Angel Gomes - Will he stay or will he go? | Contract Expired 30th June and he's left the club

jackal&hyde said:
Because Lingard and Pereira due to their age deserved more of a chance to prove themselves and have failed rather hard at it, and have already been frozen out more or less. Angel will get plenty of games if he stays and is good enough virtually in any of the front 3 positions behind the striker. Competition should not be a worry for a player that wants to be a first team regular at a club like United; if he's good enough he will play like all the other young players we've brought through.
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They didn't, they failed hard prior to this season, at least by halfway into the season it was clear they didn't deserve more chances either.
What is clear is that Ole and the management didn't think Gomes was ready, even Chong was getting a look in
 
jackal&hyde said:
Because Lingard and Pereira due to their age deserved more of a chance to prove themselves and have failed rather hard at it, and have already been frozen out more or less. Angel will get plenty of games if he stays and is good enough virtually in any of the front 3 positions behind the striker. Competition should not be a worry for a player that wants to be a first team regular at a club like United; if he's good enough he will play like all the other young players we've brought through.
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Lingard and Pereira have been poor for a while. There's no indication that anything has changed for him. He was the one that was frozen out. From his perspective, it would make complete sense to leave.
 
Gomes, Kante, Gilmour - Jose will be having kittens.. Not one over 6 foot.
 
He'll go and good riddance to that. Probably one of the most overrated youngsters ever at the club and that's saying something. His 'performance' thread this season was ridiculous, exactly 100 pages and he barely featured in 4-5 games.
 
He's been offered loads of chances to say with extensions being offered. If he's not willing to stay then there isn't really much the club can do.

I'm excited by him and think he could be a very good player, but I don't think he can be looking for regular first team football with us yet. The ideal scenario would be for him to sign an extension then get a loan move to another PL team next year, but that seems a remote possibility too.
 
NoPace said:
But we should shift those players!
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But will you? If the rumours are true that he's been offered extensions to his deal then perhaps Gomes doesn't think you will. I'm not saying Chelsea is the best option for him at all but I understand why Lampard himself would be interested due to how highly rated he is. The best option for him would be to go to a club with little competition and work his way back up to the top.
 
Bebestation said:
Is there space at Everton at CAM & would you be happy if you got him?
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There is definitely space but I don't know much about him other than he's highly rated. I haven't seen it myself but you don't have interest from Chelsea and United wanting to keep you if you're not talented.
 
Am I missing something? Some suggesting he has done nothing when given a chance...But he hasn’t really had a chance! He might have come on in the closing minutes of games or been subbed off in the few games he started. That’s not enough to build any kind of momentum... In fact the one game I recall he started people were frustrated he was subbed off because he was the one looking most likely to create something.

There’s certainly a player in there. One I would much prefer getting game time ahead of Lingard and Pereira.

Shame if he leaves. Hoping he doesn’t.
 
I’m surprised we haven’t heard reports of Dortmund and Juventus sniffing around him on a free transfer.

I hope he stays but I’ve felt for a while now that he will be off in the summer unfortunately.
 
SilentWitness said:
I think you have far too much competition for him to stay unless you shift 2 or 3 players. With a fully fit squad you’d say that Pogba, Fernandes, Rashford and Martial are pretty much certainties to start so he’s competing for a RW spot (James, Chong and seems like you’re interested in purchasing someone else) and as backup for Rashford/Fernandes/Pogba in the LW/CAM spot.

By all means he is highly rated on here but I’ve not seen much yet at a senior level. Lampard does want to build a youthful side full with English talent though it seems so wouldn’t be surprised if that interest is true.
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Apparently so do we. So it would make little sense to let one go.

Chelsea themselves have a lot of options just like we do. And players coming back from loan in the championship

The difference would be in what he's told the plans are for his future. I've felt he should have been at least on the bench and coming on and getting involved in the first team for this entire season (whilst fit). If Chelsea want to offer him more than that, and he's given a starting spot over the likes of Barkley, Mount, Pulisic, Willian and Pedro then I could see why he want to go but that doesnt sound realistic.
 
It does seem that Solskjaer either doesn’t rate him as highly as the fans do. Like many have said, the season is one which has been riddled with injuries and pre-Bruno there wasn’t a single midfielder who was a guaranteed starter for any reason yet he’s only played 3 Europa League games and 19 PL minutes this season. In comparison Chong has played a few more games and definitely featured on the bench a lot more (different position, I know, but his situation was fairly identical — contract ending with speculation over his future).

