@SteveW having, arguably, an even bigger stinker than Martial here.
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Rashford.
Wouldn't say he's had a good season either, besides looking bright tonight.
What you're forgetting is that it's both their second seasons. Historically a lot of players struggle in their second seasons. Give it time.
I could blame it on Mourinho if it wasn't for the fact Martial worries me in same areas as he looked suspect under Deschamps and van Gaal. One trick. Little effort. No drive at all. He played enough minutes this season to impress a bit. Which tactic compliments him? He didn't show enough to convince me he's good enough to start as a lone striker for United or France. And back in '15 I hoped he would be at this level by now.
I still have high hopes for Martial and I believe he has it all to be absolutely world class, among the very top. I just hope he learns from this season and understands he has to put 110% every second he's on the pitch.
I still have high hopes for Martial and I believe he has it all to be absolutely world class, among the very top. I just hope he learns from this season and understands he has to put 110% every second he's on the pitch.
It's everyone except Martial's fault. This same rubbish use to get said about Nani too. Fact of the matter is all managers have their favourites, Valencia was woeful SAF's last season but Nani still couldn't get a look in.
Martial doesn't need to get played through his dire form (which has been a cause of concern since even before the Euros), what he needs is to get his shite together. We are in the crunch period of the season, we don't have the freedom to babysit players who aren't up for it through games, every point counts.
Martial doesn't need to get played through his dire form (which has been a cause of concern since even before the Euros), what he needs is to get his shite together. We are in the crunch period of the season, we don't have the freedom to babysit players who aren't up for it through games, every point counts.
Yeah, I'm hoping I'm proven wrong on this gut feeling. I really want the pair to succeed under Jose.
This, sadly.
If we sell Martial, I don't want him going to another PL club - send him off to Europe. I have no doubts in my mind that if someone like Pochettino gets a hold of him, he'd be devastating.
Correct. I admit I've been a bit of a twat in the last few minutes. Name calling isn't ever necessary. Sometimes it's hard to have the patience to go through posts and pick out the nonsense and you end up just mouthing off. Guilty as charged.
Yup .. but apparently it's not playing him every week that's the problem here.
Had a mare, just couldn't do anything against their RB.
Couldn't agree more with this. He looks like he has the weight of the world on his shoulders and isnt enjoying it at the minute. Look at the difference between him and Lingard (body language wise). A player not enjoying playing/playing in fear is not nice to watch. Martial has too options, retreat into his shell and look for a move away (which is highly likely) or stick two fingers up at Mourinho and go out and do what everyone knows he is capable of.
He has been harshly treated all things considered but its entirely up to him to rectify it.
Maybe. Not the only one to be fair
Does feel like some genuinely believe that.
A lot of young players suffer a dip in their 2nd season and he's had well documented personal difficulties too, so it's maybe not a surprise he's struggled this season.
He's been poor though, really poor and he has to take the majority of the blame for that. He was dreadful tonight, he can have no complaints when he's on the bench on Sunday.
He was totally useless, people keep picking on Lingard but based on this season he's the better player. After his first season he does deserve another season to sort himself out.
Gone are the days where players are responsible for their own form I guess. I guess Lingard etc. are potential world beaters being held back by Jose too.
He was poor but the lethargic , non caring attitude he put on tonight was more baffling.
Jose needs his inside forwards and attackers to be mobile off the ball, constantly pressing the opposition and tracking back in defense. Martial, on paper, does one thing better than both Rashford and Lingard which is beat players with the ball. Today he didn't do that either.
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Not to wade back in here because I agree with everyone that said he was bad tonight. But where us this whole "couldn't be arsed" stuff coming from? Seemed fairly involved. Just didn't happen for him I thought
But people wanting him sold are just as ridiculous. Just write this season off as a bad second season which a lot of young players have.
If he plays like this next season then yeah we should think about selling him.
He needs a break from football.
If he plays like this next season then yeah we should think about selling him.
He needs a break from football.
The state of this thread.
I agree with this. Definitely shouldn't be sold. Has the talent. Hopefully he'll come back stronger.
Agree with you Steve.
I remember Jose bringing him on in one game. I think he started the match. And throughout the match Jose was shouting at Martial to attack, push forward, etc. He wasn't telling Martial to back/side pass or to hold possession, like LVG might've.
The truth is that Martial just hasn't been good this season and you can't blame the manager, when that manager is desperate for Martial to attack the opponent, which is exactly what we all want him to do.
I don't think that would help him..
Seriously though, I don't think that he would be this bad if he was so isolated from the first XI. He just looked like he had lost every shred of confidence and a big part of gaining that comes from playing. He needs to fecking play more, but its a shame we are in the business end of the season and Lingard will need to start ahead of him.
Thank you Bojan.
If we got that little Mbpape (can't spell his name), and he goes through a frustrating period, you'd have some wanting him out.
I've had my identity stolen, chief.Agree with you Steve.
I don't actually remember Martial being afraid to 'push forward' during LVG's tenure. The fact Jose is telling him this seems to indicate that the lad has lost his confidence, more than anything else.
He's 20.
The last 20 months have been a whirlwind for him. Making a big transfer. Being the main focus of the attack in his first season at the club. Then being in the squad and reaching the Euros for France. Lack of break during pre season. Not forgetting the shit going on with his personal life.
I don't think Mourinho is about to change at age 54. It's something we have to accept. He's even more idiosyncratic than some of his players.
He won't see a reason to change either, his approach has worked (in terms of results) wherever he's been. The fact that some players have done very well for another team, in another setting, does not exactly prove him wrong either. Because neither Lukaku, nor KDB, nor Mata for example have so far won anything of note, have they? While he won the title at Chelsea with his preferred players Costa and Oscar.
He places a lot of emphasis on mental strength, work-rate, bravery, winning mentality and so on. I think he's made his mind up (for me) that Martial is lacking on those departments and like you said he's not the patient kind of manager who will work with the player on that.
I think Martial, from his side, has also made his mind up that Mou is not the manager for him. He liked the confidence LVG showed in him and so probably they will both be happy to see each other's back. This is not me being a body language expert or anything, just a gut feeling I have from all that's transpired.
If he had half of Rashfords intensity, he'd be a star for us. He looks so lazy and lethargic.
He looks shot at the moment. Looks lost, lacking confidence. Not sure why...perhaps personal...perhaps not seeing eye to eye with the manager? Whatever...he needs time out. Whether this means loaning him out, or just taking the summer to recoup I don't know. I'm not convinced that Jose likes him to be honest.....for whatever reason but tonight he looked like a guy who didn't want to be there.
Martial has plenty of fan boys. They care more about Martial than they do about MUFC...which says it all.
The "it is not Martial's fault, that he is playing badly" is ridiculous.
In ALL sport, when a sports person under performs, it is all down to him/her. You don't ever blame coaches/managers.
And btw, Martial is now 21 years of age. At this age, he should already show signs that he can be relied upon, to work alongside the main attacker (in our case, Ibra).
Rashford is the only player who gets a "let off", due to his young age.
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