Martial has been praised as the second coming since his debut. He had a phenomenal season last year. Maybe it's gone to his head? Mourinho has every right to guide a player in the right direction, both in favor of the team, but also in benefit of the player. Get your head in the game, work your butt off, and accept that you're not untouchable. I think Jose's doing the lad a favour.
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No doubt he's a trier. However Lingard's best is not good enough for what we want to achieve. Mourinho said Martial's attitude isn't an issue.
I hope it's a case of Mourinho knowing how good Martial can be. Wants him to be at his best because if he is at his best Lingard would be in the stands or at home.
I think no matter what is going on in the background needs to be put aside. Mourinho needs to be the bigger man and swallow his pride for the sake of the team. If he wants to leave in the summer or isnt happy or whatever it may be, deal with it when the season is over. Martial has to play. Martial on form is the best player in the team in my eyes.
I'm certain Martial would be higher up the pecking order if his agent hadn't been shooting his mouth off earlier in the season. That was an idiotic thing to do.
Of course he did. Cleverley, Rafael, Welbeck, Smalling and Jones played in many big games as youngsters under Fergie.
Even after bad performances these players were looked after and never treated as cold as Martial has recently. Just imagine Martial coming up under the tutelage of SAF. If only I suppose.
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Hopefully things will change at LB when Shaw is back in starting lineup. Fair enough on the rest.
He wasn't married and I really don't think that has affected him given he's moved onto someone else.
Yeah it was. Think he's stopped since the Sevilla stuff in December. I also think Mourinho prefers other players for away games. In the seven away games he's played in our record has been won 2, drawn 1, lost 4 though in one of the defeats he was a sub for the last 30 minutes and in another he was taken off injured after 40 mins. Not played in an away game since Everton at start of December.
Yeah. He could become as good as Pique, Rossi and Pogba did under Ferguson.
This is just load of nonsense. Mourinho's job is to get results and if he thinks that playing Martial hinders the team currently, he is right not to play him. He played young players at Chelsea and Real Madrid and would play them at United if he was convinced they were the best option available. Pogba is just two years older than Martial and he plays every game, it has nothing to do with Martial's age but the fact that Mourinho does not consider him good enough to start now.
We haven't built our team around youngsters for a while either, plus Martial was a £60m signing so it's not even about promoting youth but using a very expensive player.
No response yesterday so I'll ask again.
Question for all those posters that are saying if he has no right attitude he should be sold.
Would you accept us selling him to one of our league rivals?
Question for all those posters that are saying if he has no right attitude he should be sold.
Would you accept us selling him to one of our league rivals?
Those home vs away stats are interesting. Looks like a definite trend. Also shows how misleading it can be to look at results with/without individuals. The Times article talks about how much better our results are with Martial in the team without any mention of home or away.
Jose Mourinho to give Anthony Martial chance to redeem himself in FA Cup tie against Wigan
Lets trust mourinho before we hang him on his handling of martial
Yeah. Times article is on about the Premier League only as well. The other two away defeats were in the Europa League but we've sucked away in Europe for a long time. Easy to be selective with stats to suit an opinion which is why I generally prefer stats encompassing everything. So for away game stats it'd be all competitions rather than just the one they've got a favourable record in etc.
MEN also running with same story now.
Does that not mean that the majority of our squad has lost those 4 away games Too? What's it got to do with martial?
It's about patterns in team selections nothing else.
I think so too.
I'd take Mauricio Pochettino at a heartbeat, I like his demeanor, plays proper football and encourages youth and doesn't seem to have a fallout either.
If Mourinho gets influenced by the agents comment, then it's really pathetic, he should be above such pettiness. He should judge the player on his performances, not on his agent's comments. Overall, taking the whole season into account, Martial hasn't performed worse than Mkhitaryan, Lingard, Rashford and Mata, each of them has had his fair share of dip in form.
Hopefully one of Jorge Mendes/Raiola sign him as a client, as the club seem to have close ties with both. He's currently with a firm called USFA management, and is their only notable client, weird really.
So Martial has to play 'magnificently' against Wigan or he'll be dropped again?
That's some standard right there. I don't think anyone has been magnificent, in terms of consistency, throughout the whole season, although many of our players have been very good (De Gea, Valencia, Zlatan...).
Looks like Jose's expecting impossible things from him.
That's some standard right there. I don't think anyone has been magnificent, in terms of consistency, throughout the whole season, although many of our players have been very good (De Gea, Valencia, Zlatan...).
Looks like Jose's expecting impossible things from him.
