Have a feeling he will start tonight and Jose just winding people up
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They are driven by the fact hes being constantly asked, driven by the fact there have been stories in the press about him leaving (his agent) and about him being unhappy/disgruntled (again probably his agent)
Mourinho has no problem not answering a question if he doesn't want to.
Is there a chance that Martial has asked for a big pay rise and Mourinho is trying to get him to justify it?
Mkhitaryan should start but not at the expense of Martial, they can both start, one on each side. That would be our strongest set up. Martial hasn't been at his best so far this season but I think a big reason to that is that he hasn't had a consistent run in the team. There has been times when he has put in a really good performance to then be dropped the very next game. I don't think things like that will be helping his confidence at all.
Exactly.
Loan to Sevilla, Unhappy with Mou, Dropped from Stoke - sent to Paris etc. There is a different story being leaked by his agent every week which draws attention to Martial starting spot/performances and then Mourinho has to comment. It puts pressure on everyone involved.
Pretty underhanded by the agent considering Martial has hardly shown up this season.
I find it odd that Mourinho has said Mkhitaryan starts ahead of Martial when the former doesn't operate on the left flank.
What? His agent hasn't leaked anything since the Sevilla stuff at the end of December - which is something the agent directly commented on. Martial took some time out to go to France and Mourinho said he had no problem with that and that if De Gea was rested he could go to Spain too. Martial turned up at training on time despite the media saying he hadn't. Was the media who made the mountain of a molehill out of him going to France.
There were stories about Mkhi before he got his chance but, he never bothered to comment about it in the way he is about Martial. If he chooses, he can simply not say anything so there is some motivation on his part to make them beyond because he is being asked constantly or there are stories in the press.
Are you serious?
He certainly did comment on Mhiki. He said Mhiki had to work harder and perform better to get his chance. There was uproar on here as well.
Difference is Mhikis agent and Mhiki himself came out and said the same (that he had to work hard and make sure he takes his chance when he gets it)
Now whether u agree with Mourinhos approach is another thing. But to suggest he treated the 2 differently is a joke.
I don't remember the ins and outs of all the stories but they all originated with the leak about Martial wanting a Sevilla loan deal because he's unhappy. The attentions been on him ever since and his relationship with Mourinho.
He can thank his agent for any subsequent made up stories and the added pressure that comes with that.
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Mourinho on Mkhitaryan when he wasn't playing:
Mourinho on Mkhitaryan after his performance vs West Ham (2 assists):
If anyone wants to compare the comments, feel free.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/jose-mourinho-reveals-henrikh-mkhitaryan-9092759
"One thing is fit and not injured, another is match fitness, match intensity and ready to play this game," Mourinho told BT Sport.
"I play with Lingard and Martial, I have on the bench Rashford and Memphis Depay, I cannot play with everyone at the same time.
"Micky hasn’t played in a long time, this team is a good team with a good intensity."
"One thing is fit and not injured, another is match fitness, match intensity and ready to play this game," Mourinho told BT Sport.
"I play with Lingard and Martial, I have on the bench Rashford and Memphis Depay, I cannot play with everyone at the same time.
"Micky hasn’t played in a long time, this team is a good team with a good intensity."
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...-Henrikh-Mkhitaryan-and-his-availability.aspx
"I think Micki will work here for sure," he said.
"I don't like to speak about players from other clubs because I don't want to be misinterpreted, but I don't think he'll mind. A player who had a problem to play when he first arrived was Willian. He went through a process and then, after a few months, he became a top player. Then, when we won the championship, he was phenomenal and still is. That is just an example.
"Similarly, Di Maria had to learn a lot about his game when he came into Madrid from Portugal. Sometimes this is what happens. It happens with defenders, but it is often easier for them to adapt than attackers. Some go straight to success and others it takes more time.
"In Micki's case the process was interrupted by injury, which does not help the process of evolution. Being out for a month meant he has had to go through the process of getting match-fit, then once he has that he needs the competitive level to do it. We believe him and, sooner or later, there will be no problem."
"I think Micki will work here for sure," he said.
"I don't like to speak about players from other clubs because I don't want to be misinterpreted, but I don't think he'll mind. A player who had a problem to play when he first arrived was Willian. He went through a process and then, after a few months, he became a top player. Then, when we won the championship, he was phenomenal and still is. That is just an example.
