Has to start simple as that. Extremely talented who can make things happen. Can have a bad game for 80 mins but then out of nowhere can create or score. Put it this way. If you were a RB who would you rather be facing? Martial, Rooney, Lingard or Rashford
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He was always going to become good though and still he has not been as good as last season imo yet.Maybe : last season was so forgettable and I slept though so many of our games!
Regardless he's doing great in LWF and Mourinho also knows how to develop such a player
Also Giggs said they saw him as LWF more so than a no 9.
Yeah lads, sure, but IS HE SHRINKING?
I mean, that would be a bit of a worry. Beyond a certain point, and I'm going to peg that at about 5 feet, it becomes a problem.
I mean, that would be a bit of a worry. Beyond a certain point, and I'm going to peg that at about 5 feet, it becomes a problem.
I reckon if you combined him and Mata's floating movement in behind you'd have the best player ever
I think it is the Ibra effect. Not that I'm actually arguing about whether or not he's shrinking but that Ibra makes mere mortals look small. Tony looks a solid six foot in the flesh and is also as strong as an ox. He beasted one of the Watford players with his shoulder last weekend and the thump was audible in the stands. I was also quite impressed with the way he sparked yer man out last night, with nothing more than a gentle waft of his forearm.
So, you're not arguing about it, you accept that in your professional medical opinion, he is probably shrinking. feckadoodledo.
He's not shrinking. The rest of the universe is just getting taller.
Let's just say I can't rule it out.
No he wouldn't. There is sooo much to his game that he would need to be much better at. He can't dribble, pass, shoot, or cross like any of the best players in the world so that is hyperbole to the extreme.
That is even more alarming if true. I am going with the Martial shrinking theory.
Mind you I reckon Rashford has grown since last season which must be gutting for Martial.
Size.
His passing is ace. But yeah definitely not best player in the world material just yet, still have a couple of years before we should expect that. Best 21 year old on the planet, couldn't give a feck about what anyone keeps saying about these flavour of the month youngsters, very, very few are close to Martial.
Martial is a special talent but people are getting ahead of themselves. He's probably not even the best French prospect in his position let alone in the world.
Sky is the limit for the kid but suggesting very few are close to him isn't correct. Dybala, Mbappe, Dembele etc. just to name a few many would argue are already superior.
Yet he's the one with a golden boy and a season where he was man United main attacking threat scoring 17 at 19/20 year old.
Martial has a rough second season suddenly we start forgetting his talents.
Pretty much.
Dele Alli is 20. say what you want but he is bloody effective in the premier league and consistent. Dybala is the same age as Kane and is in his 6th season
. Martial is in the youth category as he only turned 21 recently so I would put him in there. Could Mbappe handle the intensity of BPL as well as Martial can?I recall an interview with him a while back where he mentioned he liked playing #9 because it meant less tracking back, I think Jose has knocked that on the head and he's going to be focused on playing as a LWF where he can use his full array of talents.
Dembele and Mbappe have a lot to prove yet and no they aren't superior to Martial you could argue they're close but superior no, Martial was top scorer for a struggling 5th place team (17 goals and 11 assists) and won the golden boy award. I think people have forgotten just how good he is. He also plays in a much harder league than those two in arguably better teams. When they reach 21 we can compare them with how Martial was.
Dybala is 2 years older playing in a much better team yet is struggling without Pogba this season, he's the better player now but let's see where Martial's at in two seasons time.
And how is suggesting that not many are close to him incorrect you only named 3 players, isn't that a few?
On the other hand both Mbappe and Dembele are playing well in Champions League. Swings and roundabouts. Id say Dembele and Martial are on the same level atm. Mbappe a bit behind them.
Dybala will soon be 24, Martial just turned 21. Dembele looks special but I won't say he's better than Martial atm. It's too soon to say about Mbappe. And saying very few his age are close to him is indeed correct. You were only able to mention 3 players. Unless you want to start including players approaching their mid twenties.
Dybala turns 24 only a month before Martial turns 22 in fairness but still 2 years is a lot in football.
Martial too has performed well in the Champions League though, that's how people began to notice him. I'm reserving my judgement on Mbappe for now as he plays in a team perfect for him, Dembele is close to Martial I agree, 5 goals in 30 appearances is hardly stellar though.
Nonsense. Only Messi and Neymar dribble better than him, he's good at everything else.
But hes not really a goalscorer so the stat comparison doesn't make sense.
Is he really? There are a lot of good players out there, born 95-96. Just off the top of my head - André Silva, Dele Alli, Julian Weigl, Kingsley Coman, Julian Brandt, Kelechi Iheanacho, Leroy Sané. It's hard to say who's better. Martial has probably the best potential but he still has a bit to improve.
Would like to add that I think that Rashford can be even better than Martial when he's the same age. Looks like he understands the game a lot better despite being younger. My opinion.
Mbappe has barely played in the CL so far (25 minutes total over three games)
Now every Monaco player is the best youngster in the world. That Mbappe guy has 28 apps in his senior career(and majority of those are just cameos) and suddenly he is in the same class as or even superior to Martial who already has one excellent season where he was Manchester United's best player, one decent season at Monaco, and by the looks of it he'll have another good half of the season. But somehow guy who barely has 10 full apps is already good as him.
