[Footyislife]

Yep, I'm sure a manager who has won everything there is to win, multiple times and with multiple different clubs doesn't possess the football knowledge to answer the question of someone who isn't even involved in the sport.

You lot are all whining for no reason, if Martial isn't working hard enough he doesn't deserve to play, simple as. Jose expects more from him knowing how talented he is and if Martial doesn't provide it he doesn't have a divine right to play. Despite being immensely talented, e isn't Lionel Messi, he can be replaced. Lingard and what not might not be as talented, but they work their bollocks off and when things aren't going your way (which they aren't at the moment given our drop in form) those are the kind of players you want around and on the pitch, not immensely talented players who walk around looking like they are sulking.

Martial is my favourite player at the club but people genuinely calling for Jose's head over this scenario need to get their heads checked, this guy has managed much bigger egos and players than Martial. Zlatan fecking Ibrahmovic has nothing but respect for the man, that's all there is to say about the influence he has on his players, whether or not Martial wants to buy into his ideals is completely up to him.

There is absolutely no reason Jose wouldn't take a liking to Martial, he doesn't have some hidden agenda to get him out of the club, he himself spoke multiple times about how good he was for us last season, only reasonable explanation could be Martial isn't showing enough effort behind the scenes and if that's the case he will never hit the heights we all imagine he will anyway.

No manager will leave a player as talented as Martial out of the team if he was giving 100% effort, especially not one as experienced as Jose. I genuinely believe this whole saga is Jose pushing Martial to start pushing himself, it's either earn your stripes and prove to everyone how strong your character is or feck off imo.

I agree Mourinho knows more than we do. But your comment is just stupid. I didn't say let's fire Mourinho, just that he's wrong in his treatment of Martial based on the reasons Mourinho gave. If Stephan Hawking told you gravity didn't exist and that you'd be fine jumping off a tall building, would you believe him?

Here's what we know of Mourinho
1. Mourinho is an expert at making stupid decisions because of his giant ego.
2. He has a track record of pissing off key players at Real Madrid and Chelsea. Causing him to lose the dressing room and subsequently his job.
3. He has a stellar record of letting talented young players leave.
4. We sitting 6th in the league after having spent the most in the transfer window.
5. Statistically, Martial is superior on LW compared to Rashford, Lingard, and Mkhi. Mkhi is close though, but should be starting on the RW every game.
6. Mourinho ends up sprouting nonsense to the media quite often to suit his needs.

The conclusion I derive from this is that Martial probably did something insignificant to piss of Mourinho, who's making a big deal out of it. He's hoping it will light a fire underneath the player and show everyone who's the boss. Stupid decision when you are struggling to score and he's statistically our best option on the LW.

 

[Womp]

I agree Mourinho knows more than we do. But your comment is just stupid. I didn't say let's fire Mourinho, just that he's wrong in his treatment of Martial based on the reasons Mourinho gave. If Stephan Hawking told you gravity didn't exist and that you'd be fine jumping off a tall building, would you believe him?

Here's what we know of Mourinho
1. Mourinho is an expert at making stupid decisions because of his giant ego.
2. He has a track record of pissing off key players at Real Madrid and Chelsea. Causing him to lose the dressing room and subsequently his job.
3. He has a stellar record of letting talented young players leave.
4. We sitting 6th in the league after having spent the most in the transfer window.
5. Statistically, Martial is superior on LW compared to Rashford, Lingard, and Mkhi. Mkhi is close though, but should be starting on the RW every game.
6. Mourinho ends up sprouting nonsense to the media quite often to suit his needs.

The conclusion I derive from this is that Martial probably did something insignificant to piss of Mourinho, who's making a big deal out of it. He's hoping it will light a fire underneath the player and show everyone who's the boss. Stupid decision when you are struggling to score and he's statistically our best option on the LW.

Not even going to bother replying to that, you've spouted so much rubbish in that post it's unbelievable.

 

[top1whoisman]

 

[Janson]

I'm still hoping he will show Mourinho what he is made of. Having Shaw behind him should help as well. Shaw hasn't played for a while though and has to earn his place back too.

