Angel Gomes - Will he stay or will he go? | Contract Expired 30th June and he's left the club

EngimaMK said:
Where did you get those ratings? Sounds like waffle to me. When I saw Gomes playing in the games you mentioned, there is no way he was that good. Mostly anonymous.
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You probably just expect too much from a 19 year old playing their first couple of first team games. He did best in the Astana games particularly the first where he played centrally instead of on the left
 
Hoping this is just a power play like Chong's agent dealing with Inter.

This can only end up looking bad for us really - and I don't think it would suit Gomes either.
 
I dont think Gomes staying would be wise either.
You look at his competition (especially with Fernandes now onboard) and his lack of minutes this season then,naturally, why stay?
 
FrankDrebin said:
I dont think Gomes staying would be wise either.
You look at his competition (especially with Fernandes now onboard) and his lack of minutes this season then,naturally, why stay?
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Objectively speaking, you can't make a case for him to stay. You also hear we are breaking the bank for Bellingham. He needs to leave.
 
Can't help but feel he is already gone. Bellingham rumours would make more sense.

I'm still frustrated we didn't use him more. Especially when Lingard and Periera were stinking the first team up for months.
 
Was long gone IMO, i would say as far as at the start of the season. I don't think it is a question. He took a lot of time a couple of years ago to sign a contract and i don't think that he will sign now after seeing what has happened here.

Baffling situation all around. He is much better than Lingard/Pereira/Chong and barely played. Chong was useless most of the time and got chance after chance, a bit of a joke to hold him back due to his size (i can't think of any other reason).

If i was him, i would go to the Bundesliga or Spain, but i have no doubt in my mind if he goes to a club where the manager believes in him, that he will play quite regularly and shine, small or not. You can quote me on that.

I don't think Chelsea is that bad for him, he will fit in with Hudson-Odoi. He is competing with Mount and Barkley for that more advanced central spot, and he will surpass both of them with regular game time.
 
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Judas said:
He's been underused and I was baffled all season how dross like Andreas played so much instead of him. Sort of made my peace with him going awhile back, it'll hurt as I've been watching him for so long in the youth team, and I'd be fecking furious to see him go to a rival, that would really sting and look pretty bad on the club. There's a quality player in there.
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I must admit when we didn't loan him this season i expected him to be more involved
Then again perhaps hes been gash in training?
Either way if hes a few weeks from his contract expiring and has not signed a new deal I think its most probable hes off
 
sun_tzu said:
I must admit when we didn't loan him this season i expected him to be more involved
Then again perhaps hes been gash in training?
Either way if hes a few weeks from his contract expiring and has not signed a new deal I think its most probable hes off
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He hasn't really impressed when in the first team or the U23s, let's be honest. Even when he's scored it's been negated by sloppy play and lack of application nad involvement. Some might cite age as a factor but other kids have demonstrated far more consistency.

If we get a kid like Bellingham then it will hardly be seen as a loss
 
Adisa said:
Objectively speaking, you can't make a case for him to stay. You also hear we are breaking the bank for Bellingham. He needs to leave.
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Yep and then you also potentially throw in Grealish with Pogba staying and one of Lingard and Periera going/staying.

His competition in the attacking midfield role would potentially be:
Pogba
Fernandes
Grealish
Bellingham
Lingard/Periera

Plus we dont know if Ole will favour Garner and Levitt in cup games, maybe even Mejbri will feature too.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
He hasn't really impressed when in the first team or the U23s, let's be honest. Even when he's scored it's been negated by sloppy play and lack of application nad involvement. Some might cite age as a factor but other kids have demonstrated far more consistency.

If we get a kid like Bellingham then it will hardly be seen as a loss
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Even if not we have Greenwood and williams in the first team, Garner, Chong and Mejrib coming through - Our youth set up is doing well at the moment - Bellingham looks a talent but who knows what will happen with transfers this summer?
Gomes could turn out to be one who got away but in reality Im not sure I see him getting the opportunities at United to develop - and to be honest I think the same might be true at Chelsea who seem well stacked with attacking midfield talent
Good luck to him whatever happens
 
Inigo Montoya said:
He hasn't really impressed when in the first team or the U23s, let's be honest. Even when he's scored it's been negated by sloppy play and lack of application nad involvement. Some might cite age as a factor but other kids have demonstrated far more consistency.

If we get a kid like Bellingham then it will hardly be seen as a loss
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He’s been great for the u23s, that’s nothing short of nonsense. He’s had one or two matches where he drifted but he’s had several where he’s absolutely dominated at that level. No other kids have demonstrated better consistency for the u23s as he’s been the best player 90% of the time.

You don’t score or assist every 100 minutes being not impressive.
 
limerickcitykid said:
He’s been great for the u23s, that’s nothing short of nonsense. He’s had one or two matches where he drifted but he’s had several where he’s absolutely dominated at that level. No other kids have demonstrated better consistency for the u23s as he’s been the best player 90% of the time.