"Similarly, Di Maria had to learn a lot about his game when he came into Madrid from Portugal. Sometimes this is what happens. It happens with defenders, but it is often easier for them to adapt than attackers. Some go straight to success and others it takes more time.
"In Micki's case the process was interrupted by injury, which does not help the process of evolution. Being out for a month meant he has had to go through the process of getting match-fit, then once he has that he needs the competitive level to do it. We believe him and, sooner or later, there will be no problem."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-boss-jose-mourinho-9307047
“I told him this [Arsenal] was not the game for you," said Mourinho.
"I don't think he needs 10 or 20 minutes from the bench. [I said] I think you need a good game and you need to either start or if not to come for the second half.
“He needs less pressure and better conditions for him to express his qualities.”
United host Feyenoord on Thursday in the Europa League, and Mourinho has declared that the Armenian is set to see action.
"I told him that he is going to be involved in the game," Mourinho said.
"He is trying. He is not happy but he is transforming his frustration in a good way, which is to close the mouth and work hard and try to adapt."
“I told him this [Arsenal] was not the game for you," said Mourinho.
"I don't think he needs 10 or 20 minutes from the bench. [I said] I think you need a good game and you need to either start or if not to come for the second half.
“He needs less pressure and better conditions for him to express his qualities.”
United host Feyenoord on Thursday in the Europa League, and Mourinho has declared that the Armenian is set to see action.
"I told him that he is going to be involved in the game," Mourinho said.
"He is trying. He is not happy but he is transforming his frustration in a good way, which is to close the mouth and work hard and try to adapt."
Mourinho on Mkhitaryan after his performance vs West Ham (2 assists):
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...an-secret-location-manchester-united-west-ham
“I’m so happy with his performance today because it was against a Premier League team with Premier League qualities and characteristics,” said the United manager. “Against Feyenoord we could think, ‘Okay, it’s a different profile of football but today against a typical Premier League team, ‘Micky’ could perform this way.
“We are really happy. We know the reason we bought him and were waiting for his reputation. It looks like it’s coming.”
“I’m so happy with his performance today because it was against a Premier League team with Premier League qualities and characteristics,” said the United manager. “Against Feyenoord we could think, ‘Okay, it’s a different profile of football but today against a typical Premier League team, ‘Micky’ could perform this way.
“We are really happy. We know the reason we bought him and were waiting for his reputation. It looks like it’s coming.”
If anyone wants to compare the comments, feel free.
He is making running out of excuses for repeatedly dropping Martial now.
And Fergie hated that about Ronaldo too, he didn't track back enough; but in Ronny's defense (pun intended) he went by defenders like they were standing still and improved game after game. The same cannot (yet) be said of Martial and his defensive performances have been only marginally better than Depay. All that said, the rteason he did not impress Jose enough was the fact he gace up easy possession in good positions during the first 25 minutes on Sunday. That's not the "Magnificent" Jose was looking for!
I don't know about "should or shouldn't be"; the reality is that the two are fighting it out to be first on the team sheet in any position. And, until Ibra finally says he can't move anymore the CF place will not be on offer.
Different players require different approaches. Perhaps he thought Mkhi needed building up, while Martial needs to be brought down a peg or two?
You can't just apply a "one size fits all" pyschology. All we know for a fact is that Mkhi arrived with a reputation for having brittle self-belief while Martial's agent started to sound out other clubs as soon as his client realised he wasn't a guaranteed starter. You can join the dots, surely?
Mourinho has crossed the line for me now, think he has lost the plot
He's a grown man and saying pathetic childish comments like Martials performance was good enough to make the bench?
He's a grown man and saying pathetic childish comments like Martials performance was good enough to make the bench?
When was this?
Isn't that a contradiction? The issue is all about who deserves a place in the team? If one player had in fact performed head & shoulders above another (when vying for one position), then Jose would rotate-in, only to rest the first choice player. No?
But that's just it; Martial has been arguably only marginally better than anyone else and some could easily say Rashford has grown more than Martial. Rashford doesn't seem to have the same "entitlement attitude" that we see in Martial. Maybe because we didn't pay millions for him but maybe because he's more willing to learn?
If you mean why give Lingard a go, I hear you. He is imho a clear third choice behind the other two. That said, Jose usually gives Lingard RW opportunities rather than left. But as for recent performances I've been equally impressed (and disappointed) in both Martial & Rashford.