 

[Rozay]

Hope I'm missing something behind the scenes here, because on the surface of it, Martial has been singled out all season for, in my opinion, not even being terrible. Y a long stretch. He's been good, and could maybe be rest if allowed to build up some momentum and confidence. Others get away with sub par performances. Martial is chastised if he doesn't win the game against Liverpool.

That said, I trust Mourinho. As he says, 'the best suits are the ones made to measure', and perhaps he's trying to break Martial and make him into one of his trusted men.

What I will say is I'll be gutted if he was sold. We won't get better.

 

[King.of.Red]

Hope I'm missing something behind the scenes here, because on the surface of it, Martial has been singled out all season for, in my opinion, not even being terrible. Y a long stretch. He's been good, and could maybe be rest if allowed to build up some momentum and confidence. Others get away with sub par performances. Martial is chastised if he doesn't win the game against Liverpool.

That said, I trust Mourinho. As he says, 'the best suits are the ones made to measure', and perhaps he's trying to break Martial and make him into one of his trusted men.

What I will say is I'll be gutted if he was sold. We won't get better.

nah, we wont sell him except he asks to leave himself and I hope it wont happen.
just because martial, some fans look like lose their trust to Jose. it's like he is a CR7 or Messi. so funny.
let's see the next match against wigan, can Martial show to us his best after this situation. c'mon Martial! you can do it!

 

[Cantona_Forever]

Just imagine Martial coming up under the tutelage of SAF. If only I suppose.

Sure.. let's imagine that. Imagine Martial plays for an elite manager who wouldn't yield to agent pressure (Pogba/Raiola) even when he himself had promised he had to play that youth, or an elite manager who cold-bloodily sold an important player because he put dirty laundry out to media (Stam and his infamous book), or sold a top 3 ballon d'or player because he thought he's already a star and celebrity (Beckham).
Imagine that..

Your rosy imaginary situation doesn't stand to scrutiny IMO. It's more likely SAF will do to Martial similar to what Mourinho is doing rather than the other way around.

 

[Litch]

Said it before, for me an example of too much too soon. Young lad comes to the club from relative obscurity and after a good season decides that he deserves the recognition the next. Thinks he should stroll into his international team, ditches his young wife and child for model girlfriend. To me he appears to be a bit of a sulker and it started his discontent from quite early on this season through his representatives when he was starting. Sorry Tony but you still have lots to prove before you have an status in the club and one good first season in a piss poor team isn't it.

This is going to end badly as I haven't seen anything to suggest a positive reaction from Tony. You think he's turned a corner only to be missing for 2/3 games again. You can have all the potential in the world but it means jack shit if there is no application of it. This is a well trodden path and if he thinks it hard this season, wait till next cause I can guarantee they'll be more forward players coming to the club in the summer.

If he's not careful, he might be part of the deal to get them here....

 

[Terminator]

This is going to end badly as I haven't seen anything to suggest a positive reaction from Tony. You think he's turned a corner only to be missing for 2/3 games again. You can have all the potential in the world but it means jack shit if there is no application of it. This is a well trodden path......

He hasnt gone missing recently and has still been benched. One of our better players against Liverpool and he got taken off at the 60th min so that Rooney can play on the left wing.. Basically killed our attack from the left wing.

 

[Cantona_Forever]

He hasnt gone missing recently and has still been benched. One of our better players against Liverpool and he got taken off at the 60th min so that Rooney can play on the left wing.. Basically killed our attack from the left wing.

Hate to waste my 5 posts credit like this.. sigh.. but you need to re-watch the match. Without Rooney, without Ibra goal. Simple as that.

 

[Litch]

He hasnt gone missing recently and has still been benched. One of our better players against Liverpool and he got taken off at the 60th min so that Rooney can play on the left wing.. Basically killed our attack from the left wing.

I don't think he was. Couple of flashes of brilliance in the first 15mins then absolutely nothing. Look who he was up against a young lad? Tony doesn't do enough in the game for me and if he had Lingards attitude and workrate, he'd be right up there with the best in the world.

 

[RedPnutz]

No doubt he's a trier. However Lingard's best is not good enough for what we want to achieve. Mourinho said Martial's attitude isn't an issue.

