martial is talented too but the discussion is about who is more talented. How these players grow in upcoming seasons is a different thing altogether. But to say Martial is going to be a world beater while Rashford isn't going to develop as well especially when Rashford displays more ability right now, is simply stupid.

 

[Shiva87]

You also have no idea about him, so why you decide to blame him and blindly trust Jose?


And what we also see is United sitting 5th under Mourinho management!
So you trust Jose despite the fact he's underachieving after spending a tone of money last summer and many players are not playing at their true level?

Supporting the manager is one thing but blindly following him is another! It seems that Mourinho can never be wrong despite the fact his history at previous club suggest otherwise.

Yes we've to trust Jose, but what happened to the support and trust to our players?

I've gone through a bunch of your posts in this thread and its hard to agree with you on many counts. First, 5th or 2nd this season does not matter as long as there is progress with the squad. Its undeniable that the team has improved leaps and bounds since the LVG sacking. 1) More quality on the ball. 2) Tactical discipline, 3) attacking intent/ creativity, 4) higher speed of moving the ball. Even if you ignore all of that, we've already got as many points as LVG's team last season in 35 games (3 games less) in a much tougher league. Last season, Chelsea, City, and Liverpool were struggling. But this season, they haven't been anywhere near that poor.

 

[GM K]

The fact that you keep going back to last match and using examples from the big games proves my point. As I said, that doesn't excuse his performances in other circumstances. Big games and negative tactics or whatever aside, I can count on one hand the amount of good performances he's had this season that I can recall and for a player of his ability that's not good enough, it's on him. I'm not judging him purely in those big games (even though he should have done better, as Lingard and Rashford have shown against Chelsea). What about the games where we were completely dominating, what about with France at the Euros or towards the end of last season? He's been poor in a majority of games now, not just games where the tactics were negative.

If Martial is playing poorly, he should be judged as any other player would. The fact that he's talented and has a high ceiling is exactly why we should expect more from him. This isn't just bad tactics, he just doesn't look as sharp as he use to. He's holding onto balls for too long, running into dead ends, not releasing the ball to teammates nearby quick enough etc.

Man management and whatever aside, if his terrible form is down to Jose being mean to him and him losing his number, then he really doesn't have the mentality to make it. Players worth their salt would do all they could to prove the manager wrong (assuming that Jose is being a cnut to him of course, which I highly doubt as he's praised him in the media countless times) Also, I really don't care to get into a discussion about his management of Martial. Fact of the matter is none of us know how he treats the players, all we have to go by is interviews etc. For all we know he's tried everything with Martial.

Very, very correct.

Same thing I've been saying.

I don't know how bad tactics can be a good excuse for losing balls, having bad touches, not being able to dribble consistently well, not passing at the right time and generally having little influence on a game.

We can talk about tactics all day long but there are some basic things a player in form must be able to do and do excellently well. When Zlatan was at PSG, Cavani kept saying he preferred to play as a center forward, but that hardly happened. He was always shipped out wide. But it never diminished his quality. You could always see that he was an awesome player even though he was being used in his best position. When Zlatan eventually left, he was moved to the center and he only continued to bang in the goals but this time, he scored more.

I have heard the same 'tactics' argument used for Mikhi and I just don't buy it. He is not in great form, simple. It doesn't mean Martial and Mikhi are bad players or cannot be incredible next season, because they can. But to say tactics is why they are making school boy errors, sounds ridiculous to me.

 

[RedDevilCanuck]

I rate sterling but he's always played in teams with a potent attack. Martial in that Liverpool side or this city team would look miles better.

We saw sterling in a disjointed England team and he was so bad many were claiming he was finished or overrated or a bottler.

Point is Martial is low on confidence but has the talent to dominate and with better players and a better system around he should flourish. He needs to be better.

 

[VeevaVee]

I rate sterling but he's always played in teams with a potent attack. Martial in that Liverpool side or this city team would look miles better.

We saw sterling in a disjointed England team and he was so bad many were claiming he was finished or overrated or a bottler.

Point is Martial is low on confidence but has the talent to dominate and with better players and a better system around he should flourish. He needs to be better.

It's a tough one though, because we need to improve generally for him to hopefully be better, but he's part of the problem too. I felt the same with Depay.

 

[TheReligion]

The issue I have with Martial at the moment is yes he's not in form but he should be running his socks off and pushing as hard as he can to play himself back in. Just do the basics well and the rest will come.

