3-5-2 seems to be going well, lets further unbalance the squad with a £50 million addition! The more I think about this, the less it makes sense.
Angel Di Maria | £59.7M fee agreed I Maybe tomorrow...or the day after...
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
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If he had no desire to move then he wouldn't accept a contract would he?
Passion is important for sure, will make the player give more and make them more likely to stay. But you can still perform well for your club even if there are others which seem more tempting.
I agree with this. Wingers are great and fun to buy and all, but right now it seems glaringly obvious we need numbers in defense.
Still cant get behind signing him.
Hope psg get hiM.
Hope psg get hiM.
On song, this guy so good to watch its unreal. His performance in the first half against Barca (last season) which Madrid lost eventually was breathtaking.
i agree
He sanctioned a 30 mil deal for an 18 year old left back and also a release clause for an uncapped midfielder. Not trying to downplay Shaw or Herrera, they are terrific signings for us. The point I am trying to make is we have money to burn and if LVG feels that he needs the player he wouldn't be averse to splashing the cash. If he was really looking for bargains and wanted to be penny pinching he would have gone for Ben Davies and De Jong instead of Shaw and Herrera.
Normally he would love to bring in players from the youth set-up and blood them in instead of making big-money signings to rectify problems. But you have to look a the context here. The environment right now is not the best to be blooding in youngsters due to the do or die nature of this season where pressure is tremendously high. Last thing we would want to do is to damage a youngster's confidence and impeded his progress by playing him in these kind of conditions. LVG himself has alluded to the fact that he will focus on the first team now and the youth set up later. He will bring in the cream of the crop youth players but LVG knows what is at stake and he will not be averse to spending the cash if he needs the player.
We don't know his views on it. He might be happy with whatever offer Mendes got from United but we may not be willing to match the PSG offer to Madrid. The Madrid press are still describing the PSG offer as €10m loan fee, €65m transfer fee payable next summer + 5m variables. At €80m he's a shockingly expensive player, at €50m we might be back in the bidding. Less than €50m I think Madrid will let him sulk on the bench, just on principle.
We know that 4-3-3 is LVG's preferred formation but he sets his team up the way it suits his players the best. Right now we lack the personnel to play this formation and that is why he is playing 3-5-2, similar to how Strootman's injury prevented him from playing a 4-3-3. Difference is that we can do something about this lack of personnel needed to play his preferred formation unlike Netherlands where they have a limited pool of players. I would rather LVG play to his/our strengths than modify our set-up to cover up our weaknesses and lack of suitable players.
I understand we have spent considerable amount of time preparing the 3-5-2 formation but a shift to a 4-3-3 system is not that drastic and can be done. It is not ideal with the new season being near but hey if LVG can get the squad to adapt to his new formation in around 3-4 weeks, I don't see why he can't make modifications to that to get his team to play 4-3-3.
van Gaal is currently playing 3-5-2 to accommodate his best players, not because he doesn't have the personnel for 4-3-3.
He is easily worth 50 Euros.
"I don't buy players for [the sake of] buying players," he told Sky Sports. "I buy players to improve my selection. First I have to see what we need in all the positions from the system we shall play. When we play 4-3-3 I shall use more or less the same players but 4-3-3 I need more specialists on the wings and more attackers."
He added: "With this system I at least two strikers can play and at least the No. 10 can play and also the two [central] midfielders so the specialists are the wing-backs.
"I am more in favour of a 4-3-3 formation that also Sir Alex [Ferguson] has played but I think with the selection now, I have to choose this system."
So he wants to play three (I'm including Mata) up front. He's playing 52 behind them. No big leap from there to 43 with Di Maria joining the midfield three.
He's also talked on accommodating two of his four strikers, that he can't leave three strikers on the bench so he has to play with this system.
So is Titus Bramble.
Di Maria can easily slot into the midfield 3 like he did for Real alongside Modric and Alonso which means we can stick with a front three of Mata, Rooney and RVP. He can also play in the front 3(alongside Januzaj flanking Rooney or RVP) if we need more pace and directness in our game.
There is poor balance to that side.
He can play in front of a midfield two that is more defensive i.e. where Mata plays now. Di Maria is great going forward and suspect defensively, I don't particularly like him either even though he's clearly a world class player.
How about a midfield trio of Carrick, Herrera, Di Maria with Mata, Rooney and RVP up front. Mata gets to play the No 10 role with Di Maria playing as the most advanced player in the midfield. There is a lack of width which can be countered by bringing on Januzaj and another midfielder so we can play with RVP/Rooney flanked by Januzaj and Di Maria.
those deals were already done and he approved them. He rejected kroos. He will not do a madrid and spend rashly on players who are hyped up due to good WC performances. He also wont look weak in front of players, so if a player starts demanding this and that, Van gaal will walk away. Hes smart. he knows psychology matters a lot.
One of the very top players in the world, imho.
cripes is this one still not wrapped up....it's been months
http://www.abc.es/realmadrid/noticias/20140805/abci-maria-monaco-201408051453.html
Summary from BBC:
" Madrid-based Spanish daily newspaper ABC claims that Real Madrid winger Angel di Maria is being fought over by Monaco and Manchester United.
It claims that while manager Louis van Gaal is a fan of the 26-year-old Argentina international, Manchester United are yet to meet the Real's £44m asking price and Di Maria's demands of £6.3m in annual wages.
Paris St-Germain haad been thought to lead the chase for Di Maria, but are struggling to sell anyone to make room in their squad and avoid falling foul of Financial Fair Play."
It does seem a bit strange PSG haven't wrapped this one up yet, maybe there is something to this story.
Summary from BBC:
" Madrid-based Spanish daily newspaper ABC claims that Real Madrid winger Angel di Maria is being fought over by Monaco and Manchester United.