I hope it's a case of Mourinho knowing how good Martial can be. Wants him to be at his best because if he is at his best Lingard would be in the stands or at home.

I think Mourinho knows, that's why he expects more than what is currently displayed.

 

[RedPnutz]

Martial has to be magnificent, while Pogba can be lazy, arrogant and poor? Makes sense!

Martial has Mhiki, Rashford, Young, Rooney, Lingard snapping at his heels. Pogba has?

 

[Maradona10]

Its tough love from mou and it has worked with mikhi, seems like will work for shaw and now its upto Martial. I hope Martial can see this too and be the player he can be.

 

[Wumminator]

Sure.. let's imagine that. Imagine Martial plays for an elite manager who wouldn't yield to agent pressure (Pogba/Raiola) even when he himself had promised he had to play that youth, or an elite manager who cold-bloodily sold an important player because he put dirty laundry out to media (Stam and his infamous book), or sold a top 3 ballon d'or player because he thought he's already a star and celebrity (Beckham).
Imagine that..

Your rosy imaginary situation doesn't stand to scrutiny IMO. It's more likely SAF will do to Martial similar to what Mourinho is doing rather than the other way around.

fecking hell.

Ferguson was the best manager ever at developing and sustaining player levels.

Let's not pretend Mourinho is anywhere near him when it comes to developing players.

 

[Cantona_Forever]

Let's not pretend Mourinho is anywhere near him when it comes to developing players.

If there's one pretension in this thread, it comes from one camp that seems to think Martial has work ethics AND problem-free behavior of Ronaldo.

 

[Champagne Football]

If Fergie got his hands on a talent like Martial then he'd be pretty certain he could develop him into the new Henry over time with plenty of poor performances along the way until he realized his potential....Mourinho seems set in his ways that he absolutely needs a Drogba/Ibra/Costa aggressive type character up front to achieve what he needs to achieve and you'd have to think that Martial just doesn't fit into that striker box that Mourinho demands despite being an insanely gifted striker....another De Bruyne/Lukaku scenario could well be on the cards with this one but at least this time Utd should get insane money for Martial along with a very doable buy-back clause

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Hate to waste my 5 posts credit like this.. sigh.. but you need to re-watch the match. Without Rooney, without Ibra goal. Simple as that.

The piece of play from Rooney leading up to the equalizer has conveniently been wiped from the memory of most posters on here tbf.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Said it before, for me an example of too much too soon. Young lad comes to the club from relative obscurity and after a good season decides that he deserves the recognition the next. Thinks he should stroll into his international team, ditches his young wife and child for model girlfriend. To me he appears to be a bit of a sulker and it started his discontent from quite early on this season through his representatives when he was starting. Sorry Tony but you still have lots to prove before you have an status in the club and one good first season in a piss poor team isn't it.

This is going to end badly as I haven't seen anything to suggest a positive reaction from Tony. You think he's turned a corner only to be missing for 2/3 games again. You can have all the potential in the world but it means jack shit if there is no application of it. This is a well trodden path and if he thinks it hard this season, wait till next cause I can guarantee they'll be more forward players coming to the club in the summer.

If he's not careful, he might be part of the deal to get them here....

It's hard to argue with this post. Martial can be anything he wants to be but seemed to really go into sulk mode during the Euros, had all that shit with his wife & hasn't been the same Martial since.

He's so talented that he will still have the occasional cracking game but something has quite clearly not been right all season with him because Martial in top form would be a guaranteed starter.

 

[Wade3]

I see so many here complaining that Martial has not performed well enough, yet people constantly complain about Rashford and Lingard. Has he not been better than them? I'd argue that in recent games, he clearly has been. Meanwhile, somebody like Pogba gets a free pass. Look at it from standpoint and you can actually understand Martial's frustration.
Being hard on a player is one thing, but you also have to treat them fairly. That hasn't been the case with Martial.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

I see so many here complaining that Martial has not performed well enough, yet people constantly complain about Rashford and Lingard. Has he not been better than them? I'd argue that in recent games, he clearly has been. Meanwhile, somebody like Pogba gets a free pass. Look at it from standpoint and you can actually understand Martial's frustration.
Being hard on a player is one thing, but you also have to treat them fairly. That hasn't been the case with Martial.