It’s either that or the club aren’t happy with the way he and his agent have held out on a new deal, and when it became obvious he wouldn’t extend, they’ve left him out in the rain.
 
On the subject of what he has or hasnt done for the first team Brandon Williams is statistically the best player under the age of 20 in the premier league this season with a 6.72 average rating

Gomes has had 2 starts on the left in the europa league with an average rating of 6.74 and 1 start in the CAM role with a 7.05 rating. So thats a 6.84 rating in the europa league for Gomes overall.

Thats only 3 games, Williams has played a lot more. But in the small amount of chances he's been given Gomes has done well make no mistake about it.
 
It's weird to see an academy player looking at Chelsea for more first team football. United are probably the best club in England for paving a way into the first team.

However; for some reason or another he hasn't been given a proper chance this season at United given our lack of creative players. I suspect that was a combination of his contract situation and Ole not fully believing in him.

In the few opportunities he has had, I must say I have not been impressed with him, so If he cannot get ahead of Lingard, Perreira and Mata maybe he should look elsewhere.
 
Ekeke said:
On the subject of what he has or hasnt done for the first team Brandon Williams is statistically the best player under the age of 20 in the premier league this season with a 6.72 average rating

Gomes has had 2 starts on the left in the europa league with an average rating of 6.74 and 1 start in the CAM role with a 7.05 rating. So thats a 6.84 rating in the europa league for Gomes overall.

Thats only 3 games, Williams has played a lot more. But in the small amount of chances he's been given Gomes has done well make no mistake about it.
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Where did you get those ratings? Sounds like waffle to me. When I saw Gomes playing in the games you mentioned, there is no way he was that good. Mostly anonymous.
 
If he was an exceptional talent then we'd play him and convince him to stay. Given that we barely played him despite giving a load of our other youngsters a go suggests that he might not be all that.

It's hardly like we had excellent players ahead of him either, we've had to put up with Pereira and Lingard for the first half of the season and they have been terrible. He'll regret moving to Chelsea though if thats the club he decides to proceed with.
 
He'd be daft to go to Chelsea. They have the same number of players in competition for his position, but whereas three of ours are Lingard, Pereira and Mata, all likely to be shown the door or a lot less of the pitch this season or next, the corresponding spots at Chelsea are filled with their own academy products now coming into their own: Mount, Hudson-Odoi, Gilmour.

I suspect he's got the sense, rightly or wrongly, that Solskjaer has decided he doesn't have what it takes. Maybe it's a size thing. Maybe Ole feels burnt after Daehli. Otherwise if Gomes had any self-belief at all he'd surely be willing to spend at least another season trying to take some of Lingard, Pereira and Mata's game time.

He should be careful. Small, technical players like him can be brilliant if they make it at the very highest level, but struggle massively once they fall below that. There are players who seemed like they could be stars for United who end up struggling to find a place in the lower leagues.
 
MyOnlySolskjaer said:
Lingard and Pereira have been poor for a while. There's no indication that anything has changed for him. He was the one that was frozen out. From his perspective, it would make complete sense to leave.
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If that's the case then i wish him good luck. He wasn't frozen out he had a couple of fairly high earners in front that needed to justify that and they didn't. Gomes also had a few injuries this season and not signing a new contract doesn't exactly encourage management to prioritize him. It's a combination of factors imo and 8 or so games in 2/3 of a season is not a small feat. Greenwood and Brandon are exceptions to this as it's not usually normal to have a player from the u18/u23 jump straight to first team level.
 
Kostov said:
If you were Gomes, and see how Lingard and Pereira get chance after chance while you sit on the sideline, you would've been pissed too to be fair.
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It's not like he hasn't been given chances this season. He's played in the Europa league. The coaching staff see Angel day in and day out, all we see are highlight reels. If he hasnt been playing that much there's obviously a football reason why not.

If James Gardner can get the occasional gametime, Angel Gomes would too if he had performed well enough.
 
I would say that if we get Bellingham then he would move in front of him in the pecking order as well.
If we are offering him a contact and he wants to succeed at the club then he should sign it and go on loan and show the club what he is capable of in mens football.
 
I think it's safe to assume Gomes would have got more game time if he merited it this season. Ole clearly likes to blood youngsters. We all want Gomes to succeed here but the facts on the ground would suggest he hasn't been as good as we like to think. Perhaps this is one of those where he needs to go prove himself elsewhere, anywhere. If he tears the place up we can always buy him back. Won't be the first time...
 