You don’t score or assist every 100 minutes being not impressive.
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Ok, I should have added that it's been in the games I've seen, and I haven't watched them all.

Which then begs the question, If he's been so impressive, as you say, then why are they prepared to let him go? What's your take?
 
I dont necessarily think it's a case of United preparing to let him go.Ideally they'll be more than happy for Gomes to stay and sign on.
 
I'm still not convinced he'll make it. But as we are offering him a new contract, the coaching staff will think he'll either make it or the business side are thinking we will make money from him.
 
I think he'll sign a 2-year contract and then be loaned out next season to a lower level PL club. In 1 1/2 years he'll have a better understanding of where he stands with the club. I think he is a real talent and could be a great player.....or not. Just don't know at this point.
 
He's a very different player to Bellingham although I guess they have both been used on the left. Its Lingard, Mata and Andreas playing in his main role and not setting the world alight.

I seriously doubt he'd be upset with being a sub for Bruno Fernandes or his backup in general. I cannot imagine Chelsea would be offering him more than that same backup role but with a worse player than Bruno, like Mason Mount
 
gerdm07 said:
I think he'll sign a 2-year contract and then be loaned out next season to a lower level PL club. In 1 1/2 years he'll have a better understanding of where he stands with the club. I think he is a real talent and could be a great player.....or not. Just don't know at this point.
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Im not sure united would offer that
I mean he could have a good season on loan somewhere then sign a pre contract and leave on a free after 4 months of the next season - pretty sure United would want a longer contract
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
I really do think the club shouldn't give up on him so early and we should try to find a different way to develop him. I think the issue that holding or slowing down his development is that his height. Being only 160cm is really not suitable for PL game.

However, there is a similar player who was 165cm played in PL, Santi Cazorla. Played on left, right & also in midfield whether it's CM, AM or the double pivot. I remember, Santi started his pro career with Villarreal as LW. A season before he joined Arsenal and also when he joined Arsenal, he started played in any midfield role, and he was pretty good at Arsenal.

May be loan him out to La Liga could benefit his development.
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The club isn’t showing signs of giving up on him. They’re offering him a fortune considering he’s accomplished absolutely nothing so far! There has to be a sensible offer and the club being prepared to walk away if the figures are out of whack, I think the club has now started to look at things the right way. If he really doesn’t want to re-sign for Man Utd for that kind of money, having been with the club for as long as he has, then sod him, bye!

I suspect this is the agent forcing things, but hey, players need to learn that the agent is absolutely a reflection of them as a person.
 
Dve said:
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This is all you need to see. When a 19yr old English player with 5 premier league 1st team appearances has Pini Zahavi as an agent, you just know the whole thing is fecked up. Concentrate on learning football and the rewards will come. I think he has great potential - his size is currently limiting him but in 2-3 years he could have filled out a bit more or just become a bit stronger.

Sign contract
Get head down and be a sponge with senior players in training
Do a good job and we have shown we will always give youth a chance

Pini Zahavi! Mind blown!
 
I think he’s going to sign for Chelsea for a fair bit more money and then they will loan him out. I think that’s what he’s been crying out for at least a chance to go on loan and prove himself because he can’t get minutes here. The club doesn’t seem to be loaning many players at the minute ao angel sat for the season while this contract stuff rumbled on in the background and it’s a stalemate. He’s as good as gone unfortunately.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
Ok, I should have added that it's been in the games I've seen, and I haven't watched them all.

Which then begs the question, If he's been so impressive, as you say, then why are they prepared to let him go? What's your take?
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Because u23s isn’t the senior PL football. Ole and Butt have both mentioned his stature so that’s clearly an issue for them which obviously won’t please Angel. Angel has expressed he needs a planned pathway for first team football since he was negotiating at 16. Management publicly saying you’re too small and rarely playing you doesn’t exactly fit into a good planned pathway. Angel wants to play senior football and the club apparently think he’s too small, so their views obviously don’t match.

And they aren’t exactly prepared to let him go, that’s why they’re offering him a big contract.
 
Would be a shame if he did go. After watching him from the u18s to now the fringes of the first team, it’s clear he is a talented boy with exceptional technical quality.

But I can’t fault what Ole and the club have done with regards to promoting youth this season. He’s given players ample opportunity, we have seen Williams and Greenwood become first team regulars and am sure without the injuries that Axel would have had a lot of game time too. I don’t really know what has gone wrong, he didn’t really take his chances when he got them. That might be down to a lot of reasons but I don’t think the management think he is ready for the senior men’s game.

I would like him to stay but can see both sides of the story and the club obviously still rate him as they offered him a new contract, the club have got to back themselves to help him develop as it is pretty much what we are about. If he does leave he should go somewhere he is going to get regular game time.
 
With the rate United have been hoovering-up young talents over the past few seasons you're generally going to be in a situation where you'll win some and,unfortunately,lose some.
With Gomes likely going,Mejbri comes in.
 