I don't think Pogba gets a "free pass" at all. He's had a smal handful of meh games and a couple of shockers but has been sensational in plenty and very good in plenty of others. Even in a meh game the other night he still got on the scoresheet which ended up being a very important goal.

Neither Rashford or Lingard have played all that much from the start of games either so I don't get your point there @Wade3

I actualy think that Rashford has of late outperformed Martial fwiw and if both were on the bench and we were 1 down with 20 to go, I'd have more faith in Rashford doing something. That's how far Martial has slipped for me these past months.

 

[Fracture90]

What are you on about? I don't agree with what is happening with Martial and I actually think he's been one of our most dangerous players when he's been on the pitch but too say we should let Jose go before we let Martial go is just crazy talk.

If you go back and read your transcription with that other dude and than my reply to you it becomes self-explanatory really.

 

[Fracture90]

If Fergie got his hands on a talent like Martial then he'd be pretty certain he could develop him into the new Henry over time with plenty of poor performances along the way until he realized his potential....Mourinho seems set in his ways that he absolutely needs a Drogba/Ibra/Costa aggressive type character up front to achieve what he needs to achieve and you'd have to think that Martial just doesn't fit into that striker box that Mourinho demands despite being an insanely gifted striker....another De Bruyne/Lukaku scenario could well be on the cards with this one but at least this time Utd should get insane money for Martial along with a very doable buy-back clause

Considering the money we had to splash to get him there's only a selected few of the teams that can afford him and they don't do buyback clauses when buying, only when selling.

 

[Terminator]

Hate to waste my 5 posts credit like this.. sigh.. but you need to re-watch the match. Without Rooney, without Ibra goal. Simple as that.

You need to rewatch it again. Not the highlights but the actual game. Rooney was poor excluding that one cross. Even when he was one on one with a defender, he turned back and passed it to a player multiple times. Infuriating to watch.

 

[Terminator]

I don't think he was. Couple of flashes of brilliance in the first 15mins then absolutely nothing. Look who he was up against a young lad? Tony doesn't do enough in the game for me and if he had Lingards attitude and workrate, he'd be right up there with the best in the world.

He was constantly double/triple marked but he never stopped trying. Looked like the only United player who could acutally dribble and cause them problems. Shocking that he is the only one in the team who can run at defenders with pace and skill.

 

[El Jefe]

Sure.. let's imagine that. Imagine Martial plays for an elite manager who wouldn't yield to agent pressure (Pogba/Raiola) even when he himself had promised he had to play that youth, or an elite manager who cold-bloodily sold an important player because he put dirty laundry out to media (Stam and his infamous book), or sold a top 3 ballon d'or player because he thought he's already a star and celebrity (Beckham).
Imagine that..

Your rosy imaginary situation doesn't stand to scrutiny IMO. It's more likely SAF will do to Martial similar to what Mourinho is doing rather than the other way around.

What the heck does Stam and Becks' situation have to do with Martial?

SAF knew how to handle youngsters that's the key. As some have mentioned, its almost as if Martial has been picked on, thus leading to the series of events which have followed. First off Fergie would never ever strip off Martial of his number 9 shirt after being the best outfield player the previous season.

Fergie treated Rooney and Ronaldo differently from other players when they were younger. He handled them with care something Mourinho doesn't seem to be doing with Martial. Rafael at 19 got sent off against Bayern and ended up causing us a place in the CL semi-final but after the match SAF praised him in saying he "dominated Ribery". Under Mourinho, Rafa would have been punished for that, I mean look at how he treated Shaw after the Watford match.

I might be wrong but if your trying to say SAF and Mourinho handle young players similarly, you couldn't be further away from the truth.

 

[Womp]

What the heck does Stam and Becks' situation have to do with Martial?

SAF knew how to handle youngsters that's the key. As some have mentioned, its almost as if Martial has been picked on, thus leading to the series of events which have followed. First off Fergie would never ever strip off Martial of his number 9 shirt after being the best outfield player the previous season.