He's been heavily underused this season considering he's peers are Sancho and Foden and his competition is Lingard and Pereira
 
Tom Cato said:
It's not like he hasn't been given chances this season. He's played in the Europa league. The coaching staff see Angel day in and day out, all we see are highlight reels. If he hasnt been playing that much there's obviously a football reason why not.

If James Gardner can get the occasional gametime, Angel Gomes would too if he had performed well enough.
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He was given minutes, and was good to average most often played out of position, he wasn't given enough minutes considering we were playing dross like Lingard who looks like a sunday league player. What football resons do this coaching staff see in Lingard and Pereira please enlighten us? They must be blind.
 
Ole hasn't given him adequate chances and what makes it worse is no one can say that Pereira or Lingard have justified the minutes they've played this season, they've been two of the worst performers in the first team. I don't think Chelsea is necessarily a good move, though side by side if Gomes played for Lampard he would perform better than under Ole from a coaching perspective.
 
If he goes, there will be trouble,
And if he stays it will be double,
So come on and let us know,
Angel will you stay or will you go?
 
He played a fair bit in preseason and did well. I don’t see why Ole would just go cold on him. I reckon that if he had shown more willingness to commit then he would have had more chances this season but this situation has been rumbling on for a while.
 
I just can't gauge how good he actually he is due to the little game time he has had.

He's only 19 so he should bide his time and try to make a breakthrough in our team, it would be a risk moving to Chelsea so early but then again he isn't playing at all at United so i can see why he would go.
 
Zlatattack said:
He's the better player. Why would ole freeze him out considering we had to play Periera and Lingard in so many games this year. If you can't get in ahead of those two you need to introspect.
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I think Gomes is a better player, just because someone doesn't play, doesn't automatically mean said player is better than another. See Chelsea letting players like De Bruyne and Salah go.

Incidentally, Gomes and Greenwood play very well together and Greenwood would have benefitted from playing with Gomes.
 
LVGSdive said:
Before this season it would have been.

If he does leave we will hugely regret this. I think he will go to the top of the game.
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No sure. most promising talents don't actually reach the expectations. The fact that Greenwood and Williams are getting 1st team games is a bonus. Then you have, McTom, Pogba, Lingard and Rashford, we are already oversubscribed with academy players (in comparision to other teams). We are doing well in that front but I don't expect many more to make the grade.
Luke1995 said:
Wonder why Greenwood got way more playing time than Angel despite being younger
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Sometimes attackers attributes make it easier for them to break through than midfielders. Midfielders tend to develop slower or require maturity. These young wonderkids who burst onto the scene tend to be attackers (strikers, wing forwards, wingers etc). Centre Midfield takes a bit of time as their role is very demanding and complex.
 
I dont think Chelsea would be the worst environment for Gomes but this is ofcourse dependant on Ambro's overal trust and confidence in Lampard's performances and whether the patience in the former Chelsea's legends youthfull approach is going to be the clubs new longterm strategy. If not then expect it to go the route of Chelsea we've come to expect under Ambro.

Sure there could be a combination of both short and longterms gain but I'm really of the opinion that if Gomes goes ,even if he opts to stay with us, he needs consistent first team football now.

Looking at Chelsea's and United's midfield options I dont see where Gomes is going to get that consistent gametime.

It would'nt surprise me,if he were to leave and in typical Chelsea fashion, if they bring him in and then loan him out.
 
He’ll get his chances next season if he stays. He’d be a fool not to look at the way Greenwood and Williams have been brought in to the team and see that he’ll get opportunities. And honestly in the minutes we’ve seen of him, he hasn’t impressed. You really have to take your chances as a young player. But he has plenty of time still.
 
M16Red said:
I think it shows that Ole and powers in the club, believe that playing for Man utd your childhood club should rule over money. I don't think its about just about game time.
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Moving to Chelsea isn't really about anything else than money. And sadly I don't see this looking like anything else then money. He doesn't have less of a competition at Chelsea even a 60m Pulisic isn't getting all that much of a game time there..
 
I haven't seen enough of him to know how good he actually is, though I do get the argument from those who rate him that he should have featured more than he has.