FrankDrebin said:
With the rate United have been hoovering-up young talents over the past few seasons you're generally going to be in a situation where you'll win some and,unfortunately,lose some.
With Gomes likely going,Mejbri comes in.
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Yeah I think it stings more because Gomes is English for me, but if we get Bellingham, along with the kids we've got coming through already, it's not the end of the world situation, just a bit of a shame.
 
Judas said:
Yeah I think it stings more because Gomes is English for me, but if we get Bellingham, along with the kids we've got coming through already, it's not the end of the world situation, just a bit of a shame.
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He's a Londoner, want's to come home.

Nothing at all to do with the bags of cash we might throw at him and his agent.
 
duffer said:
He's a Londoner, want's to come home.

Nothing at all to do with the bags of cash we might throw at him and his agent.
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:lol: aye yeah exactly.

I'm not going to rant about agents, no point when we've clearly benefited from it before, but its irksome how these guys get in the heads of these kids. Fair play to them, securing the bag.
 
Judas said:
:lol: aye yeah exactly.

I'm not going to rant about agents, no point when we've clearly benefited from it before, but its irksome how these guys get in the heads of these kids. Fair play to them, securing the bag.
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It's a short career and he'll know exactly how much the likes of CHO earns at Chelsea.
 
I think he's overrated. I remember when our fans were getting excited because he hit the side netting against Yeovil in FA Cup, that was very strange.
 
duffer said:
It's a short career and he'll know exactly how much the likes of CHO earns at Chelsea.
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That's ridiculous considering Rashford earns more than CHO. The reason why it's not entirely comparable is because CHO has done more to imprint his name on the game compared to Gomes. While Gomes is a quality player the only aspect of Chelsea being a good move is that Lampard is better for his development than Ole.

The whole situation reminds me of Sir Alex playing an aged Scholes / Raphael over Pogba which prompted his move to Juve. It's even worse now considering how bad Lingard / Pereira have been. Can only look to blame Ole for this situation or the possibility that Gomes has been diabolical in training (doubtful).
 
If he genuinely moves to Chelsea for more playing time then I will be glad he leaves.

A playmaker who is that stupid isn't going to go far.
 
He's failed to impose himself in every game i saw him play for the under 23's. His short stature shouldn't get in the way because he should still be able to move and get away from the bigger guys in the opposition. He just never seems to assert himself in a game. In contrast Chong always showed lots of tenacity even when playing in a poor side. I know Chong has done little for the first team yet but if it has come down to mindset then I think we will be letting him go.
 
passing-wind said:
That's ridiculous considering Rashford earns more than CHO. The reason why it's not entirely comparable is because CHO has done more to imprint his name on the game compared to Gomes. While Gomes is a quality player the only aspect of Chelsea being a good move is that Lampard is better for his development than Ole.

The whole situation reminds me of Sir Alex playing an aged Scholes / Raphael over Pogba which prompted his move to Juve. It's even worse now considering how bad Lingard / Pereira have been. Can only look to blame Ole for this situation or the possibility that Gomes has been diabolical in training (doubtful).
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First, what makes Lampard better for Gomes then Ole? I just don't understand that at all. Ole has done a very good job managing the youth players by and large. He has for example, shown a lot of faith in Chong, we've seen the emergence of Williams, trust in playing Rashford and Martial in their best positions and Greenwood has been managed very well too. That isn't to mention other youth players such as Tuanzebe and Garner who seem to be there or there abouts and we'll see more in the coming years. We are also only three points behind Chelsea so whatever is perceived about Lampard being a mastermind, he hasn't taken his team so far ahead of ours.

The situation with Gomes and Pogba are very different. Gomes is frail and would never have got as many games as Pogba at that time, had we played him.

Too many people here hype up our youth players. He may become elite, he may not, but right now he is a youth player and we've done everything as a club to try and keep him. I'm not that bothered either way as a result. I won't feel any frustration with the club or management and whilst I will feel disappointed with Gomes, I won't hold a grudge and would wish him well. This is football and it happens all the time.
 
duffer said:
He's a Londoner, want's to come home.

Nothing at all to do with the bags of cash we might throw at him and his agent.
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He's been at the club since he was 6 so I doubt its that. The majority of his life he's been with United
 
Bellingham coming here would probably be on more money than him starting off. I’m reading Dortmund have offered him around 60k a week and we’ve offered less than that but have given assurances of minutes to develop and a clear pathway into the first team over the next few seasons. Given that news and the fact we’ve been playing out of form players instead of giving him a shot then I feel the writing is on the wall. He’s in that limbo stage where on getting regular first team football he could potentially be worth a lot more than the deal we are offering him or he could still fade away. If he’d been having a good loan this season I think it would have persuaded the management to offer him better terms earlier so that’s on them not sorting his future out with more urgency.
 
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