Mourinho is ruining this player. Sad.
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Nah..... you're my special Steve
A lot of people have used that word to describe me...but not as an endearment.It's his movement off the ball or lack thereof that's the issue. As the bump pointed out, around the 73rd minute he should have offered support for Ibrahimovic. I guess he is instructed to track the full-back and it's his priority given to him by Mourinho with the result in mind, but he still needs to do more. Pogba for example was far more willing to get into good positions once he played further forward.
Yeah I agree Mourinho will not change, and from United's point of view - that is bad news imo. Considering that the game has evolved, as evidenced by the work of coaches such as Poch, Conte, Jardim etc, it's a bad idea for Jose to think he can still do the same things, and it will all work out. Even the great Federer has adapted all aspects of his game to keep competitive - even at his 'old' age. it's just the nature of things.
I'd love to be proven wrong, but I can't see how he'll work out for us here.
That's just not true.
Martial has had plenty of opportunities this season and he's been mostly awful
Mourinho is a tough manager to please but players like Martial, with their shitty 'I lose confidence too quickly' attitude aren't helping themselves. You can have a shitty match, you can feck up everything but the lack of desire, motivation and fighting should never happen, specially to a player who still has everything to prove to his manager.
I'm not having that it is only a matter of confidence, Martial is also lazy on the pitch and doesn't display half the will to help his teammates that a more limited player in Lingard does for instance.
I'm not having that it is only a matter of confidence, Martial is also lazy on the pitch and doesn't display half the will to help his teammates that a more limited player in Lingard does for instance.
His movement is the biggest weakness in his game. Doesn't run in behind enough. Would like to think we'd help him develop that side of his game instead of talking about selling him. He's insanely talented
This i do not agree with.
Oh come on..give the guy a chance...he's been here for three quarters of a season taking over a team drilled for a different type of game. He's given the squad a chance....seen what he has, how he can adapt players and has probably learnt so much of what he has and what he has to do. What he has to do has probably surprised him, but at least let's give him more time.
I agree, but its not like we've overworked him this season. He's had a lot of space and time on the touchlines.
Fair enough. Like I said, I don't have any concrete evidence only the gut feeling. Time will tell.
Not sure how you come to that conclusion, it seems to me Jose has given him plenty of chances and he just hasn't taken them, he needs to look at himself.
I think Jose Mourinho 's training sessions are not educating the players and there is a lack of clean plan about what to do with the ball , so young players are confused and martial is a victim of that.
Yes, I agree. As usual the reactions in this sub forum are over the top and reactionary, but he doesn't help himself either. I think he needs to give Mourinho more to work with, while Mourinho has to find a way to help him appropriately.
I'm not saying get rid of him. Of course he will have a second season.
But having watched him at other clubs, and now seeing the same approach here, I don't have the confidence that he is willing to adapt and evolve - hence my lack of confidence.
Of course we will see next season.
Mou wants players who'll run through brick walls, not like cuddly Wan Mata with his softy hugs and portable petting zoos, dammit! I remember a time when Robbo had both arms blown off at Anfield, and he still finished the handshake!!!! Bloody modern football...half-and-half selfies...sponsored hairstyles etc etc. Oh bum, I'm in the wrong thread.
He's a real worry at the minute.
Needs to add some off the ball runs to his game so that he isn't dependent on dribbling through a player or two. The lad has talent but every player has days the dribbles and skills don't come off and they have to rely on movement, positioning and game awareness to make an impact. Martial has some truly enviable high end skills but doesn't seem to have the bread and butter side of the game locked down.
Needs to add some off the ball runs to his game so that he isn't dependent on dribbling through a player or two. The lad has talent but every player has days the dribbles and skills don't come off and they have to rely on movement, positioning and game awareness to make an impact. Martial has some truly enviable high end skills but doesn't seem to have the bread and butter side of the game locked down.
I agree. It's funny, when Jose was first hired, there was a post on reddit? from a United fan, explaining why he felt Mourinho's methods weren't conducive to the development of both Martial and Rash. He wasn't being critical, the main thrust of his argument was exactly what you've said.
Think martial and Shaw aren't mourinho players, probably a mutual feeling and can see both going in the summer.
Wish the club wouldn't allow it, but of course they'll just do what the manager wants (sigh).
Hardly. He given more chances to Lingard and Rashford. Martial hardly gets any starts any more. Just cameos off the bench. Martial is our best avenue to goals. Lingard is not. We need Martial in form. Don't think Mourinho is the man to do it. He seems to prefer the likes of Young, Fellaini and Lingard.
He needs to watch a few videos of Ronaldo sprinting like a man possessed just to catch up with play on a counter attack. Desire, passion, determination. I don't see it in Martial.
When Our philosophy changed under mourinho from lvg i feared this would happen because martial strenghts are different to what mourinho needs.
