Ange Postecoglou

There's nothing particularly hate-able about him. Just seems like the wrong man for the wrong job. Devil may care football can get you results and even a title in lower leagues but the PL is brutal. As someone said, you get found out really really fast. There's a reason dour football playing managers like Dyche, Moyes exist, and have existed.

Heck if they'd sacked Ange and got in Dyche, i would've given them more chances of going through in this one off game. Under Ange it was looking like easy money on Liverpool all the way.
 
jigen said:
Awful recruitment. They spent 65m pounds for Solanke and 50 for Brennan Johnson. This is the main problem, not Postecoglou.
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Agree the recruitment for the most part has been truly inept, how much did they spend on Richarlison? Wasnt that around 60-70mil as well? And they have spent a small fortune on promising kids. Does not mean Postecoglu is blameless, his brand of high octane football at all costs has cost them points for sure. Squad decimated by injuries, games in 4 competitions, players run off their feet, but zero change in tactics mate.

I guess to be fair he did try something a bit different here, same result, but that was always going to be the case vs the best team in the prem. I dont think Mourinho or Conte win this game either with that squad, Spurs just do not have the quality, even at full strength I'd have them losing, albeit putting up a bit more of a fight.

I think Postecoglu still has the backing of the players and backroom staff, including Mason, and fingers can be pointed at their injuries is why he is still there. And who will go to Spurs? They have had the big names Conte, Mourinho, neither of them could win anything, so who next? Mason? Who is available that would consider Spurs a good managerial option? Seems like a bit of a suicidal career move if you are just starting to make waves like say an Iraola. And they already had Nuno and turfed him as soon as Conte was available.
 
adexkola said:
We are comparing a league match and a derby where form usually goes out the window, to a do or die cup semifinal tie?

Again, I'm waiting for some insight on what about this coach rubs people the wrong way into some ridiculous takes
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"form goes out the window" is a worn out cliche. United played well on the day to earn a draw. Spurs who just needed a draw and they played utter rubbish with not even a shot on target and lucky they didn't concede more than the 4 goals.

Big Ange time as Spurs manager is coming to close results/performances speak for themselves and no need to defend him if that's what you are trying to achieve here?
 
He is genuinely the worst manager in the league. Just insanely stubborn and inflexible to the point of madness. His system sucks and he never deviates and has himself convinced everything else is to blame.

Spurs have a good squad with a lot of quality young players and he is making a complete mess of it.
 
Maluco said:
He is genuinely the worst manager in the league. Just insanely stubborn and inflexible to the point of madness. His system sucks and he never deviates and has himself convinced everything else is to blame.

Spurs have a good squad with a lot of quality young players and he is making a complete mess of it.
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A lot of resemblance to our own manager in terms of being stubborn and inflexible.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
A lot of resemblance to our own manager in terms of being stubborn and inflexible.
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At least our own manager has shown some subtle touches in big games. Isolating Trent against Liverpool and using Bruno to cause problems in between defenders, for example.

This guy has nothing subtle about him. Just gung ho for 95 minutes no matter who they play or what the in game situation is. He is not cut out for this level.
 
He just seems to be an oaf on the sidelines, I find it amusing that he is so well loved by Spurs fans, but as a neutral he gives a great interview.
 
Remember the geese said:
Hardly. Our manager can adapt his system accordingly depending on the quality of opposition.
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He is not adapting to what he has. Imo he should not force this system on these trash players(most of them are out on their way in a few months anyways) and recruit well for his system starting next summer. I’m not saying that he should give up on his style however we cant keep losing winnable games against the likes of Palace etc. we are in this free fall because the players cant do basics of his system. We are in desperate need for points.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
He is not adapting to what he has. Imo he should not force this system on these trash players(most of them are out on their way in a few months anyways) and recruit well for his system starting next summer. I’m not saying that he should give up on his style however we cant keep losing winnable games against the likes of Palace etc. we are in this free fall because the players cant do basics of his system. We are in desperate need for points.
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We really aren't in desperate need of points. We aren't getting CL or EL football without winning the Europa league, and we are comfortably clear of relegation. We're just firmly in mid table and the only difference points make is being slightly higher in mid table so we get the slightly higher prize money for standings. The league season is a write off and the club is acting like it is a write off.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
He is not adapting to what he has. Imo he should not force this system on these trash players(most of them are out on their way in a few months anyways) and recruit well for his system starting next summer. I’m not saying that he should give up on his style however we cant keep losing winnable games against the likes of Palace etc. we are in this free fall because the players cant do basics of his system. We are in desperate need for points.
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The players adapt to him. Not the other way around. I don't agree with the idea of putting a plaster on it and playing a 'temporary system' until the summer. Also, we are no more desperate for points than anyone else. We are in that boringly dull pergatory of being comfortably clear of relegation, yet too far adrift of the European spots.
 
The media and the fans love him. He's a big "loveable Australian " who speaks well and "comes off as a nice guy" mate. That's why all the anger is directed at Levy. If he had been a Turk named Belzoglou everyone in the press would be hounding him and calling for Tim Sherwood to take over.