If he's looking for "regular first team football" though then that was always likely to be a stretch. Not something he's too likely to get at Chelsea either. Also, it's not like he's fallen foul of a Mourinhoesque manager who refuses to trust young players. The likes of Greenwood and Williams are the same age or younger than Gomes but still played more. For whatever reason, Ole just didn't seem to think he was ready for that extra game time.
 
If he leaves I'd be shocked if it's for Chelsea. Could see him moving abroad though.

I find it an odd situation but it stinks of the Pogba debacle and I believe he'll move on. He loves the club, captained every age group, Ole willing to give youth a chance except for him. Weird if you ask me. Only thing I can think of is Ole doesn't like what he sees in training.

Love to see him given a chance if the season resumes, but very doubtful he will be given chances at the 'business end' of the season when he wasn't given chances throughout the season.
 
I don't know why he's not been sent on a loan. If he believes he can make it at Chelsea then he could've been playing regular minutes for a lesser club this year.
 
Stacks said:
No sure. most promising talents don't actually reach the expectations. The fact that Greenwood and Williams are getting 1st team games is a bonus. Then you have, McTom, Pogba, Lingard and Rashford, we are already oversubscribed with academy players (in comparision to other teams). We are doing well in that front but I don't expect many more to make the grade.

Sometimes attackers attributes make it easier for them to break through than midfielders. Midfielders tend to develop slower or require maturity. These young wonderkids who burst onto the scene tend to be attackers (strikers, wing forwards, wingers etc). Centre Midfield takes a bit of time as their role is very demanding and complex.
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This sentence alone needs to be reiterated.
I think Cesc Fabregas is the one name that instantly springs to mind of a player who was consistently involved at a young age at a top club. He played way beyond his years.

Every other midfielder/n 10 have usually been eased into the sides at the top clubs.

Overall,I do think fans need to tone down their hyping of young players.
 
Nicky Butts interview two months ago gave it away. He said he would be an awesome player when he grows. You also listen to Ole's comments last year.
It's quire clear the club think he is too small.
Time will tell but I am sure we will regret this. Been with us since age 6.
 
If he's gone, he's gone. I don't necessarily think it's a tragedy for the club, moreso than it is for him, personally. He grew up here from the age of 6, and was Utd-mad. His small frame is the issue, but rightly or wrongly, he feels that it shouldn't be.

I don't think Ole has been that bad to him, either. He gave him a new number, and he has been on the bench numerous times during the season. Chong has definitely been preferred a little more, but tbh Chong also has the physical gifts which mean he can get away with more.

When he's played however, it hasn't totally come off for him. Astana at home was a ok'ish performance, but he wasn't really impacting the game. The away tie should have been his big chance to impress after being MIA for months, and he really didn't. Personally, I just find it all a little sad. Cos I really do think there's a special player there, and I don't think he'd have got as far as he has done here, at any other club in England. Chelsea would be a massive waste of a move for him. If he is to leave, then surely he needs to go to a team in Spain or Italy, or maybe even France or Holland. The English league in any team not named Utd, Arsenal or City would not be a good fit.

As it is, with the likes of Mejbri and Garner coming through, I think we have talents that are at the very least comparable to Angel in the position he likes to play, and are younger, arguably more secure long-term bets. And even if he stayed, I don't know if he'd have been here long term in any case, especially since we're heavily linked to Bellingham as well, who would be yet another player in his path. Not to mention Bruno and maybe Pogba (if he stays and signs a new deal), who aren't exactly on the cusp of retirement either.
 
I think Ole want his number 10 to be a box to box type,gomes is a bit of a luxury player to me,technically very good but a luxury player
 
jackal&hyde said:
If that's the case then i wish him good luck. He wasn't frozen out he had a couple of fairly high earners in front that needed to justify that and they didn't. Gomes also had a few injuries this season and not signing a new contract doesn't exactly encourage management to prioritize him. It's a combination of factors imo and 8 or so games in 2/3 of a season is not a small feat. Greenwood and Brandon are exceptions to this as it's not usually normal to have a player from the u18/u23 jump straight to first team level.
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If Ole really cared about that Alexis wouldn't be on loan at Inter Milan right now.

I don't think Ole looks at peoples contracts when selecting what he perceives as his best side otherwise Mata would be starting every week.
 
He's been underused and I was baffled all season how dross like Andreas played so much instead of him. Sort of made my peace with him going awhile back, it'll hurt as I've been watching him for so long in the youth team, and I'd be fecking furious to see him go to a rival, that would really sting and look pretty bad on the club. There's a quality player in there.
 
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