It claims that while manager Louis van Gaal is a fan of the 26-year-old Argentina international, Manchester United are yet to meet the Real's £44m asking price and Di Maria's demands of £6.3m in annual wages.
Paris St-Germain haad been thought to lead the chase for Di Maria, but are struggling to sell anyone to make room in their squad and avoid falling foul of Financial Fair Play."
It does seem a bit strange PSG haven't wrapped this one up yet, maybe there is something to this story.
PSG are obviously going to struggle unless they can offload £50m worth of players, because I don't think there's any way Real would go for a loan deal if there are other clubs willing to pay up front.
Even selling Marqinhos and Lavezzi won't bring in enough. And I can't see any clubs being interested in Cavani this summer.
Even selling Marqinhos and Lavezzi won't bring in enough. And I can't see any clubs being interested in Cavani this summer.
The fact he's a Mendes player (and there are Mendes-friendly clubs involved) makes the Spanish press more unreliable than normal - they'll print what Mendes want them to, along with any briefing from Madrid.
PSG could have sold Marquinhos to Barca but didn't. They could sell Verrati to Real Madrid but they haven't. Right now, it seems like Madrid are choosing not to make it too easy for them to dodge FFP - which could be posturing on their part to remind PSG that they are not the kings of the muppet world. In principle a big enough loan fee, followed by an obligation to buy at a large fee probably is no different cashflow-wise to the usual stage payment thing, so you'd think sooner or later a deal can be done with PSG.
I think Ancelotti is another complication, he'd rather keep Di Maria than buy Falcao. He's already got James to fit in. He's still got the Casillas issue to manage. If Perez keeps throwing complications in then even Ancelotti's seemingly endless patience may fail. Di Maria will almost certainly leave, but again, I don't think Madrid want to make it look too easy.
PSG could have sold Marquinhos to Barca but didn't. They could sell Verrati to Real Madrid but they haven't. Right now, it seems like Madrid are choosing not to make it too easy for them to dodge FFP - which could be posturing on their part to remind PSG that they are not the kings of the muppet world. In principle a big enough loan fee, followed by an obligation to buy at a large fee probably is no different cashflow-wise to the usual stage payment thing, so you'd think sooner or later a deal can be done with PSG.
I think Ancelotti is another complication, he'd rather keep Di Maria than buy Falcao. He's already got James to fit in. He's still got the Casillas issue to manage. If Perez keeps throwing complications in then even Ancelotti's seemingly endless patience may fail. Di Maria will almost certainly leave, but again, I don't think Madrid want to make it look too easy.
I have suddlen become confident that we could get him.
No idea how he would fit into the 3412 but who cares
No idea how he would fit into the 3412 but who cares
Yeah but in this current formation there are only 2 CM's with the front 3 ahead of them. He is perfect for a 4-3-3 either in midfield or one of the wingers. 5-3-2 doesn't accommodate wingers.
We basically need an injury to RVP, Rooney or Mata to enable LvG to change to a 4-3-3, as 5-3-2 is the only formation where you can play all 3 in their best positions.
Maybe he can play wingback...
If we get a player like Di Maria, LVG will most likely change to a 4-3-3... all this formation talk with regards to transfers is pointless IMO as LVG is very tactically flexible....the last regime maybe not so much
People keep saying this.If we get a player like Di Maria, LVG will most likely change to a 4-3-3... all this formation talk with regards to transfers is pointless IMO as LVG is very tactically flexible....the last regime maybe not so much
433 wont suit Rooney, RVP, and Mata. Also hasn't been worked on in friendlies.
Maybe we will transition to it next season.
If we get a player like Di Maria, LVG will most likely change to a 4-3-3... all this formation talk with regards to transfers is pointless IMO as LVG is very tactically flexible....the last regime maybe not so much
If Di Maria comes how does a 4-3-3 work though without dropping a star name?
Even LvG cannot get Mata, Rooney and RVP playing to their strengths in a 4-3-3 because it is impossible. Mata has to play as a no.10 and RVP has to play up front, and Rooney has to be in the team somewhere. That's why we are playing 3-5-2 and Di Maria would have no place in it.
Rooney will have to play as a LW/LF in a 4-3-3 because he sure isnt displacing RVP at the top, but its something he can do well and there is no reason he cant bag heaps of goals from that position.
I think we will end up playing a 4-3-3.
It is getting very tiring to read it isn't it. People just wont accept that we have 2 smilingly undropable strikers.
Yes it is.
Then again Van Gal has big balls so maybe he will just switch formation because he feels like it.
Thats the thing a lot of posters here seem to forget... LVG can change formations if he wishes, he is not tied to the 3-5-2 and I'm sure can work out another formation that can highlight the strengths of our players when the new players arrive.
Only reason I can see LVG having us play 4-3-3 this season is if he can´t get the 3-5-2 formation to work at all. But going by the preseason matches so far most of the players have looked very comfortable in their new roles and we have looked a lot better as a team. If we were to move to 4-3-3 we would not only need new wide players we would also need at least one holding midfielder . We would also have a lot of players who we would need to get rid of because they would have no roles to play.
Because we'd play a 4312 and Di Maria would be in the three. Mata's the one, behind two forwards.
Only way definitely.
surprised anyone still thinks Di Maria has any prospect of coming here. It makes the Vidal deal look certain!
Don't really want him either, as I'm intrigued how this 3-4-2-1 might work.
Don't really want him either, as I'm intrigued how this 3-4-2-1 might work.
As long as we are accommodating RvP, Rooney and Mata in the starting line-up I don't see us switching to 4-3-3 so this is unlikely to happen IMO.
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