Much like if Rashford had been an African or South American player jogging around Old Trafford on minimum wages. He wouldn't have lasted that long
 
Always wins a trophy in his second season he said. Only 2 left.
 
always_hoping said:
"form goes out the window" is a worn out cliche. United played well on the day to earn a draw. Spurs who just needed a draw and they played utter rubbish with not even a shot on target and lucky they didn't concede more than the 4 goals.

Big Ange time as Spurs manager is coming to close results/performances speak for themselves and no need to defend him if that's what you are trying to achieve here?
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I'm just flabbergasted at the disproportionate amount of vitriol he gets (not just on here). English fans love their "pragmatic" coaches, is the conclusion I'm converging towards
 
He gets mocked and he gets called out for his obvious flaws. There's very little vitriol.

The amount of fun made of him is proportionate with the over the top praise he got (from fans and media) for his first 10 games in charge.

The fact it's finally coming out that he's not that nice a guy and is quite rude with journalists also plays considering the affable "mate" image that was constructed when he first joined.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
I think a big indication of his level is that Rodgers has improved his Celtic team.
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Rodgers has a lower win percentage. Ange is just very gung ho with an ultra aggressive high line. With the injuries and who's is available?

That's why Spurs are sticking with him, very decent a chance a new manager will be even worse. Given their limited options.

The grass isn't always greener, as Utd are finding out. Sometimes better to wait until the summer when it's possible to change the squad and manager.
 
adexkola said:
I'm just flabbergasted at the disproportionate amount of vitriol he gets (not just on here). English fans love their "pragmatic" coaches.
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I think it's a combination of his arrogance and, more recently, abrasiveness, and then the fact that up until literally the last week or so, the media have been essentially ignoring how bad Spurs have been while talking up how United could end up in a relegation battle, despite being above Spurs in the league.

When he came in and they went unbeaten through the opening 10 games, beating us, drawing away at Arsenal and beating Liverpool along the way, he was basically giving "just win games, mate" interviews and making out that it was easy to get a team top of the league.

Even when they got beat 4-1 by Chelsea to end that run, there were still a lot of defenders out there because they "were still in the game" until quite late. It was largely ignored that they could have actually got something from the game, despite being down to 9 men, if he hadn't insisted on continuing with the suicidal style of football. The fact that they went on to lose three and draw one of the following four games was also brushed over, because the draw as 3-3 away to City, even though that run of games took them from 1st to 5th.

They only really had a run at top four going for them last season, as they were out of the league cup at the first hurdle, and the FA Cup at the second. They even managed to get back into the top four with seven games left, but they lost five of them, only beating Burnley and Sheffield United.

They didn't start this season anywhere near as well as they started last season, and even amidst this run of two wins and eight defeats in 12 games he's still been giving it "it'll be a special season because I always win a trophy in my second season," when they're on course for their worst league performance in 20 years.

As others have pointed out, his CV is actually diabolical when it comes to Premier League managers. He's nearly 60 and has been a manager since 1996. It's not like anything he's doing can be excused by inexperience.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
I think a big indication of his level is that Rodgers has improved his Celtic team.
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I don't think he has to be honest.

They went from 99 points and +80 goal difference with Ange down to 93 points and +65 goal difference with Brendan.
 
adexkola said:
Ah, like when they left Ryan Mason to wing it against City?
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Losing 1-0 and getting a shot on target against the eventual league winners and champions league finalists is, arguably, more impressive than losing 4-0 without a shot on target
 
Rooney in Paris said:
He gets mocked and he gets called out for his obvious flaws. There's very little vitriol.

The amount of fun made of him is proportionate with the over the top praise he got (from fans and media) for his first 10 games in charge.

The fact it's finally coming out that he's not that nice a guy and is quite rude with journalists also plays considering the affable "mate" image that was constructed when he first joined.
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This.
 
Rooney in Paris said:
What about Europe? Genuine question, I don't know.
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I think they've both struggled when they're up against better teams. Both great at flattening weaker teams, both rarely find the right set-up against higher quality.

There's an argument that Rodgers has improved his European showings this year, particularly on the back of the Leipzig win earlier in the season. That's not stood the test of time however with Leipzig stinking the place out in the CL. And perhaps there's more of a case that Celtic were fortunate with the draw this year, facing 3 of the worst teams in the 36-club competition, ranked 32nd, 35th and 36th, all at home.

The sale of Kyogo will hamper their chances further for the Bayern game, but they've got enough quality to be more competitive than what they've showed.
 
Gio said:
I think they've both struggled when they're up against better teams. Both great at flattening weaker teams, both rarely find the right set-up against higher quality.

There's an argument that Rodgers has improved his European showings this year, particularly on the back of the Leipzig win earlier in the season. That's not stood the test of time however with Leipzig stinking the place out in the CL. And perhaps there's more of a case that Celtic were fortunate with the draw this year, facing 3 of the worst teams in the 36-club competition, ranked 32nd, 35th and 36th, all at home.