Fergie treated Rooney and Ronaldo differently from other players when they were younger. He handled them with care something Mourinho doesn't seem to be doing with Martial. Rafael at 19 got sent off against Bayern and ended up causing us a place in the CL semi-final but after the match SAF praised him in saying he "dominated Ribery". Under Mourinho, Rafa would have been punished for that, I mean look at how he treated Shaw after the Watford match.

I might be wrong but if your trying to say SAF and Mourinho handle young players similarly, you couldn't be further away from the truth.

SAF has also singled out Nani, claiming he is some sort of Messiah for youth development is wrong.

He's been hit and miss with young talent just as Jose has, Pogba, Beckham etc. are all examples of that.

 

[Slavkov]

What the heck does Stam and Becks' situation have to do with Martial?

SAF knew how to handle youngsters that's the key. As some have mentioned, its almost as if Martial has been picked on, thus leading to the series of events which have followed. First off Fergie would never ever strip off Martial of his number 9 shirt after being the best outfield player the previous season.

Fergie treated Rooney and Ronaldo differently from other players when they were younger. He handled them with care something Mourinho doesn't seem to be doing with Martial. Rafael at 19 got sent off against Bayern and ended up causing us a place in the CL semi-final but after the match SAF praised him in saying he "dominated Ribery". Under Mourinho, Rafa would have been punished for that, I mean look at how he treated Shaw after the Watford match.

I might be wrong but if your trying to say SAF and Mourinho handle young players similarly, you couldn't be further away from the truth.

Excuse me but he said that what rafael did was stupid and was because of immaturity...So what you are saying is little bit far-fetched...He said multiple times that Rafael had to change his mentality and work-ethic.
Martial is probably the best talent we have in our team but you cannot keep the club hostage because of one player. That is the similarity. Sir Alex has said that 10000 times and it was written in his books as well. If Tony starts producing and changes his mentality he will be our best player for years to come. But he has to change in order to do that. For me at the moment he is nothing other than a great talent. There have been a lot of talents in the last 30 years of me watching United that did not produce anything and everything depends on work ethic and mentality. Sir Alex used to go to Giggsy's place in his early years to see what he is doing, what he is eating, and so on, he was like a policeman and nurtured those boys. Imagine if Jose does that know. It will be like a criminal offence. Times have changed and in my opinion one can do nothing about it. Either the player understands that and works hard to become the next Ronaldo or he ends up being the next Ravel, Adnan, Federico, Rafael, and so on...As I have previously mentioned on this forum I am firmly behind our manager because I am certain that he will do whatever is best for the club. Manchester United is not Martial (basically he has done almost nothing for our club but scoring a couple of vital goals- that's it), we let go of Ince, Kanchelskis, Stam, Becks, Rvn and ended up being a stronger team after that. As bad as these situations are, it is only natural that they would happen as some young players earning millions of pounds find it difficult to concentrate on their foorball, follow the wrong advice, and so on. If Martial is not following his managers instructions, if he does not work hard in training and if he does not try to improve all the time, he has no regular place in the team, as simple as that...

 

[El Jefe]

SAF has also singled out Nani, claiming he is some sort of Messiah for youth development is wrong.

He's been hit and miss with young talent just as Jose has, Pogba, Beckham etc. are all examples of that.

Nani was criticised when he was no longer a young player. Another person mentioning Beckham despite SAF developing him into one of the deadliest players in the game. Again the falling out happened when Beckham was a mature player.

I'll give you the Pogba one, he certainly dropped the ball there.

My point isn't SAF being a Messiah for youth development its that he handled youth far better than Jose has and would probably handle Martial better. Its simple really.

 

[Slavkov]

Jose was as clear as he could be. If Martial performs well tomorrow he would start the next game. As simple as that. He cannot run away from his words. If Martial starts performing week in and week out from now on, follows his manager's instructions, he would definitely be in the team...

 

[SteveW]

Not even going to bother replying to that, you've spouted so much rubbish in that post it's unbelievable.