I just hate players that meander around accepting things aren't going for them. Rashford had goal drought but he got game time as he kept on going and going irrespective of how things went for him on the pitch.

 

[pocco]

The issue I have with Martial at the moment is yes he's not in form but he should be running his socks off and pushing as hard as he can to play himself back in. Just do the basics well and the rest will come.

I just hate players that meander around accepting things aren't going for them. Rashford had goal drought but he got game time as he kept on going and going irrespective of how things went for him on the pitch.

Rashford had more than a goal drought, his all round play has been poor for most parts this season. But a good game against Chelsea and a goal last week have quickly changed opinions, even so far as to make people overlook his further recent bad games. Martial needs the same luck and people will get off his case, but i find people seem to be more sympathetic to Rashford in general.

 

[acnumber9]

Rashford had more than a goal drought, his all round play has been poor for most parts this season. But a good game against Chelsea and a goal last week have quickly changed opinions, even so far as to make people overlook his further recent bad games. Martial needs the same luck and people will get off his case, but i find people seem to be more sympathetic to Rashford in general.

They're more sympathetic to Rashford for the very reason stated in the post you quoted. He works much harder. It wasn't luck that led to Rashford scoring those goals and showing better form.

 

[Jib]

I cannot see it Martial making it as a central player. He's too limited to play there and wants to touch the ball and dribble past players. Not gonna do that from the middle that easily. He's played his best football wider and his worst football as a central player (Monaco and so far at Man Utd).

He was better as a central player for Monaco.

 

[Jib]

Havent watched a lot of Monaco bar the champions league but who replaced him in the Monaco team once he signed for us ?

Guido Carillo !

Monaco was average/bad last season and Jardim was very disappointed to see Martial leave.

 

[Yagami]

When will this myth that Martial doesn't work had in games go away? One of the most impressing things about him last season was how much he tracked back considering, for a lot of last season, he was our only reliable threat in attack. In not only his last game against Arsenal he worked incredibly hard.

 

[pocco]

They're more sympathetic to Rashford for the very reason stated in the post you quoted. He works much harder. It wasn't luck that led to Rashford scoring those goals and showing better form.

Rashford has his downsides, such as his complete unwillingness to contend headers or go in for 50/50s because he is scared, and I think Martial is possibly better than Rashford defensively. If Martial didn't contend headers or 50/50s then I'm sure it would have been brought up, whereas with Rashford I don't think I've heard it mentioned away from the ground. And this is what I mean. Even against City (might have been Celta Vigo, can't remember) Rashford walked the whole match. Your post does nothing but confirm what I'm saying for me.

 

[Cassidy]

He needs a LOT of work on his movement off the ball.

His biggest issue IMO

 

[acnumber9]

Rashford has his downsides, such as his complete unwillingness to contend headers or go in for 50/50s because he is scared, and I think Martial is possibly better than Rashford defensively. If Martial didn't contend headers or 50/50s then I'm sure it would have been brought up, whereas with Rashford I don't think I've heard it mentioned away from the ground. And this is what I mean. Even against City (might have been Celta Vigo, can't remember) Rashford walked the whole match. Your post does nothing but confirm what I'm saying for me.

So you think people randomly decided to judge players differently for no reason at all? If you can't see that Rashford works harder then you're not paying enough attention. Which you've pretty much admitted yourself given you don't even know what game it was he 'walked' around in.

 

[acnumber9]

When will this myth that Martial doesn't work had in games go away? One of the most impressing things about him last season was how much he tracked back considering, for a lot of last season, he was our only reliable threat in attack. In not only his last game against Arsenal he worked incredibly hard.

Work rate doesn't mean just tracking back. It's busting a gut to get into good positions going forward too. Last season he wasn't getting this criticism so itnplays no part in how people rate his contribution this season.

 

[SteveW]

When will this myth that Martial doesn't work had in games go away? One of the most impressing things about him last season was how much he tracked back considering, for a lot of last season, he was our only reliable threat in attack. In not only his last game against Arsenal he worked incredibly hard.

True. He's shown a really good attitude and worked very hard in recent games. It's absolute crap to say he doesn't work.

He does need to improve his off the ball movement when in attack though. Not so much effort but to vary it a bit and be a bit more clever. Regardless I think he should be in the team tonight. Possibly our most talented player.