The sale of Kyogo will hamper their chances further for the Bayern game, but they've got enough quality to be more competitive than what they've showed.
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Cheers!
 
Gio said:
I think they've both struggled when they're up against better teams. Both great at flattening weaker teams, both rarely find the right set-up against higher quality.

There's an argument that Rodgers has improved his European showings this year, particularly on the back of the Leipzig win earlier in the season. That's not stood the test of time however with Leipzig stinking the place out in the CL. And perhaps there's more of a case that Celtic were fortunate with the draw this year, facing 3 of the worst teams in the 36-club competition, ranked 32nd, 35th and 36th, all at home.

The sale of Kyogo will hamper their chances further for the Bayern game, but they've got enough quality to be more competitive than what they've showed.
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I think you could say Rodgers has improved them in Europe regardless. Aside from the tanking at Dortmund, they've had a pretty decent set of results this season, even including the loss at Villa.

In Ange's last season they picked up just 2 points, both draws against Shakhtar Donetsk, who weren't even playing their home games in Ukraine. They lost 8-1 across the two games against Madrid and 5-1 across the two against Leipzig.

The season before they failed to qualify for the CL after being knocked out by Midtjylland, failed to progress from their Europa League group, then lost 5-1 on aggregate in the Conference League play-off to Bodo/Glimt.
 
Alex99 said:
I think you could say Rodgers has improved them in Europe regardless. Aside from the tanking at Dortmund, they've had a pretty decent set of results this season, even including the loss at Villa.

In Ange's last season they picked up just 2 points, both draws against Shakhtar Donetsk, who weren't even playing their home games in Ukraine. They lost 8-1 across the two games against Madrid and 5-1 across the two against Leipzig.

The season before they failed to qualify for the CL after being knocked out by Midtjylland, failed to progress from their Europa League group, then lost 5-1 on aggregate in the Conference League play-off to Bodo/Glimt.
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Exactly, its all well and good dominating the Scottish league when you have a combination of the best team and a really poor league.

Everytime he was "tested" in Europe, he failed. I mean losing out to lower tier Europa league teams.

Even Gerrard who is a failed manager now, did well in Scotland.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
He is not adapting to what he has. Imo he should not force this system on these trash players(most of them are out on their way in a few months anyways) and recruit well for his system starting next summer. I’m not saying that he should give up on his style however we cant keep losing winnable games against the likes of Palace etc. we are in this free fall because the players cant do basics of his system. We are in desperate need for points.
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A number of our players just can’t do the basics, full stop, whether it’s Amorim’s system or Ten Hag’s.
 
DJ_21 said:
They won’t get to the final.
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When we got to the CL final, we were awful in the league. People seem to forget this also when referring to Pochettino, in the same way that Postecoglu is still dining out off the first 2-3 months of the job at spurs.

This is from 1st Jan 2019 (Poch, run up to the CL final).

18 games: 8 wins, 2 draws, 8 losses. 26 points. 1.44 points per game, so 54 over a season (relatively mid-table form).

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Weird how that sounds good compared to where we are now, but regardless - the CL run to the final was basically 13th Feb onwards, so during the CL run we played 12 PL games and won only 3, losing 7, gaining 11 points from 36, or 0.9 points per game (relegation form).

People bring it up alot (wheres Amadeus or whatever his name is) like Pochettino was some kind of Fergie-Pep lovechild, and that he was sacked unjustly, but the reality is that you can be awful and get to a cup final in any competition. The domestic form under Postecoglu is by no means any indication of how the Europa league will go.

I mean, our last manager to win a trophy here was arguably one of the worse we've had in the PL (Ramos), so it would be kind of ironic.
 
australians just aren’t good at sport. the sooner they realise that, the better.
 
He's gonna be sacked before Spurs play us isn't he!? New manager bounce and all :annoyed:
 
cjj said:
When we got to the CL final, we were awful in the league. People seem to forget this also when referring to Pochettino, in the same way that Postecoglu is still dining out off the first 2-3 months of the job at spurs.

This is from 1st Jan 2019 (Poch, run up to the CL final).

18 games: 8 wins, 2 draws, 8 losses. 26 points. 1.44 points per game, so 54 over a season (relatively mid-table form).

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Weird how that sounds good compared to where we are now, but regardless - the CL run to the final was basically 13th Feb onwards, so during the CL run we played 12 PL games and won only 3, losing 7, gaining 11 points from 36, or 0.9 points per game (relegation form).

People bring it up alot (wheres Amadeus or whatever his name is) like Pochettino was some kind of Fergie-Pep lovechild, and that he was sacked unjustly, but the reality is that you can be awful and get to a cup final in any competition. The domestic form under Postecoglu is by no means any indication of how the Europa league will go.

I mean, our last manager to win a trophy here was arguably one of the worse we've had in the PL (Ramos), so it would be kind of ironic.
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To be fair, you finished 4th that season, and at the midpoint were 2nd, having won 15 from 19.

Poch had clearly lost if with no idea how to bring it back, but he was miles better than Ange.
 
Europa league or bust then for the man who always wins a trophy in his second season.

If he lasts that long that is.
 
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