There was at least some truth in everything he said though

 

[Litch]

He was constantly double/triple marked but he never stopped trying. Looked like the only United player who could acutally dribble and cause them problems. Shocking that he is the only one in the team who can run at defenders with pace and skill.

Come on, it's no surprise he was going to be tightly marked and whilst I understand that, we aren't just talking about the Liverpool game. We are all second guessing what's going on but we know something isn't right. There are a few in the team with questions marks over their head. I feel Tony is one but there are others. Shaw for me is the other along with Smalling. I honestly believe unless they do not have a better second half of the season. These players have potentially but consistently aren't not showing it

 

[royboy16]

If he gave the so called pep talk last month it obviously hasnt worked since he's been dropped since.

 

[Fracture90]

Jose was as clear as he could be. If Martial performs well tomorrow he would start the next game. As simple as that. He cannot run away from his words. If Martial starts performing week in and week out from now on, follows his manager's instructions, he would definitely be in the team...

He said if he is "magnificent" against Wigan.

 

[Damien]

If he gave the so called pep talk last month it obviously hasnt worked since he's been dropped since.

I think its definitely worked. No coincidence he's doubled the number of 90 minute games he's played in the first five months of the season (both against Fenerbahce in late October and beginning of November) to four with 90 minutes against Middlesbrough (best player) and Reading (one of the best players). Yeah he's still been dropped but can't say his performances have been dogshit since the pep talk.

Games since the supposed pep talk:
31/12: Middlesbrough (H) - 90', 1 goal, best player
02/01: West Ham (A) - dropped to bench, unused sub
07/01: Reading (H) - 90', 1 goal, one of best players
10/01: Hull City (H) - 31' off the bench
15/01: Liverpool (H) - 65', started and subbed
21/01: Stoke City (A) - dropped from squad
26/01: Hull City (A) - dropped from squad

Yeah he's played less than 50% of the minutes he could but don't think you can blame his performances for it. I just think Mourinho doesn't trust him in away games for whatever reason.

 

[El Jefe]

Excuse me but he said that what rafael did was stupid and was because of immaturity...So what you are saying is little bit far-fetched...He said multiple times that Rafael had to change his mentality and work-ethic.
Martial is probably the best talent we have in our team but you cannot keep the club hostage because of one player. That is the similarity. Sir Alex has said that 10000 times and it was written in his books as well. If Tony starts producing and changes his mentality he will be our best player for years to come. But he has to change in order to do that. For me at the moment he is nothing other than a great talent. There have been a lot of talents in the last 30 years of me watching United that did not produce anything and everything depends on work ethic and mentality. Sir Alex used to go to Giggsy's place in his early years to see what he is doing, what he is eating, and so on, he was like a policeman and nurtured those boys. Imagine if Jose does that know. It will be like a criminal offence. Times have changed and in my opinion one can do nothing about it. Either the player understands that and works hard to become the next Ronaldo or he ends up being the next Ravel, Adnan, Federico, Rafael, and so on...As I have previously mentioned on this forum I am firmly behind our manager because I am certain that he will do whatever is best for the club. Manchester United is not Martial (basically he has done almost nothing for our club but scoring a couple of vital goals- that's it), we let go of Ince, Kanchelskis, Stam, Becks, Rvn and ended up being a stronger team after that. As bad as these situations are, it is only natural that they would happen as some young players earning millions of pounds find it difficult to concentrate on their foorball, follow the wrong advice, and so on. If Martial is not following his managers instructions, if he does not work hard in training and if he does not try to improve all the time, he has no regular place in the team, as simple as that...

I agree with a lot of what you've said but there's no evidence Martial has been slacking. From his performances he's worked very hard in his attacking and defending. How can Mourinho justify saying he doesn't deserve a place on the bench for the last two games, when his performance vs Liverpool was far better than any of our wide players have produced since?

As I've said earlier, I'm just concerned because of Mourinho's past with young players. The last thing we want is a repeat of the De Bruyne/Chelsea situation. He could have handled that way better and to me I believe he could have handled this Martial situation better. That's my main point because I'm certainly not advocating for Mourinho to bend over backwards for Martial.