Rashford to start today and he will be looking to be "Magnificent" today ... if he is, Martial will perhaps sit out next game too. If not, then Martial will get another shot and Rashford will sit. Simple as.
Pre match press conference for this game. I'm not joking, he said Martials performance was good enough to get a place on the bench but not to start
Let us not forget that Mikhi played few games in pre-season, than he got only a minute and a half in super cup. After which he was a silent observer in the next 3 games, only getting last 15 minutes against Hull.
He nailed them 15 minutes, completely changing the game for us. For the better ofc.
After which he gets injured during national football pause and then getting thrown in for the Citeh derby even tho he was still raw from injury.
And than getting stuck in limbo.
I wouldn't say that was necessarily what you'd call a great man management.
Also it was expected from Mikhi to go public and say the usual diplomatic stuff like "it was me blablabla…etc" rader than saying "Mourinho's a cnut" that would end his UTD career abruptly.
He nailed them 15 minutes, completely changing the game for us. For the better ofc.
After which he gets injured during national football pause and then getting thrown in for the Citeh derby even tho he was still raw from injury.
And than getting stuck in limbo.
I wouldn't say that was necessarily what you'd call a great man management.
Also it was expected from Mikhi to go public and say the usual diplomatic stuff like "it was me blablabla…etc" rader than saying "Mourinho's a cnut" that would end his UTD career abruptly.
"entitlement attitude"
That's a good one.
In terms of marginally better, doubt it, especially not considering goals and assists. From the Middlesbrough match and onwards, he's overall been one of our better players, just not "magnificent" enough
Honestly if that's true, I don't want him at United. It's a piss poor attitude.
Its justified imo, Mourinho treating him with no respect
You're the worst fan I've ever seen.
I don't even bother taking anything he says seriously anymore. He's either very young, a WUM or just completely clueless.
Mourinho has manoeuvered himself in a great position. Martial comes on in the second half and scores; woah look at his great mind games paying off. Told you disbelievers!
Martial plays crap; not Mourinho's psycho mindgames' fault. He simply does not have the mentality and that was why he benched him in the first place. Our Ghosé is da man.
Martial plays crap; not Mourinho's psycho mindgames' fault. He simply does not have the mentality and that was why he benched him in the first place. Our Ghosé is da man.
Drop Rashford, fans kick off
Drop Miki, fans kick off
Drop Martial, fans kick off
Great being a manager.
I'll continue to support my teams manager, I can guarantee you he knows what he's doing much more than us lot. I fully back Jose.
Drop Miki, fans kick off
Drop Martial, fans kick off
Great being a manager.
I'll continue to support my teams manager, I can guarantee you he knows what he's doing much more than us lot. I fully back Jose.
We're still in the phase where the manager is semi-deified by a plurality of supporters, so there isn't much maneuvering required. Just use whatever excuse you want and most people will buy it as gospel. I agree with you though.
Mourinho has pandered to the fans by treating Rashford better than Martial because we love locals so much. Despite Martial being better and the fans loving him. SAD
Mou needs a slap in the face for not starting him.
Said it earlier in the week. I don't like the approach Jose is taking with Martial, and I have a horrible feeling it's not going to end well. Either way we need someone else to play on the left in summer.
Makes no sense to stay Rashford over him on the left wing. Mourinho's again making the same mistakes that are obvious to everyone except him like he did earlier in the season with Mkhi and playing Fellaini over Carrick. These mistakes have cost us already.
Yep. If he scores or plays well we'll see some shit spouted in here. It couldn't possibly be because, shock horror, our Ghosé boy made a stupid mistake by not playing a valuable footballer from the start? I actually posted a Martial vs Liverpool all touches video a few days ago showing how he's definitely not been worse than Mkhi and actually created a great scoring chance whenever he wasn't swarmed by 3 scousers on the ball.
Everyone lapping up how 'bad' or 'average' he's apparently been during Mourinho's honeymoon period here.
We'll see people roaring in here about Mourinho's mind games paying off if he does well if/when he's subbed on and crying about Martial proving Mourinho right for benching him if he plays crap.
Criminal. Two assists he got the other day. Two.
It wasn't magnificent enough. Need him to give away a penalty when he gets subbed on today, then MAYBE mou will finally start to see what a hidden gem he is and start praising him in press conferences.
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