This just proves my point, and as I said before really no point on discussing any further.
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This just proves my point, and as I said before really no point on discussing any further.
Yeah, completely. Evidence is overrated, apparently.
You sound irritated and I'm not sure why because the below reads very much like you're talking about BFS.
He evidenced BFS as an example of treating a player unfairly for no reason whatsoever. I explained the reasons why he wasn't played and that it wasn't some irrational hatred of random players for the sake of being an arse.
Jose admitting he shouldn't have dropped BFS to the reserves is inconsequential, he wasn't played because he wasn't good enough. Get it?
Not sure if this has been posted anywhere, and not really sure of where it should be posted. But people in this thread in particular talk about how Jose doesn't give kids a chance etc. How he messed up with various young players at other clubs who went on to be a success elsewhere etc. And they use it as evidence as to why he's "ruining" Martial.
Minutes given to teenagers in Premier League this season:
Conte: 0
Wenger: 1
Guardiola: 415
Mourinho: 1,443
Minutes given to teenagers in Premier League this season:
Conte: 0
Wenger: 1
Guardiola: 415
Mourinho: 1,443
It has been mate theres a thread on it. Pretty much all of those minutes are Rashford.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/mourinho-doesnt-play-youngsters.428206/#post-20735366
Oops! My bad. True, those minutes might be Rashford .. it does blow the theory of why Martial isn't playing being somewhat down to that out of the water.
Though I know people have many other ideas. Agenda against him. Vindictive nature etc.
Well i think Martial has or did have more minutes than Rashford until recently. But until recently both were in and out of the side without getting any real run.
Playing Rashford regularly doesn't really say much about Mourinho's willingness to play young players in itself though. Shaw and Mensah are a negative in that regard.
True. But Lingard plays (I know he's a bit older, but in terms of experience he's young), Bailly also young etc. I think it comes down to who he thinks is going to put his tactics best into effect. I really don't think it's agendas at all.
Some of us need to stop the obsession with Martial playing at #9 - I don't believe he is an effective PL #9 and i am in good company with LvG and Jose clearly agreeing with me. You are negating nearly all of his major strengths by asking him to play with his back to the goal and it hasnt worked when we have tried it
I would like to see him kept out on the left but to do that he needs to start applying himself. I dont know whether it is laziness, lack of defensive instinct or lack of willing but whatever it is he needs to work on it and do what Jose asks
I would like to see him kept out on the left but to do that he needs to start applying himself. I dont know whether it is laziness, lack of defensive instinct or lack of willing but whatever it is he needs to work on it and do what Jose asks
Yeah, I agree with all of this.
He was doing very well on the left side last season when LVG changed him here to free space for Rashford up top and every one was praising him , nearly all of his good performances with us came with him on the left flank.
But then he plays bad and people need to find any excuse for his performance so invent the idea of him being a striker , Jose changed his position and Zlatan is the reason behind his horrible performances .. etc etc.
People will never fail to find excuses for Martial no matter what while his teammates are slaughtered for the slightest mistake.
The thing is, he's not a good enough left winger to make that position his own. He's only ever effective when he cuts inside, or if he has a bit of space to run at a defender.
So he's basically only ever going to play as a left sided forward, and I don't think Jose will pick a formation to suit that position.
In other words, he's fecked.
So he's basically only ever going to play as a left sided forward, and I don't think Jose will pick a formation to suit that position.
In other words, he's fecked.
Not sure if it's the right thread but his ex girlfriend has taken another dig at him. I can't upload media but she said (google translation) "You say you no longer play because of me am I'm Mourinho"
Christ, it's been like a year, she's obsessed.
"It's me Anthony, it was me all along!"
If he's still hung up on his ex at this stage and that affects his performances, then...words fail me. He must be really soft.
If this is true, he is more mentally weak than I thought. Rather than blame others he should know that he holds his talent in his hands and he should work to get back into the side and give Mourinho no choice but to play him.
At the same time, she could be spiteful about the whole situation and be making things up to sell a story or something.