 

[Slavkov]

I agree with a lot of what you've said but there's no evidence Martial has been slacking. From his performances he's worked very hard in his attacking and defending. How can Mourinho justify saying he doesn't deserve a place on the bench for the last two games, when his performance vs Liverpool was far better than any of our wide players have produced since?

As I've said earlier, I'm just concerned because of Mourinho's past with young players. The last thing we want is a repeat of the De Bruyne/Chelsea situation. He could have handled that way better and to me I believe he could have handled this Martial situation better. That's my main point because I'm certainly not advocating for Mourinho to bend over backwards for Martial.

I agree with everything you say but my point is that we basically do not know what is going on behind the scenes. In my opinion his performance against the free soups against a debutante who is their reserves 3rd choice right back was mediocre at best. The manager is doing what he thinks is right for the team. Sir Alex knew Pogba was world class and was going to be a superstar but he could not yield to his demands as that meant that the whole structure of the club would be in jeopardy. The situation here is similar. We do not know what Mourinho wants of Martial but he is clearly not doing it. Remember Henry's words about Guardiola subbing him at halftime despite the Frenchman scoring a goal because he was not playing in the zone Guardiola wanted him to play? Beating a player is a good thing but Martial has not started winning matches for us week in and week out. He has shown glimpses, he is an immense talent but that's it. If he starts performing better on constant basis he will pick himself up. Who's fault is it that the likes of Cooke, Sharpe, Thornley, Greening, Ravel, Healy, Macheda, Rafael, Anderson,etc did not turn into world class players? Is it Fergie's? I do not think so. The manager is doing the best for the club. The manager has to show his authority. He is the boss and the players have to do whatever they are asked to do. That was the mantra of Sir Alex, that is the mantra of Jose, that is the mantra of Pep and every top manager.

As far as the situation with KdB, I think it is perfectly similar to that of Pique. Pique was an immense talent but he could not play with Rio and Vida at the time and we sold him for 5 million quid only for him to become one of the best CBs in the world. What should Fergie have done in that situation? At that moment there was no place for KdB in the Chelsea's line-up.

 

[flappyjay]

I don't know who he thinks he is tbh. This club has seen players 100x better than him and none were bigger than the manager or the club. He should STFU and work hard.

He played well against Boro and Reading had a bad game against Liverpool, a game where some our seasoned pro's were atrocious for this he does not make the bench for two consecutive matches. Also how do you know if he will be our best ever or not he is 21.

 

[Slavkov]

He said if he is "magnificent" against Wigan.

I have no idea whether you are Tony's agent or not but you are talking of him as you are. You are talking of him as he is something like a mix between Ronaldo and Messi at the moment and to be honest I do not think he is.

He definitely has the talent to be a top top player. It is obvious for everybody but what has he done in those 18 months to justify that he has to be treated differently than the other players? Has he won trophies for United single-handedly, has he been our best players on a constant basis for those 18 months? You are talking as if he had been and from what I have seen he simply has not. He has shown glimpses, yes I agree with that. Last year he was probably our most dangerous player in the most toothless United I have ever seen but I stop here. Nothing more.
You have to understand that having talent does not constitute you a place in the team. He has to work, he has to follow his manager's instructions, he has to concentrate on his football. If he does that and starts performing week in and week out he would pick himself up for the team and excuse me, but trying to say that he has to play because he contributed 1 cross against a 3rd choice right back in the scousers' reserve team is simply pathetic. It is only natural that he was going to be double teamed, every good who can easily beat players is double teamed.

The difference between you and me at the moment is that I think that you want the best for Martial and I just want the best for United. If Tony starts performing and working as hard as hell if he listens to his manager and executes his orders he will definitely play. Otherwise he will be the next Anderson, Rave, etc. I would rather believe Jose's judgement on the matter than yours. No offence made but I think he can help United more than you and I just want my beloved club back at the top where we belong and Jose would rather die than fail. That is his character...

 

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I have no idea whether you are Tony's agent or not but you are talking of him as you are.

Idk if you're Mourinho's lawyer but you certainly are doing your best to shift all the blame on Martial whilst pertaining Mourinho as a saint.