Martial has to be magnificent, while Pogba can be lazy, arrogant and poor? Makes sense!
Yep, expected standard from Martial = magnificent
Expected standard from Darmian = mediocre ranging on terrible
Expected standard from Darmian = mediocre ranging on terrible
"In fact he hasn't started a game for United since September and as you've heard he's been criticized by his manager" on the Sky Sports News report right now. Clueless.
It's bizarre. Double standards to the fullest, really.
Sky Sports just saying he hasn't started since September and has scored 2 goals all season? What the feck. He has scored 6 goals and started against Liverpool.
They're trying to stir things lol. Wait for a Castles article before we panic about anything I say.
Mourinho's not saying what you all think he is saying. He'll definitely play if he puts in a magnificent performance, but Mourinho isn't necessarily saying he's definitely out of contention if he falls short of that.
You could also say its Jose needing Martial to be magnificent at this stage of the season.
So-so performances from him are no longer cutting it especially when we have Rashford, Mkhitaryan, Mata, Lingard and Rooney who can play in his position.
Who would you rather see in place of Pogba? Bastian, Fellaini or Rooney?
Mourinho is an elite manager, not a social care worker. Yes, these guys have this kind of thinking. There are players who he expect a lot from and that he will bully unless they don't give him what he wants. Ibrahimovic is a star and can do whatever he please. Same goes for Pogba. Then there are other positions where guys like Darmian gets to play even though he's absolute garbage - and that's all down to us having no options.
I think it's fair to treat Martial like a little piece of shit because he's not a star in any way at all - at least not the kind of star he think he is. Perhaps if he continues to develop and become a world class player Mourinho might start treating him with respect, but until that day he should just keep his mouth shut and accept being dragged around like he didn't matter to us.
Yes, I do not think he's been treated fairly at times. However, I do believe he's too soft to make it in the PL for real. With all that talent he should really be contributing a lot more. Hope he can take all this critics and turn into a tougher player like Ronaldo and Ronaldinho did.
Players putting in just as many so-so performances?
What about a human decency? Anyone who isn't a star doesn't deserve a respect and should be treated like shit?
It's a difficult one with martial. I'm not sure if he's trying to put pressure on martial hoping he will play like a man possessed or if he's laying the foundations to justify getting rid of him if he does land a signing like griezzman. Martial gets the same opportunities as lingard but lingard's performances and appearances don't attract the same media attention as martial and so Jose isn't forced to make such headline worthy comments as martial is getting. Martials body language to me is the same as it was last season. Only last season it's down to him being cold and calculated now he's seen as lazy and disinterested. He's only 20 lets not forget that.
And they get taken rotated out of the side too. See Mata, Mikhi, Rashford and Lingard.
Mourinho has only ever played youngsters when they are nailed on stars basically. Players like Ozil, Hazard, Robben, Varane, Di Maria etc. Most young players require nurturing to bring out their star quality. The players mentioned above are rare as they require less nurturing and even then he managed to feck it up with Robben and Hazard. Mourinho is pretty terrible with developing young players his career has proved that so far. Its all well and good saying if they're the best option now, the key is they could be the best option so its worth persisting with them which is what SAF, Klopp, Guardiola have successfully done.
What is an absolute load of nonsense is trying to compare Pogba and Martial. Pogba is a seasoned pro with considerable experience for his age while Martial is playing his 3rd full professional season. He's pretty much 3 years older btw.
Obnoxious post.
It really does seem like he's laying the foundations to get rid of him come July.
I don't know who he thinks he is tbh. This club has seen players 100x better than him and none were bigger than the manager or the club. He should STFU and work hard.
We are missing one key point in all of this. Martial played constantly last season and then went to the Euros. This rest will do him good and should he find his form he will be flying come the business end of the season.
What are you on about? I don't agree with what is happening with Martial and I actually think he's been one of our most dangerous players when he's been on the pitch but too say we should let Jose go before we let Martial go is just crazy talk.
If i were a professional footballer no matter how much criticism i would get my way from my manager i wouldn't let that affect me. Where is the determination in putting your head down and putting in performances to win back your manager's trust.
Team sport in particular is brilliant in having an opportunity to let your ability and hard work do the talking
Team sport in particular is brilliant in having an opportunity to let your ability and hard work do the talking
Didn't Hazard win PFA under Jose?
Followed by the worst season I can recall of a star player during their peak.
I don't want to seem like a Mourrinho basher because I'm actually a fan of his just that his handling of young attacking players leaves a lot to be desired. Every coach has flaws and that is certainly one of Mourinho's.
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