But she wasn't wrong when she claimed he was trying to see Melanie and spent less time with her. As soon as they broke up, him and Melanie were living it up in Santoroni.
Why do she hate him so much ? It's not like he's first one to break his relationship with a girl before.
Basically what I'm thinking too, could be what's behind his dreadful form this season.
Oh well , I see. Can understand her situation.
Starting to sound like the Rooney situation in a sense...
I just think he needs a proper rest and pre-season behind him so he's playing at a high level both mentally and physically. I think it's hard for a majority of footballers to come in 'behind the eight ball' and play catch up and expect to put in high level performances after a grind like that (15/16 season plus euro's). It was always going to be a struggle and hopefully he will learn from the experience and kick on.
Who mentioned agendas though?
Lingard is 25 later this year and its i think his 4th season in senior football, so he's not really a youngster.
I don't think Mourinho is against playing youngsters as he does play some young players. I just don't know if he's as willing as say Van Gaal to play 4-5 18-22 year olds at the same time regularly.
In the past he always seemed to prefer older players when building squads, but i think/hope he's trying to do things a bit differently at United.
Maybe I'm wrong on that and mixing it up with the shaw thread. I thought there was talk of agendas.
How he's treated differently to others etc after bad performances.
Lingard isnt counted its only Rashford, TFM and Shaw I think..
Is anyone claiming Martial is being treated differently because of his age though?
Maybe not. Maybe I'm remembering wrong and I'm too lazy to look back.
I just feel like I've read every excuse in the book for him. "he's a number 9". "ibra doesn't pass to him "." Jose treats him differently "." he's an inside forward, not a winger". It's basically never his fault.
I think it's more likely to be his kid. Plenty of men have fought longer and harder with vindictive ex's over children than this. Unless they can be amicable he's just going to have to learn to block it out of his football because it/she isn't going away.
I don't remember him playing well at all. He played a few times and failed to live up to his reputation! He was distinctly average and got stretched by many of the PLs quicker players. He was out of his depth and it was obvious to see. He was also prone to injuries.
He played 18 times for LVG in 2 seasons in the league, that's not good enough, especially if he is his 'favourite player'.
Lingard will be 24, he was born 1993. Edit: Yeah my bad 1992
Martial is in the same boat as Shaw, except Mourinho has been more blunt about Shaw. Both need to have a better attitude towards following the manager's instructions, and perhaps show more professionalism and better focus. Their personal issues maybe need sorting out for different reasons.
Based on your words I seriously doubt you were watching UTD in previous years.
First of all LVG signed him in the summer of 2015, and he was playing him pretty regularly with BFS playing rather well until he got injured, than got suspended by FA for that incident I can't remember against whom it was.
Secondly he only had 1 season under LVG and not 2.
Unless I'm very much mistaken (read: my mind's making up memories), this isn't quite true (about the performances that is, not about his playing only one season, being injured, suspended etc. which is of course, correct). BFS was okayish, but even LvG (for whom he was apparently the favourite player) said in a press con that BFS was not offering what he should and that he was disappointed in his performances. The only things that kept fans onside were:
1. He was BFS. A true legend of the game and the fans were aching for him to do well - to the point of imagining he was doing well
2. He was not Fellaini - and that could only be a positive given how Fellaini was stinking up the joint (memories of Moyes, poor performances etc.)
All in all, I don't remember him playing very well - regularly, maybe, but not well.
He wasn't setting the world on fire ofc, but when he was just brought in and before getting injured and before he was suspended he gave us constantly solid performances.
Great job going off-topic guys.
Maybe you have read all those things mate, everybody will have their own opinion on why Martial is having a hard time right now.
The only one of those i remember saying myself is i think he is treated more harshly than some others within the squad.
Ah yeah - I wasn't saying you were. We've had a bit of back and forth here, so I know your views. And they make sense - I don't personally agree with you, but I can get where you're coming from and it's a sensible point of view. It's some of the other stuff that's just a bit bizarre at times I find. Though you could say the same for most player's threads.
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