 

[Yagami]

Work rate doesn't mean just tracking back. It's busting a gut to get into good positions going forward too. Last season he wasn't getting this criticism so itnplays no part in how people rate his contribution this season.

I think the criticism of his off the ball movement is very overplayed. I constantly see him make runs off the ball only for whoever's in possession reluctantly keep it rather than pass. Surprisingly, Carrick is very guilty of this as there's been many a time I've been shocked to see him not play Martial through despite being an amazing passer. I'm not saying it's fine as he does need to work on it, but it's not none existent.

He's not the type who's going to constantly make run after run off the ball like Lingard because he's not that type of player; he likes the ball at a stand still. That doesn't mean he's not working hard.

 

[acnumber9]

I don't know how people can claim there has been no problem with his work rate on one hand and then say how hard he's worked in recent games on the other. If he'd been putting the effort required sooner those games wouldn't stand out.

 

[Yagami]

I don't know how people can claim there has been no problem with his work rate on one hand and then say how hard he's worked in recent games on the other. If he'd been putting the effort required sooner those games wouldn't stand out.

It's just an example from his most recent performance. They don't stand out from his general showings. He started the season off poorly and has just generally had an up and down season, but I've never seen a problem with his work rate bar his slump at the start of the campaign.

 

[kouroux]

He was better as a central player for Monaco.

He wasn't at all. He was average at Monaco no matter where he played

 

[Carl]

He's definitely better as a wide forward than a central one, problem is that Jose really demands a lot from his wide players defensively and this is the big difference for Martial compared to last season.

Same position on paper but being asked to do a very different role. He's not a Jose wide player at all. Nor is he a Jose centre forward... Get my drift?

 

[Jib]

He wasn't at all. He was average at Monaco no matter where he played

Not true. He played as central player in 2015 in place of Berbatov and tanks to him, they finished 3 rd ( CL spot ) and Jardim was upset when they sold Martial because he was very important for Monaco.

 

[Vaibhav Raj]

Rashford has his downsides, such as his complete unwillingness to contend headers or go in for 50/50s because he is scared, and I think Martial is possibly better than Rashford defensively. If Martial didn't contend headers or 50/50s then I'm sure it would have been brought up, whereas with Rashford I don't think I've heard it mentioned away from the ground. And this is what I mean. Even against City (might have been Celta Vigo, can't remember) Rashford walked the whole match. Your post does nothing but confirm what I'm saying for me.

Strangely enough, if you went on squaka website, you will see Rashford has offered way better defensive output than Martial. Not a metric to judge them by. But just pointing out the lack of stats backing your claim.

 

[kouroux]

Not true. He played as central player in 2015 in place of Berbatov and tanks to him, they finished 3 rd ( CL spot ) and Jardim was upset when they sold Martial because he was very important for Monaco.

I never said he didn't play centrally, just that he wa a bit average. Jardim was mostly annoyed because he wasnt allowed to develop Martial's big talent as much as he intended.

 

[Jib]

Jardim was mostly annoyed because he wasnt allowed to develop Martial's big talent as much as he intended.

I agree but Martial was good as central player. Far better than Germain or Guido Carillo.

 

[shield]

Thank heavens he was not played today. We had 10 men sitting deep and people would be on here telling that it was all Martial's fault and he should do better and how a players performance is never about tactics.

 

[GDaly95]

I personally don't expect it to work out for him here. His attitude is questionable but above all, I just don't think that he is as talented as first appeared. He has great feet but I think he lacks flair, he doesn't use his pace at all and his off-the-ball movement is non-existent. Is it laziness or a lack of intelligence, or a bit of both?

When he first arrived I thought he was the real deal and my opinion of him has just slowly deteriorated ever since. I'm not saying we should sell him or anything like that, he's still young and his time here may be far from over, but now I'll be pleasantly surprised if it does work out rather than unpleasantly surprised if it doesn't.

 

[Home&Away]

It's pretty funny how martial has so many weaknesses all of a sudden especially his 'attitude' & 'work rate'.

The same problems mata, de bryune, Lukaku all seemed to have during Jose's times
. If he isn't wanted here - I hope he goes to another club and prove us wrong like the other countless rejects.

Some people can see through politics and some people are just believers

 

[SwansonsTache]

Boy needs to learn some movement. His movement off the ball is seriously lacking, same with his decision making at times.

The difference between Mfappe's movement and Martial is staggering.

One of those things that can be coached though.