Pretty sure Rashford has more experience than Mbappe, and didn't show any less than him.
That Mbappe guy has 28 apps in his senior career(and majority of those are just cameos) and suddenly he is in the same class as or even superior to Martial who already has one excellent season where he was Manchester United's best player, one decent season at Monaco, and by the looks of it he'll have another good half of the season. But somehow guy who barely has 10 full apps is already good as him.Pretty sure Rashford has more experience than Mbappe, and didn't show any less than him.
No doubt in my mind that Martial is better than all of them, Alli is absolutely brilliant and he's one of the very few better than Martial, and even that's debatable.
Massively disagree about Rashford but I won't derail this thread anymore.
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Everyone seems to be a Mbappe and Dembele expert in this thread. Ive personally never seen Mbappe live apart from the highlight reels.
You forgot Hazard.
Really? how curious. Well there is an easy way to determine who's the best dribbler as it is a metric that is recorded. Lets see..............based on last year (Martial's most effective), here are the dribbling stats.
Martial completed 84 dribbles with a success rate of 46.15% not bad
Hazard who was shit last year, completed 89 dribbles at 61.81% success rate.
Messi completed 117 dribbles at 61.58 success rate
Neymar completed 143 at 57.89% success rate.
Sanchez completed 101 dribbles at 61.21 % success
Memphis complete 28 dribbles at 47.46%
2015 Robben completed 94 dribbles at 67.63%
You get my drift??? Martial is not even in the top 20, if I scoured all the leagues pal
EDIT : I would say Ben Arfa is also a better dribbler
I agree with the sentiment that his movement is quite lacking. He always seems to wait for the ball to come into his feet, rather than making a run in behind the defence. Then again, IIRC Neville said that this type of runs, between the fullback and center back, are really difficult to master and that Ronaldos ability to perform them, at a really young age, is why he was so impressed with him, when he first came to United.
I thought this was his best game this season even though he didn't score or assist. Hopefully he keeps going like this.
Not many of those things are that useful bits of info. how fast someone dribbles is irrelevent. Jay Jay Ococha was the king of dribbling and he wasn't the fastest dribbler. How skillful it is is pointless as the aim is to beat your man. Kaka didn't do tricks but was a far better dribbler than Martial as Kaka would weave through teams. I admit the length of the dribble, difficulty and usefulness is important. The thing is that most the players I listed are attacking players so they are going to be receiving the ball in similar positions, doing similar things with their dribbles, attacking similar congested areas. Its not like they are just dribbling round in circles at the centre line.
Look, stats will never give the full story, but you nor I have time to watch every single player in every single match so it can give us an indication of activity. I hate when people say stats don't matter. We know Robben is an insane dribbler, far, far better than Martial and it is reinforced by his dribbling stats as he is far more successful. I know Neymar is a superior dribbler to Martial and again, 'tis backed up by his dribbling stats.
seing as Martial pretty much dribbles down the left flank and on the byline, I know how long his dribbles normally last approximately. I also know how useful they are. he is very good dribbling inside the box and on the byeline. He usually beats one man and occasionally 2, but rarely goes on these long mazy dances like Robben. Martial is more a man you give the ball to feet near the box so he can cause havoc, bar that time against west ham, when he did carry it from far. He isn't the guy you give the ball in your own half and he is going to race you down to the other end of the pitch.
Fact is there are far better dribblers. Martial isn't even the best French dribbling wide player. I would say Payet is superior, to name one.
I'm not saying stats don't matter. I'm saying some stats convey very little useful information, and 'completed dribbles' is one of the worst. To say that because you've listed a set of attacking players, all their dribbles are going to offer basically the same challenge is ridiculous. The challenge of any given dribble can be completely different, regardless of where it goes from and to, based simply on what the defender standing in front of you trying to stop you chooses to do. We've all seen dribbles where the pacy player pretty much just has to put his head down and run and the opponent shits the bed, never manages to put a proper tackle in and the dribble hardly demonstrated the player's skill at all. Or there are dribbles where, yes, the attacker beats a number of opponents in a tight space, but with a big slice of luck because defenders managed to put feet to the ball but it bounces kindly and the attacker manages to ride the rebounds and break through. Then you've got moments of insane skill where the defender is cleanly wrong-footed, never gets near the ball and ends up on his arse. It might just be one man, and a gain of five yards, but it still displays more ability than lots of longer runs. Even the 'percentage completed' element is limited. If you skin four guys and the fifth just nicks the ball before you can cross/pass/shoot, is that less skilful than a simple kick-and-rush past one guy which ends with you crossing the ball?
You might as well judge a pianist's skill by how many pieces of music he has attempted, and what percentage he managed to play all the way through. Tells you next to nothing about how well he plays.
Indeed, yet over the whole season and over 100 dribbles, one would expect the whole range of scenarios to have occured. Not as if the player is going to just bumble his way through on 80 occasions is he? Or is he just going to walk through "non tackles" 100 times right? over a season, a dribbler will encounter every dribbling situation and Martials isn't going to be any different to the next mans. If he is completing less dribbles and a lower success rate, why is that I must ask? over the 80 attempts, is he just unlucky? why is it that the worlds established dribblers as we know them, seem to have more success? is it because they are simply better at running with the ball at their feet maybe?
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