Its the same like hazard and pedro case, Lvg found his strenghts but Martial is having tough time to adapt right now.
I strongly feel its time to put martial in a strikers position in a 4312with zlatan , not even a lwf role in a 433 because we have tried that too, then only martial is gonna shine because his strenghts will be more suited to that role in our philosophy under mourinho.
Its the same like hazard and pedro case, Lvg found his strenghts but Martial is having tough time to adapt right now.
I strongly feel its time to put martial in a strikers position in a 4312with zlatan , not even a lwf role in a 433 because we have tried that too, then only martial is gonna shine because his strenghts will be more suited to that role in our philosophy under mourinho.
Why is he awful? He wasn't last year. Because he was playing regularly. He is a player that needs a run of games. I'm pretty sure he scored a brace a few months ago then got dropped. JM has no allowed him to build his confidence at all. He won't improve with cameos off the bench.
He won't improve in this current system. Where Ibrahimovic causes everything to break down. We need to invest in a better centre forward who can make runs in behind. Which would free players like Martial.
Team goals at the moment incredibly low: Ibrahimovic is one of the main reasons, bar his goals he's awful. His link-play is terrible. He doesn't compliment anyone around him. His lack of pace suffocates the entire team.
I wish he would just smile so all of the armchair psychologists can give it a rest. Other than that, it's a frustrating situation. He's a lot better than on current showing, but I don't think Mourinho has made it easy for him. Tough love, I hear ya, but I think we'd be better off by starting him week in, week out and playing him into form. 25 minutes in an away game, in a team that struggles in attack, isn't really conducive to getting the best out of him.
We've got a superstar in Martial. An absolute gem. People would do well to remember that, because if we were ever stupid enough to let him go, he'll sharp show us up.
We've got a superstar in Martial. An absolute gem. People would do well to remember that, because if we were ever stupid enough to let him go, he'll sharp show us up.
Terrible attitude and a poor performance.
He has played more than enough games to be played into form, he's just been shite. We are in the crunch period of the season, when we've struggled to kill games off already, we can't afford to be nursing players that aren't up for it.
Rashford on the other hand is adapting well and learning and putting in an real effort, like all english players like to do is just run so it helps him a lot
Martial may be confused because when he runs midfeilders like fellani and sometimes pogba too ignore his runs and pass back wards and when he does not the midfeilders who take too much time on the ball just pass to him and he's found is a set defense.
Martial has had plenty of chances, and this Martial is the dogs bollocks, & Lingard is garbage stuff is just boring now, Lingard has contributed plenty imo and deserves his playing time atm, Martial is the better player for sure, but is simply not doing enough right now.
Is selling a solution? Or playing rashford every game is a solution?
He hasn't had a run of games in the slightest. I can't be bothered to find them, but I'm pretty sure @Damien has statistics that show exactly how little regularity he has had. I don't think he's started three consecutive matches since September. It was only a few weeks back he looked like coming into some form, yet now we're back to square one. Everything I've ever seen from Martial suggests he's up for it. He doesn't sprint around like a madman, nor does he show a great deal of expression, but he showed more than enough balls last season to know he's made of the right stuff. If we play him we'll be better for it. This applies to all of our better players, something you can't seem to get your head around.
Rashford has been far better. Also no, if he isn't up for it, he can wait until next season to play himself into form, whatever that means. Same stuff use to get thrown around about Nani under SAF. Turns out it was never actually SAF's fault and Nani didn't need to "play himself into form".
Lost his mojo it looks like, patience and hard work - just relax. He'll get it back.
We should play martial as a striker in a 2 man attack he's good in the box he is hardly getting in the box right now.
I've been a harsh Ibra critic, but this is a bit out of order. His hold up play is very good and he very often finds a teammate with a crucial pass. He provided the assist for Rashford last weekend, he nearly did the same again today but Pogba did not finish it. And he is our best goalscorer hands sown
His lack of pace can be frustrating, but that's part and parcel of a 35yo, 6ft 4" forward. It's his missed chances that frustrate me personally. Or the fact that Mou never subs him no matter how the game is going, but that's not his fault at all.
Back on topic, Martial's confidence does indeed seem very low. His performances are not very good at all at the moment though it's obvious to me, based on what I've seen in the past, that he's a good player. The problem is that because he doesn't really fight for the ball like Rashford does, when he's having a bad game like today he really does just suck, there's nothing really redeeming.
At this stage, I just hope he miraculously gets some lucky breaks that will bring some confidence and desire to his play but Mourinho does not seem to have faith in him to play him through his bad patch.
We should just ease his pain and put martial where his strenghts lie if we are to finish in top 4 and win uel.
Mourinho's use of hazard and Pedro as compared to conte's use of them is the same reason martial and shaw is struggling too
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